Georgia - Georgia Senate OKs Guns on Public Transit

[whitney311]

Fox News is NOT a credible source IMO.

And for some reason, one of the safekid links doesn't work, but here are some stats from that same site too:

FIREARM DEATHS AND INJURIES

* In 2001, 72 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Children ages 10 to 14 accounted for 54 percent of these deaths.

* In 2002, more than 800 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional firearm-related injuries; 35 percent of these injuries were severe enough to require hospitalization.

* The unintentional firearm injury death rate among children ages 14 and under in the United States is nine times higher than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

* In 2002, nearly 8,500 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional non-powder gun-related injuries (e.g., BB guns, pellet guns).

http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm...

[DnaMonkey]

johnny taroo wrote:

Don't see any need to have weapons (guns) around
public transportion or restaurants. I have gun permit and own guns and I am against much of the gun control issues, but this is not the wild west any more and really can't understand allowing guns to be around public transportation and such!
Why would anyone (even with carry permit) want to have or need to have a gun around public places like that. Don't make much sense to me.

Have you ever rode a MARTA train late at night? I can take from your stunned silence the answer is no! public transportation and the such...you need to get out of the burbs sometime... oh and by the way, home invasions occur in the burbs too ya know. How about someone trying to rob you and your loved ones when you are going to dinner or a movie...WAKE UP... its a new world, not the wild west, the wild west wasnt even the wild west... i suggest you read a book sometime and find out. please in the future know what you are talking about before commenting.

[DnaMonkey]

whitney311 wrote:

Fox News is NOT a credible source IMO.
And for some reason, one of the safekid links doesn't work, but here are some stats from that same site too:
FIREARM DEATHS AND INJURIES
* In 2001, 72 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Children ages 10 to 14 accounted for 54 percent of these deaths.
* In 2002, more than 800 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional firearm-related injuries; 35 percent of these injuries were severe enough to require hospitalization.
* The unintentional firearm injury death rate among children ages 14 and under in the United States is nine times higher than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
* In 2002, nearly 8,500 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional non-powder gun-related injuries (e.g., BB guns, pellet guns).
http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm...

Have you looked at the number for childrens deaths from motor vehicles? Well you dont had a car over to a 6 year old, people should lock up their guns so little Jonny doesnt ruin the carpet. or would you like us to outlaw motor vehicles...because thats what you are saying, that statistics say it all....Just look at the motor vehicle deaths for children and then come back and comment...(statistics are a crutch for the uninformed)

[whitney311]

DnaMonkey wrote:

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Have you ever rode a MARTA train late at night? I can take from your stunned silence the answer is no! public transportation and the such...you need to get out of the burbs sometime... oh and by the way, home invasions occur in the burbs too ya know. How about someone trying to rob you and your loved ones when you are going to dinner or a movie...WAKE UP... its a new world, not the wild west, the wild west wasnt even the wild west... i suggest you read a book sometime and find out. please in the future know what you are talking about before commenting.

So you tell me please just how do all those people in New York get around without carrying guns on their public transit system?

And I have left suburbia, and their is nothing to be afraid of, I have rode Marta in atlanta at night, and I am not even that familiar with it, and been perfectly fine and safe. I think over paranoid people carrying guns on ANY PTS is just asking for accidental shootings to occur, i.e.:

Gun Totin' Honky: "I saw a black guy get on the bus and he reached for his pocket, I thought he was getting a gun, so I shot him!"

But really the guy was answering his phone...if it has happened yet, it will soon.

And unless you keep your guns unlocked and loaded buddy, I doubt you would have time to get to them in case of a home invasion.

But good to know that you are so frightened that you feel you have to carry "protection" just to ride on a PTS that millions of people ride all across the USA without guns just fine. It must be hard living in so much fear that you need to carry a gun to live. I really pity you. I feel I can go practically anywhere and be safe, and I have been my entire life and live it care free. That gun must weigh a lot, because I can see how its drug you into a fearful and terribly place.

Oh, and obviously I looked at the stats of motor injury death, I posted it. But you are not taking time to really think about why those numbers are so high...practically every family owns 2 cars, and everyone, on a daily basis is riding in a car. But not every home has a gun, and not one that they touch everyday, that alone can account for statistical range differences.

And you can say what you want, but I showed you REAL DATA that shows that instead of being used for protection, you are more likely to be shot by a gun. But, that at least gives me piece of mind, that these gun toters can at least remove themselves from the gene pool.

[SeaBass]

TedKennedysTumor wrote:

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So Georgia joined the 34 other Redneck States that have similar laws. Guess that make Rednecks a majority and you a gerbil packing minority

lmao. Excellent.

[Pappa]

whitney311 wrote:

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I would like to agree that guns don't kill people, people kill people, but if that were true, the US wouldn't have the highest death rate by gun in the WORLD.

None of the guns killed by itself, champ.

[whitney311]

Pappa wrote:

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None of the guns killed by itself, champ.

Those people would not be killing so easily if they didn't have a weapon created for mass murder in their hands. Guns kill people by the design in which they are intended to be put to use.

And since we all need such "protection" why don't we step it up to grenade launchers and switch to driving tanks? Surely we will all be safe then!

[SeaBass]

whitney311 wrote:

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Those people would not be killing so easily if they didn't have a weapon created for mass murder in their hands. Guns kill people by the design in which they are intended to be put to use.
And since we all need such "protection" why don't we step it up to grenade launchers and switch to driving tanks? Surely we will all be safe then!

Whitney, if we could snap our fingers and make all guns go away then perhaps I could understand yours and the anti-gun crowd's argument. Unfortunately, that can never happen. You can NEVER get rid of all the guns. NEVER. You can make possession of a gun subject to the death penalty and people will dig holes in the ground and hide their guns. Nothing will keep people of this country from exercising their rights nor should anything interfere with those rights. Gun control is as failed an ideology as the war on drugs.

Do you understand that criminals will always do what they must to make you a victim? If it's not guns, it'll be knives. If it's not knives, it'll be clubs. Criminals have the will to break the law and will do so regardless of the consequences...if the reward for committing an act is greater than the risk of punishment, nothing will stop that criminal from doing what he/she wants.

Gun control is nothing but victim disarmament. This may shock you but thugs and other lowlifes already carry guns and knives on public transportation, restaurants, etc. Keeping a lawful gun owner from keeping a firearm in his possession is simply sending criminals a message of where to find their prey.

Unless you plan to have a policeman in every bus, every train, and every restaurant, you can't possibly protect everyone all the time. Remember: When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[whitney311]

SeaBass wrote:

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Whitney, if we could snap our fingers and make all guns go away then perhaps I could understand yours and the anti-gun crowd's argument. Unfortunately, that can never happen. You can NEVER get rid of all the guns. NEVER. You can make possession of a gun subject to the death penalty and people will dig holes in the ground and hide their guns. Nothing will keep people of this country from exercising their rights nor should anything interfere with those rights. Gun control is as failed an ideology as the war on drugs.
Do you understand that criminals will always do what they must to make you a victim? If it's not guns, it'll be knives. If it's not knives, it'll be clubs. Criminals have the will to break the law and will do so regardless of the consequences...if the reward for committing an act is greater than the risk of punishment, nothing will stop that criminal from doing what he/she wants.
Gun control is nothing but victim disarmament. This may shock you but thugs and other lowlifes already carry guns and knives on public transportation, restaurants, etc. Keeping a lawful gun owner from keeping a firearm in his possession is simply sending criminals a message of where to find their prey.
Unless you plan to have a policeman in every bus, every train, and every restaurant, you can't possibly protect everyone all the time. Remember: When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

But, with all guns being illegal, it makes it easy for any officer or person to know when they are dealing with a criminal.

So many murders occur SOLELY because the person has access to a gun, where as, if the person had to commit the crime with a knife or club persay, they might be deterred. The ease at which a gun can be used to murder, and the thoughtlessness that goes into it, makes it very dangerous for the general population in my opinion. I wonder how many victims of home invasions and murders ARE gun owners, who guns never even had the chance to protect. Whether you choose to believe this or not, I have posted links to the stats, your gun is less likely to protect you, than it is to protect you. Having a gun does not make you safe. If you are dead asleep at night, and someone kicks down your door and is in your house in less than a minute, do you really think you will have time to get your gun? Unless you sleep with it under your pillow, I doubt it. If you are being carjacked with a gun to your face, are you going to hand over your wallet, or reach for your gun? I would gladly give them the wallet. I would like to see a number for the number of crimes that were deterred by guns.

Then, there is also the case that occurred recently here in Texas, where an old man caught two people stealing from his neighbors home, and called the cops, only to shoot them before the cops got there. His life was not in real danger, and IMO, they did not deserve to be gunned down for theft. If the old man would have stayed inside like the 911 operate suggested, they would be facing burglary charges, instead of being murdered. Sure, what they were doing was wrong, but does that make what Joe Horn did right? Not to me at least.

And since you compare gun control to the war on drugs, do you vote pro legalization for drugs?

[Plant Lady]

repost:

Have you ever been exposed the 5 'p's?
Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance.

Do you put on your clothes before you leave home?
Why? To protect yourself , yes? Ultimately from the elements that we face, rain, sun, cold, heat, sexual psychology.(ie-social mores, values and ethics) Why is protecting yourself from the ravages of others any different?

Do you think the 5 woman shopping at an upscale mall ever thought they would be killed while enjoying a day out?

Do you think the young lady in Georgia hiking with her dog on govt park land thought she would be attacked and killed by a serial killer?

[Plant Lady]

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Let me ask you a question. Do you think that if some magical moment occurred that rid the world of all guns, there would be no more victims of aggression and tyranny in the world? Read the Bible. Read history before explosives. You would rather those that are weaker have no way of leveling the field? You would rather a female submit to the stronger male and take what is dished out? You would rather use swords and long bows for defense? How about even further back to throwing stones at one another?

Humans are aggressive. Taking guns away will not magically take away aggression. Look at England when they banned guns, and now they are faced with aggression by samuri sword, so now they ban samuri swords.

You can't ban aggression. You can suppress aggression with societal laws, but it is a very thin veneer. Look at the psychological chaos that followed the Katrina catastrophe.

I go out the door to go to work, to go play, to mow the lawn, to do the shopping, to visit friends and family. I carry a spare tire in my car. I have insurance. I have a fire extinguisher in my home. I don't have an 'expectation' of having to use those items. Carrying a gun is carrying a tool. I use a shovel to dig a hole, I use a gun to protect myself

[Plant Lady]

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I gave a lot of thought about the ethics of carrying a gun before making that decision. I think that Ayoob can state it much more eloquently than I on your issue of will I pull a gun on someone who merely bothers me.

"• What about the argument that people die in domestic arguments because a gun is within reach of an angry person? Certainly, those with uncontrollably violent tendencies should not own guns. When asked this question, I always respond with a question:“Could you pick up a gun and kill someone you love because they angered you?” If the answer is No, I reply,“Then how dare you imply that I, and everyone else, would be that unstable?” If the answer is Yes, I suggest they stop attempting to counsel well-adjusted people and immediately seek psychiatric counseling for their own self-admitted tendency toward acting out impulses of uncontrollable violence."

I am 'bothered' by people doing stupid things everyday, I have not shot anyone yet. Actually you will find that people who do carry a gun are much more 'thoughtful' about the consequences of pulling the trigger on anyone vs those who have not taken the time to insure their own safety.

The 'hotheads' are mostly NOT in compliance with the laws of the land. This would be why I carry my own...legally.I would rather die in the attempt at thwarting an attacker than live as a victim. I tried that one time and didn't care for it very much.

I invite you to check out Kennesaw GA: http://www.re nse.c om/general9/gunlaw .htm

[SeaBass]

whitney311 wrote:

But, with all guns being illegal, it makes it easy for any officer or person to know when they are dealing with a criminal.

That might be the case if every person carrying a gun wore them in a holster on their belts in plain site but they don’t. Criminals don’t care that police are looking for them but they do know that an unarmed citizen is easy prey. Making something illegal doesn’t make it go away.

So many murders occur SOLELY because the person has access to a gun, where as, if the person had to commit the crime with a knife or club persay, they might be deterred. The ease at which a gun can be used to murder, and the thoughtlessness that goes into it, makes it very dangerous for the general population in my opinion.

So you’re saying that because they have a gun they want to commit murder? As if the gun makes them want to kill? Someone who is ready to kill another human being doesn’t rely on the tool to decide their next course of action. This is truly a rhetorical statement with no scientific basis in fact. Take your statement above, replace the word “gun” with car, sword, axe, crossbow, etc. to see how ridiculous that really is. Once again, making something illegal doesn’t make it go away.

I wonder how many victims of home invasions and murders ARE gun owners, who guns never even had the chance to protect. Whether you choose to believe this or not, I have posted links to the stats, your gun is less likely to protect you, than it is to protect you. Having a gun does not make you safe.

For some people I’m sure this is correct. Simply having a gun and never training with it is like having a guitar and telling people you’re a musician….it doesn’t mean you can play. Statistics rarely differentiate between those who are skilled with a gun nor does do they address the possibility that a gun owner simply didn’t have access to his/her gun during a home invasion (car, office, etc.)….they simply rely on a simple question such “Are you a gun owner?”

If you are dead asleep at night, and someone kicks down your door and is in your house in less than a minute, do you really think you will have time to get your gun? Unless you sleep with it under your pillow, I doubt it.

If you’ve trained with it and prepared yourself for the possibility then “yes.” For those of us who take protecting our families seriously, simply having a gun is not enough….you have to know how to use it effectively. My wife was a former police officer and she’s trained with handguns, shotguns, and rifles. In the event of an emergency, I grab my Glock and she grabs the Mossberg.

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[SeaBass]

Continued...

If you are being carjacked with a gun to your face, are you going to hand over your wallet, or reach for your gun? I would gladly give them the wallet.

You assume that a carjacker is just going to steal your car or wallet. The truth is that a violent criminal may kidnap you, rape you, or shoot you anyway.

Since I was carjacked in the Moncrief area at gunpoint in 1996, I can tell you that I couldn’t possibly have had time to pull a weapon so I can’t disagree. Being in a vehicle is a poor tactical situation - the only defense for this situation is to be in a heightened state of alert and to be aware of everything surrounding your car. Now, when I go into an unsafe area or somewhere at night, I keep my gun next to my hand….if I see someone sketchy walking towards my car or possibly threatening me, I do what I can to leave the situation. Barring that, I keep my hand on the gun and increase my level of readiness and prepare to defend myself….I don’t show the gun or aim it but if I feel my life is in grave danger I will at least be ready fight back.

I would like to see a number for the number of crimes that were deterred by guns.

Somewhere between 108,000 and 2.5 million per year according to these early 1990’s studies.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.ht...

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/deternce.html

Then, there is also the case that occurred recently here in Texas, where an old man caught two people stealing from his neighbors home, and called the cops, only to shoot them before the cops got there. His life was not in real danger, and IMO, they did not deserve to be gunned down for theft. If the old man would have stayed inside like the 911 operate suggested, they would be facing burglary charges, instead of being murdered. Sure, what they were doing was wrong, but does that make what Joe Horn did right? Not to me at least.

I know this case and I have to agree with you….he used excessive force in my opinion. The courts, however, agreed with him and he was cleared of the charges. The man was scared for his life and was able to demonstrate that.

And since you compare gun control to the war on drugs, do you vote pro legalization for drugs?

Yes I do and I’m a registered Libertarian.

[DnaMonkey]

whitney311 wrote:

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So you tell me please just how do all those people in New York get around without carrying guns on their public transit system?
And I have left suburbia, and their is nothing to be afraid of, I have rode Marta in atlanta at night, and I am not even that familiar with it, and been perfectly fine and safe. I think over paranoid people carrying guns on ANY PTS is just asking for accidental shootings to occur, i.e.:
Gun Totin' Honky: "I saw a black guy get on the bus and he reached for his pocket, I thought he was getting a gun, so I shot him!"
But really the guy was answering his phone...if it has happened yet, it will soon.
And unless you keep your guns unlocked and loaded buddy, I doubt you would have time to get to them in case of a home invasion.
But good to know that you are so frightened that you feel you have to carry "protection" just to ride on a PTS that millions of people ride all across the USA without guns just fine. It must be hard living in so much fear that you need to carry a gun to live. I really pity you. I feel I can go practically anywhere and be safe, and I have been my entire life and live it care free. That gun must weigh a lot, because I can see how its drug you into a fearful and terribly place.
Oh, and obviously I looked at the stats of motor injury death, I posted it. But you are not taking time to really think about why those numbers are so high...practically every family owns 2 cars, and everyone, on a daily basis is riding in a car. But not every home has a gun, and not one that they touch everyday, that alone can account for statistical range differences.
And you can say what you want, but I showed you REAL DATA that shows that instead of being used for protection, you are more likely to be shot by a gun. But, that at least gives me piece of mind, that these gun toters can at least remove themselves from the gene pool.

" Gun totin HONKY" was then into to the sentence, com'on now, is that neccesary? because that is a perspective statement...I'm in support of lawful citizens and the right to arm themselves against criminals that prey upon the innocent. I am 100 percent for gun safety, just like being safe with a chainsaw, or a car or any dangerous item we have around us every day. I even propose that before you could could have a conceal carry permit you should have to have mandatory gun safety and handling classes to include scenarios so that a person would know when it is appropriate to use a weapon of that nature in the force contineum, but that is not going to happen, we have what we have.
Im glad that you feel that you are safe, I have worked the streets of Atlanta as a public safety officer and can tell you point blank they are not safe, the city of Atl. doesnt want you to know that because that will affect tourism, conventions ect. but ask anyone who has worked the streets and public transport we speak of the same question, "Is it safe?" and you will probably get the same answer...NO

[DnaMonkey]

Plant Lady wrote:

repost:
Have you ever been exposed the 5 'p's?
Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance.
Do you put on your clothes before you leave home?
Why? To protect yourself , yes? Ultimately from the elements that we face, rain, sun, cold, heat, sexual psychology.(ie-social mores, values and ethics) Why is protecting yourself from the ravages of others any different?
Do you think the 5 woman shopping at an upscale mall ever thought they would be killed while enjoying a day out?
Do you think the young lady in Georgia hiking with her dog on govt park land thought she would be attacked and killed by a serial killer?

EXCELLENT PLANT LADY LOVED THE EXAMPLES!!
WELL PUT!!

[DnaMonkey]

whitney311 wrote:

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But, with all guns being illegal, it makes it easy for any officer or person to know when they are dealing with a criminal.
So many murders occur SOLELY because the person has access to a gun, where as, if the person had to commit the crime with a knife or club persay, they might be deterred. The ease at which a gun can be used to murder, and the thoughtlessness that goes into it, makes it very dangerous for the general population in my opinion. I wonder how many victims of home invasions and murders ARE gun owners, who guns never even had the chance to protect. Whether you choose to believe this or not, I have posted links to the stats, your gun is less likely to protect you, than it is to protect you. Having a gun does not make you safe. If you are dead asleep at night, and someone kicks down your door and is in your house in less than a minute, do you really think you will have time to get your gun? Unless you sleep with it under your pillow, I doubt it. If you are being carjacked with a gun to your face, are you going to hand over your wallet, or reach for your gun? I would gladly give them the wallet. I would like to see a number for the number of crimes that were deterred by guns.
Then, there is also the case that occurred recently here in Texas, where an old man caught two people stealing from his neighbors home, and called the cops, only to shoot them before the cops got there. His life was not in real danger, and IMO, they did not deserve to be gunned down for theft. If the old man would have stayed inside like the 911 operate suggested, they would be facing burglary charges, instead of being murdered. Sure, what they were doing was wrong, but does that make what Joe Horn did right? Not to me at least.
And since you compare gun control to the war on drugs, do you vote pro legalization for drugs?

Your example from Texas about the old man, is a good reason people need some sort of training to handle those situations. Most police dont shoot people like that because they are TRAINED.

[DnaMonkey]

High School Mom wrote:

We still have so many stupid people in this world and most of them we elect into office. For all of you who agree with this new gun law, hopefully you will be the stupid one and shoot yourself in the foot. Get a life.

Alert High school Mom, if you have a kid in high school, bet ya that there are guns in his school too. Now dont go thinking I advocate guns in schools, but I do advocate armed police in schools.

[DnaMonkey]

TedKennedysTumor wrote:

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So Georgia joined the 34 other Redneck States that have similar laws. Guess that make Rednecks a majority and you a gerbil packing minority

Ted you Tumor totting maniac, I just spit coffe all over my monitor...lol OMG

[DnaMonkey]

whitney311 wrote:

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Who is they? The trash that fills up the all those hillbilly trailer parks? I know that they are all on welfare, and just want to sit inside, watching maury, doing meth, getting knocked up and stealing cable - stupid white trash honkies holding the state down!

There is that HONKIE term again Whitey311, Im starting to get the feeling that you may not be white...Just a wild guess on this forum...If im wrong I'll buy you a free day at the gun range, and you can come to know the fun of sport shooting. but my money is safe I believe...Well Whitey311??