Christians are leaving "so called" churches!

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Kevin

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Sep 9, 2013
 
Christian believers are suspending going to church and switching to house meetings instead. Their reasons vary, but it is safe to say that all of them are tired of being programmed by a solo speaker professional elitist who downloads their spiritual food week after week.

I was driven to write a few words about this subject because of a piece that appeared in a past issue of Newsweek. Lisa Miller says in Finding Spirituality at Home,[Believers] mistrust authority and institutional hierarchy. This, according to her, seems to be the principal reason so many are abandoning the big churches in favor of house meetings commonly called house churches (a term I dislike). And some of the big churches are hurting. They are not hurting in spirit, but in the pocketbook!

I agree with Ms. Millerís diagnosis that it is mainly because of mistrust of authority and institutional hierarchy that so many are walking away from institutional religion and the big churches. There are other reasons as well.
Believers are sick of meaningless liturgy, stand, sit, bow, sing, contribute. These rituals, rites, and formalities are totally empty of any coherent and edifying message, and they do nothing but breed disheartened believers. Truth-seeking believers long for a family-like atmosphere where everyone is free and encouraged to verbalize, share, mutually participate, and where no one is dressed up like heís on his way to a Halloween party.
Believers are finally recognizing that once they formally place their membership with a church or denomination, they get caught up in all of their projects and programs. Many have begun to realize that the Christian community has moved from compassion to project. As a result, she has lost her anchor.
Most believers who are walking away from established churches are aware that Satan is shouting Hallelujah when 85-percent of church contributions is squandered on materialistic projects and programs and only 15-percent go to support evangelism and to alleviate the needs of the destitute. These were the only two undertakings the early believers contributed their money to evangelism and alleviating the poverty of the destitute.
Believers are also becoming more aware that church conversion, as opposed to heart conversion, is not the way of salvation. Religion and church have polluted the stream flowing from the river of life. On a personal note, I ceased long ago trying to convert anyone to any of the modern-day religions or to any of the numerous sects. I now point them in the direction of Jesus only, because 2000 years ago there were no church sects for believers to join. They identified themselves with other believers of a common cause, thus forming Christian congregations or communities. None of the early believers were afflicted with mad church disease. And none were church addicts.
As the apostles and first believers were not Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Mormons, Catholics, or associated with any of the other sects that sprinkle our current partisan landscape, recovering church addicts are also free of these schisms. These religious parties did not exist in the apostlesí time. Therefore recovering church addicts will not be formally aligned with any of these except to work within for reform.
If Jesus were on earth in the flesh today, Iím confident He would view our present-day religious institutions as He viewed those of His time. He worked among partisan systems for reform while not joining any of them. And so it is with recovering church addicts work within and among partisan groups, whenever possible, without subscribing to any of them.

So may house meetings increase! And may the systems that enslaved believers for centuries decrease and finally self-abort. And to God be the glory.
Observer

Jacksonville, FL

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Sep 10, 2013
 
I understand why people want to escape organized religion. Those are man made rules, and not God made. Perhaps smaller groups where the plate isn't being passed constantly will allow people to focus on what is truly important.
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Sep 10, 2013
 

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Anti-church --- it's no-small-thing that many nominally Christian/Catholic churches have become vocal pimps for agenda-driven lib.com atheist DemoRat policy.
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I understand why people want to escape organized religion. Those are man made rules, and not God made. Perhaps smaller groups where the plate isn't being passed constantly will allow people to focus on what is truly important.
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Anti-church --- it's no-small-thing that many nominally Christian/Catholic churches have become vocal pimps for agenda-driven lib.com atheist DemoRat policy.
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Actual its conservatives that are vocal pimps for the christian church.. I can give you a local example.. First baptist church downtown Jacksonville.

I have another fact for you noshellswill... There is more God and wisdom in my house, then you will find in any church..
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There is more God and wisdom in my house, then you will find in any church..
An absolute falsehood.
King of wisdom

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Sep 11, 2013
 
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An absolute falsehood.
Why?

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The only thing in the beginning of Christianity was HOUSE CHURCHES.
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King of wisdom wrote:
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Why?
You don't exhibit any of that, yet you're speaking in absolute terms. I'm not pro church myself, but what you've stated is a falsehood. You have anger issues.
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Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
The only thing in the beginning of Christianity was HOUSE CHURCHES.
True.
King of wisdom

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You don't exhibit any of that, yet you're speaking in absolute terms. I'm not pro church myself, but what you've stated is a falsehood. You have anger issues.
Im not the one with the anger isues.. But I do get others angry at me from what I post in the forum... And you have seen it..

So what gives you the right to judge my house when it comes to God and wisdom, when you no nothing of the church?

You want to talk about anger?.. Keep in mind that the christian God was so angry, that he committed genocide on humanity with the great flood many years back.. You also need to keep in mind that organized religion is the root of most hatred and anger in the world today..
Jeremiah Bingham

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Sep 12, 2013
 
Where in the bible is the "Pope" authorized to lead the church?
noshellswill

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Sep 12, 2013
 
We won't even talk about "Peter you're the rock and upon this rock I ..."

Instead ... the historical records show the bishops of Rome, Alexandria, Carthage and Antioch were given "place" among equals. Look it up! In **that** sense the Popes authorization comes from the "Spirit" living within the Church itself.

But, might just as well admit there's a real problem with early Christian documentation.
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Where in the bible is the "Pope" authorized to lead the church?
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Im not the one with the anger isues.. But I do get others angry at me from what I post in the forum... And you have seen it..
So what gives you the right to judge my house when it comes to God and wisdom, when you no nothing of the church?
You want to talk about anger?.. Keep in mind that the christian God was so angry, that he committed genocide on humanity with the great flood many years back.. You also need to keep in mind that organized religion is the root of most hatred and anger in the world today..
You are also in denial.

You lack the ability to have differing opinions with people on a blog. A basic really. You can't do that without calling names, cursing, making threats, seeking their contact information, wanting to "meet them" in person, etc. It is foolishness and a reflection of the inner you not anyone else.

It isn't a matter of casting judgement that leads me to this conclusion. It is simply observing your behavior.

Any valid comments you have are lost along with your credibility because of your anger issues. Figure out what went wrong or continues to go wrong in your own life, and you can work on those issues. God can meet you there, whether it is in your house or a sactuary.
King of wisdom

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You lack the ability to have differing opinions with people on a blog. A basic really. You can't do that without calling names, cursing, making threats, seeking their contact information, wanting to "meet them" in person, etc.
I have never threatened anyone in the forum, but others that post here have threatened me.. Some have even wished I would catch aids and die..

The only one I wanted to meet in person was Toaster, to play guitar with at a public park.. And if you dont like my opinions just challenge them, or leave them alone.. Just because I have superior debating skills then you do, dont attack the first amendment of the US constitution by dictating as to how others should express their opinion, it makes you look like a coward..

Your anger is showing, and your credibility is shot..
King of wisdom

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Sep 14, 2013
 
I almost forgot..

I did invite Selecia to come over my house in the wee hours of the night for a walk on the wildside.. But I was just joking because I know she is gay.. And there is nothing wrong with that because the way I see it, gayality is Gods form of birth control..

If gays want to adapt kids, then that a good thing .. But if they want to artificial or partially artificial give birth. I consider that to go against Gods will, and is an abomination in the eyes of God..
King of wisdom

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Sep 15, 2013
 
Now back to the topic..

I believe that more folks are leaving the christian church is because they are realizing that christianity is nothing more then bullcrap, and that they dont want to be slaves of the jews..

Have any of you noticed that your political leaders put the salvation of Israel ahead of anything else.. Obama even said that US support for Israel is unshakeable.

Keep in mind folks that "unshakeable".. is a strong word when it comes to commitment... It means that nothing stand is the way when it comes to protecting Israel, including sacrificing the blood of americans..

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Sep 16, 2013
 
fOR THE RECORD, MY CHURCH IS GROWING. wE ADDED A SERVICE.
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Sep 16, 2013
 
King of wisdom wrote:
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I have never threatened anyone in the forum, but others that post here have threatened me.. Some have even wished I would catch aids and die..
You mean this thread not this forum. You've routinely placed your unresolved anger on display in attacking others with a differing opinion. With regard to mean-spirited comments directed at you: two wrong don't make a right. That doesn't justify your threats and attacks in this forum. Professional help could transform your life.
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Sep 16, 2013
 
KOW is the kind of bitter scum that sprays automatic weapons fire on innocents because someone had stolen his red stapler. KOW and noshellswill are 2 sides of the same whackjob coin, whether they admit it or not.
King of wisdom

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Sep 16, 2013
 
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KOW is the kind of bitter scum that sprays automatic weapons fire on innocents because someone had stolen his red stapler. KOW and noshellswill are 2 sides of the same whackjob coin, whether they admit it or not.
THATS NOT TRUE!!.. You got me so mad Im shaking so hard my beer is foaming out of the can..

I am much more intellectually superior then noshellswill will ever be ...

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