the verdict rally.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#23 Jul 15, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>We agree? Unreal.
There is a first time for everything, Selecia...

Maybe we could get naked together in the wee hours of the night sometime..

Take a walk on the wildside with dolander and you wont regret it..

Any time any place...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#24 Jul 15, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a first time for everything, Selecia...
Maybe we could get naked together in the wee hours of the night sometime..
Take a walk on the wildside with dolander and you wont regret it..
Any time any place...
Thanks for the offer. I can say that I haven't been asked until now...so thanks.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#25 Jul 16, 2013
Bantu crimes: Perhaps not too evil ... just too stupid to function in a Western teckno culture. Mean IQ=80 vs mean IQ=110 makes lots of difference. I believe many jungle Neoliths are quite resourceful & law-abiding in their own way.

**NB** Have seen early 20-th century films of rainforest pigmys building a suspension bridge over croc-infested river. They did it on cleverness, tribal discipline and guts ... using stone axes and vines. Nice design, actually and done in a day!

In modern America similar Bantu are penned-up in big-city prisons (public housing), fed and clothed on-the-dole like slaves ... they are slaves to bleeding hearts & cosmopolitan lib.com vote-herders. Better they be returned to their natural environs to make way as best they can. Some would ... G*d help us all.
good riddance wrote:
We should have a national conversation about the black predisposition to criminallity and violence.Oh wait thats racist and doesnt fit the liberal agenda.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#26 Jul 16, 2013
The bottom line here is that self defense laws should not be applied to anyone that is the aggressor, such a zimmerman when he stalked and killed that kid that was doing nothing wrong...

The white republican lead Florida legislature is the blame for letting this happen.. They make the laws..

If anyone want to toss some rocks or bombs, toss it at them..

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Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#27 Jul 17, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
The bottom line here is that self defense laws should not be applied to anyone that is the aggressor, such a zimmerman when he stalked and killed that kid that was doing nothing wrong...
The white republican lead Florida legislature is the blame for letting this happen.. They make the laws..
If anyone want to toss some rocks or bombs, toss it at them..
Dolander, sounds like you have some information that no one else on the plant has. You know what happened from the time Zimmerman exited his vehicle until when someone took the first offensive action.

Based on what we know today and only because we can look back at what happened and not at what is going to happen, as it turns out this was a tragedy. What happens if on that rainy February 2012 night Mr. Martin stops when Mr. Zimmerman approaches and says what’s your issue with following me and they both realize that neither is a treat? Both of them would still be just obscure people in which one would still be alive and the other not screwed for the rest of his life. I do not know about you dolander but, in the neighborhood to which I live people look out for others and if a car or someone is wondering around that no one recognizes we will approach and ask who they are.

Now granted rarely do you see someone walking in the rain at night, so yes, that would be considered suspicious and out of the norm.

Again dolander, your neighborhood may be different, how you react may be different, I am also assuming that you like Mr. Sharpton have some powers to determine if someone is armed or unarmed before taking an action.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#28 Jul 17, 2013
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
<quoted text>

Now granted rarely do you see someone walking in the rain at night, so yes, that would be considered suspicious and out of the norm.
There is nothing suspicious about walking in the rain.. If you want to go from point a to point b you do it anyway that you can, even if it means walking in the rain and I see people do it all the time, even riding bicycles and motorcycles in the rain ...

Let me ask you this.. If you were being stalked by someone bigger then you and he grabs you by the arm or steps in front of you what would your first reaction be... I would punch the guy in the face as hard as I could and kick in his head if I got him on the ground..

I stand by what I said.. The white republican led Florida legislature is responsible for letting a stalking murderer go free..
They are the ones that need to be targeted...

This law gives anyone the right to harass, spit on, grab or slap anyone that they want, and if you fight back they can shoot you dead..

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#29 Jul 17, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing suspicious about walking in the rain.. If you want to go from point a to point b you do it anyway that you can, even if it means walking in the rain and I see people do it all the time, even riding bicycles and motorcycles in the rain ...
Let me ask you this.. If you were being stalked by someone bigger then you and he grabs you by the arm or steps in front of you what would your first reaction be... I would punch the guy in the face as hard as I could and kick in his head if I got him on the ground..
I stand by what I said.. The white republican led Florida legislature is responsible for letting a stalking murderer go free..
They are the ones that need to be targeted...
This law gives anyone the right to harass, spit on, grab or slap anyone that they want, and if you fight back they can shoot you dead..
AMEN! You got this one to a T!

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#30 Jul 18, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing suspicious about walking in the rain.. If you want to go from point a to point b you do it anyway that you can, even if it means walking in the rain and I see people do it all the time, even riding bicycles and motorcycles in the rain ...
Let me ask you this.. If you were being stalked by someone bigger then you and he grabs you by the arm or steps in front of you what would your first reaction be... I would punch the guy in the face as hard as I could and kick in his head if I got him on the ground..
I stand by what I said.. The white republican led Florida legislature is responsible for letting a stalking murderer go free..
They are the ones that need to be targeted...
This law gives anyone the right to harass, spit on, grab or slap anyone that they want, and if you fight back they can shoot you dead..
dolander, might I suggest you read to the “Stand your ground Law”, granted you would ignore what it states anyway, you have proven that many times, and no one here would want you to let “real” facts get in the way of dolander perceived facts.
Why do you believe that Mr. Zimmerman DID NOT invoke “Stand your Ground” in his case, very simple he would have lost. So what is your point here?
I do believe it is somewhat rhetorical that the Stand Your Ground was needed in the first place, why not just allow responsible self-defense, which by the way was Mr. Zimmerman defense, Yes it was Self-Defense and not Stand Your Ground, I know Breaking NEWS!
The case came down to Self Defense and the evidence was not conclusive, I understand that this is beyond your comprehension just like it is for the News Media and the Race Masters.

PS.
dolander, since I respect your time I have, in the next post, copied and pasted the Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” Statue so you do not have to find it.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#31 Jul 18, 2013
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.013&#8195;Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1)&#8195;A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b)&#8195;The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2)&#8195;The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b)&#8195;The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c)&#8195;The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3)&#8195;A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4)&#8195;A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5)&#8195;As used in this section, the term:
(a)&#8195;“Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b)&#8195;“Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c)&#8195;“Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#32 Jul 18, 2013
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
<quoted text>

Why do you believe that Mr. Zimmerman DID NOT invoke “Stand your Ground
Because he didn't need to.. His defense team used the stand your ground law to get him off anyway without invoking it.. Did you even read what you cut and pasted? The stand your ground law runs hand in hand with self defense laws..

His defense team also said the they would invoke the stand your ground law if he faces a civil lawsuit..

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#33 Jul 18, 2013
Ok dolander, have a seat class is in session.
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
His defense team used the stand your ground law to get him off anyway without invoking it.
Incorrect sir.
In the State of Florida if one chooses to petition the court for “Stand your Ground” a Judge and on a Judge hears the evidence and rules to allow “Stand your Ground”, which means the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest. So if Mr. Zimmerman had petition the court for “Stand your Ground” and won there would have been NO trail. However, The Law did NOT apply to this case and that is why there was a trail. Also if the Judge hears a petition to the court for “Stand your Ground” and rules NO, then there is a trail by juror.
Do you understand dolander?
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
His defense team also said the they would invoke the stand your ground law if he faces a civil lawsuit..
That is correct and the odds are heavily in Mr. Zimmerman’s favor that there will be no Civil Trail. The Judge will review the “FACTS” and the lawsuit will more than likely be thrown out.

Dolander, stop sleeping in class…….

Continued in next post…………………

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#34 Jul 18, 2013
………………….. Continued
Here is some free knowledge dolander.
The Castle doctrine:
More than half of the states in the United States have adopted the Castle doctrine, stating that a person has no duty to retreat when their home is attacked. Some states go a step further, removing the duty of retreat from other locations. "Stand Your Ground", "Line in the Sand" or "No Duty to Retreat" laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be. Other restrictions may still exist; such as when in public, a person must be carrying firearms in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#35 Jul 18, 2013
Once Mr. Martin threw the first punch, which is what the Juror had to believe for the Not Guilty by Self-Defense then from that punch Mr. Zimmerman BY LAW had "No Duty to Retreat"

Schools out you can go now.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#36 Jul 18, 2013
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Ok dolander, have a seat class is in session.
<quoted text>
Incorrect sir.
The jury was instructed to use the stand your ground law in their deliberations.

Try again, my friend..
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#37 Jul 18, 2013
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Once Mr. Martin threw the first punch, which is what the Juror had to believe for the Not Guilty by Self-Defense then from that punch Mr. Zimmerman BY LAW had "No Duty to Retreat"
Schools out you can go now.
Why did Martin throw the first punch? Were you there?

We all know that zimmerman wanted to be an authority cop wannabe figure.. So what better way then stalking and harassing a kid to satisfy his ego?

zimmerman was nothing more then a bully with a gun when he killed that kid..

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#38 Jul 18, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
The jury was instructed to use the stand your ground law in their deliberations.
Try again, my friend..
Ring…..Ring…..Ring…School is back is session for dolander who was sleeping in class again.
Below is the section (did not paste all of it) to which you must be refereeing since the word “Stand” is only mentioned twice in the jury instructions and the other time is in reference to taking the witness stand. The jury instructions stated that justifiable use of deadly force (AKA SELF DEFENCE) that Mr. Zimmerman had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force.
Dolander, this is not in reference to the Stand your ground Law, I know this is difficult dolander but please read and stop listening to the media.

School is over, but it appears dolander left early again………
Justifiable use of deadly force
An issue in this case is whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It is a defense to the crime of Second Degree Murder, and the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force.
“Deadly force” means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm.
A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.
In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.
If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.
However, if from the evidence you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was not justified in the use of deadly force, you should find him guilty if all the elements of the charge have been proved.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#39 Jul 18, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did Martin throw the first punch? Were you there?
We all know that zimmerman wanted to be an authority cop wannabe figure.. So what better way then stalking and harassing a kid to satisfy his ego?
zimmerman was nothing more then a bully with a gun when he killed that kid..
NOPE! And neither were you! So do you have a point?

Ok Mr. bullets and bombs, what would you have done?
Here are the rules you must use to answer this question:
The person walking around your house is between 5’ 11” and 6’ 1” Tall and weighs between 155 and 170
You cannot check I.D.
You cannot frisk for weapons.
You cannot use a hand held metal detector.
You cannot turn the lights on.

What so do you do Mr. bullets and bombs?
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#40 Jul 18, 2013
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
<quoted text>
Ring…..Ring…..Ring…School is back is session for dolander who was sleeping in class again.
Below is the section (did not paste all of it) to which you must be refereeing since the word “Stand” is only mentioned twice in the jury instructions and the other time is in reference to taking the witness stand.
Its obvious to me that you you do not know all the facts related to the case.. You are just running your mouth off and flooding the forum with long winded cut and paste jobs..

Zimmerman Juror Says Panel Considered Stand Your Ground In Deliberations:‘He Had A Right To Defend Himself’

Monday night, an anonymous juror said the panel that found George Zimmerman not guilty considered Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in its deliberations.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/15/2...

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#41 Jul 18, 2013
King of wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>
Its obvious to me that you you do not know all the facts related to the case.. You are just running your mouth off and flooding the forum with long winded cut and paste jobs.
That’s interesting I feel the same way about what your posting.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#42 Jul 18, 2013
Teacher...I HAVE A QUESTION!!! Why is it OK for GZ to get out of the car but Trayvon is supposed to retreat to his home?

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