(Wyoming) Lawmakers back gay marriage, union bills

Jan 15, 2013 Full story: www.jhnewsandguide.com 18

For the first time in his career, Jackson Republican Rep. Keith Gingery is backing a gay marriage bill.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Jan 15, 2013
I KNOW!!!!

I thought that had to be a typo as well.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#2 Jan 15, 2013
Too bad it didn't happen earlier for the poor star crossed lovers from Brokeback Mountain.

Isn't it amazing that these so called red states and tiny conservative towns, like the one in KENTUCKY for God's sake, are giving in to common sense and dignity for human rites, while a big diverse liberal place like California folded to the hateful oppressors? Hopefully, the injustice of the California disaster woke others up from their stupor.

I think this is going to be a battle of a thousand small cuts to make the final change for the stopping of DOMA.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Jan 15, 2013
It is worth remembering that Wyoming was the first state to allow women to vote, and was the first state to elect a woman as governor.

I'd be amazed if they acutually passed it into law, but you gotta appreciate the irony of it.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#4 Jan 15, 2013
Yet another turn of the dripping faucet handle. Whoda thunk?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#5 Jan 15, 2013
While I wouldn't have expected Wyoming (or any of those Northern Plain states) to pass marriage equality, it makes sense that Wyoming is the first. It's easier to have the conversations among a smaller group of people.

There are states as liberal as the New England states (caricatures notwithstanding), but the reason it happened here first is the small population. It's a lot easier to mobilize vocal opposition from a large population (like California), especially when people don't know their neighbors.

These bills never pass the first time they are introduced. I think it was the third legislature in New Hampshire that finally passed marriage equality. It's been kicking around Rhode Island for a long time.

This is very promising, nonetheless. It would be great to have a midwestern state whose legislature approved marriage. Now if we can just pick up a state in the deep south and the southwest. Of course, the southern states are too populous for a quiet, civil battle. I don't have to mention Baptist churches. But I could imagine Colorado going the whole way in a few years.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#6 Jan 15, 2013
When these Republicans "Come to Jeebus", take a little time and have a gander at how the post-census redistricting may be effecting their constituencies.

I'm not saying that some of them haven't grown a heart, but with redistricting and the necessary vote-trading in hard economic times, well ...

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#7 Jan 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
When these Republicans "Come to Jeebus", take a little time and have a gander at how the post-census redistricting may be effecting their constituencies.
I'm not saying that some of them haven't grown a heart, but with redistricting and the necessary vote-trading in hard economic times, well ...
You're probably correct in your assumption. They always seem to have some other reason than just simply "doing the right thing".

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8 Jan 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
When these Republicans "Come to Jeebus", take a little time and have a gander at how the post-census redistricting may be effecting their constituencies.
I'm not saying that some of them haven't grown a heart, but with redistricting and the necessary vote-trading in hard economic times, well ...
I doubt redistricting has anything to do with it. If anything, Republicans are doubling down on their fealty to Tea Party doctrine.

We see a nascent, wide-spread trend of Republicans supporting equality. If you look at the polls, we are making converts in every demographic--even Republicans.

Once we reach a critical mass, Republicans will feel safe to oppose the orthodoxy in larger and larger numbers.
SirAndrew

Honolulu, HI

#9 Jan 15, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
While I wouldn't have expected Wyoming (or any of those Northern Plain states) to pass marriage equality, it makes sense that Wyoming is the first. It's easier to have the conversations among a smaller group of people.
There are states as liberal as the New England states (caricatures notwithstanding), but the reason it happened here first is the small population. It's a lot easier to mobilize vocal opposition from a large population (like California), especially when people don't know their neighbors.
These bills never pass the first time they are introduced. I think it was the third legislature in New Hampshire that finally passed marriage equality. It's been kicking around Rhode Island for a long time.
This is very promising, nonetheless. It would be great to have a midwestern state whose legislature approved marriage. Now if we can just pick up a state in the deep south and the southwest. Of course, the southern states are too populous for a quiet, civil battle. I don't have to mention Baptist churches. But I could imagine Colorado going the whole way in a few years.
J

Doesn't Iowa count as a northern plains state? They've had marriage equality for some time.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Jan 15, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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I doubt redistricting has anything to do with it. If anything, Republicans are doubling down on their fealty to Tea Party doctrine.
We see a nascent, wide-spread trend of Republicans supporting equality. If you look at the polls, we are making converts in every demographic--even Republicans.
Once we reach a critical mass, Republicans will feel safe to oppose the orthodoxy in larger and larger numbers.
Redistricting AND reaction against the hijacking of their party by the teabaggers.

I'll take it wherever it comes from, but I thought we were trying to understand what is happening. Redrawn districts now are less one-party than they were, and with economic times hard, campaign contributions are down.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#21 Jan 15, 2013
SirAndrew wrote:
<quoted text>J
Doesn't Iowa count as a northern plains state? They've had marriage equality for some time.
Reread my post. I specified enacted by the legislature. But popular initiative would be fine, too.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#22 Jan 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Redistricting AND reaction against the hijacking of their party by the teabaggers.
I'll take it wherever it comes from, but I thought we were trying to understand what is happening. Redrawn districts now are less one-party than they were, and with economic times hard, campaign contributions are down.
This is the complete opposite of everything I've seen. Campaign contributions are especially out-of-control with even local school board elections now attracting nationwide attention from social interest groups.

How many billion spent on the 2012 election??????

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#25 Jan 15, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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This is the complete opposite of everything I've seen. Campaign contributions are especially out-of-control with even local school board elections now attracting nationwide attention from social interest groups.
How many billion spent on the 2012 election??????
Constitutent campaign contributions are down.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#26 Jan 16, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Constitutent campaign contributions are down.
Ah. Now that I'll agree with. Why give $100 when you just heard that some out-of-state group (representing unknown interests) just dropped $250,000 into the pot. And why help fund this barrage of uninformative bile of ads?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#27 Jan 16, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah. Now that I'll agree with. Why give $100 when you just heard that some out-of-state group (representing unknown interests) just dropped $250,000 into the pot. And why help fund this barrage of uninformative bile of ads?
yep.

Citizen's United was a great evil, followed closely by union busting and the creation of a permanent underclass of rent-serfs, kids who can't afford the finer "charter schools", and fortunes and trinkets built upon the backs of foreign near-slave labor.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#28 Jan 16, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
yep.
Citizen's United was a great evil, followed closely by union busting and the creation of a permanent underclass of rent-serfs, kids who can't afford the finer "charter schools", and fortunes and trinkets built upon the backs of foreign near-slave labor.
To bring this back to the topic at hand: the 99% still has the advantage of numbers. I contribute my time to political causes, since I know my money is more precious to me than to the political campaign.
That is how Maine won its marriage equality: Three years of individual participation. The outside groups expected to, once again, send their preachers to the pulpit and contaminate the airwaves with the same ads they've been recycling for a decade.
If we learned anything from the 2012 election, it should be that the 99% win when they organize. The other thing we learned is that plutocrats should keep their mouths shut or, if not, collect cell phones at the door.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#29 Jan 16, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Redistricting AND reaction against the hijacking of their party by the teabaggers.
I'll take it wherever it comes from, but I thought we were trying to understand what is happening. Redrawn districts now are less one-party than they were, and with economic times hard, campaign contributions are down.
Actually it's worse than ever.

In California there were only 3 competitive districts where the winner got less than 60% of the vote; in Texas it was only 1 district.

Overall less than 10% of the 435 Congressional districts are considered competitive, which is why on average 95% of seats never change parties in an election.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#30 Jan 16, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
To bring this back to the topic at hand: the 99% still has the advantage of numbers. I contribute my time to political causes, since I know my money is more precious to me than to the political campaign.
That is how Maine won its marriage equality: Three years of individual participation. The outside groups expected to, once again, send their preachers to the pulpit and contaminate the airwaves with the same ads they've been recycling for a decade.
If we learned anything from the 2012 election, it should be that the 99% win when they organize. The other thing we learned is that plutocrats should keep their mouths shut or, if not, collect cell phones at the door.
Yes.

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