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#1945 Jan 21, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Science FAIL!
http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg
http://youtu.be/ArSLNJNUEIM
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1946 Jan 21, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
I suppose we are at a stalemate. I don't think I can make you see that they deserve their civil rights just as much as you and I do. Your value system is stuck in the same age as when the bible was made. And I don't think that any amount of discussion will change that. "

What about God and what he says about being gay and how it affects the values of a good God fearing Christian family, what about their civil rights to live as a family as God has intended man to live. Do we just sit back and allow gay people to become recognized as normal when God says their not and do nothing about it, I don't think so. Sodom amd Gomorrah should refresh your mind on what God thinks of homosexual behaviour. Being gay is a sin which causes much harm to all in many different ways, this is why it's a sin. Why must gay people have rights when their life is not one approved of by God for very good reasons. Just because gay people have persuaded many to accept them certanly doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, it simply means they have protested and swayed the right people who are not God fearing people to allow them to have their way.
Your argument fails miserably on its face. What about this and what about that, give me a break! There is only a few variables that is different in a loving gay home than a loving straight home. And none of those variables equate to being an immoral person. It's funny you're gonna give me a morality lesson from the bibles stand point, yet it tells of god killing millions of people, advocates rape , slavery , sexism , torture , incest , etc. I'm willing to bet you will defend your god in saying that god can do what he wants and anything he does is morally sound.
I’m yet to find a place in scripture where it is said that God is unquestionable simply because He is superior in status.

God is love and justice. God can't do any wrong or evil because it's not part of his nature.
God is superior therefore he can do what he wants without being judged, because who are we to judge God? Objective morality exists. Since God is good incarnate then everything that god does or says is automatically the standard for objective morality.

A true objective standard of morality is one against which everyone and everything can be measured against. This includes god. But for god being judged against an objective standard, the standard must exist outside of that which is being measured. God shows us his own morality by telling us what's right and wrong. So we aren't judging god against human morality standards, we are judging him against his own standards.

Believers have simply arbitrarily defined "good" to mean "whatever god says is good". But why would that which god says be good? Because god is arbitrarily defined as all good. It's a circular argument based on arbitrary definitions. But if good is arbitrarily defined, it can't be objective.
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1947 Jan 21, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text>Who tells you that had to be created billions of years ago when no one knows anything about anything that old, especially when the bible says differently that he earth is approx 10,000 years old.. Either the bible is right or it's not, I believe the bible over man. The men who wrote the bible were men who were guided by divine intervention as what to put down and I think if God can create the heavens and the earth he can surely make sure his word, the bible gets to us with exactly what he wants us to know.
The bible gives no such reference of age of the earth. Hell it doesn't even give a date of Jesus's birth.
Anonymous

Jackson, TN

#1948 Jan 21, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Who tells you that had to be created billions of years ago when no one knows anything about anything that old, especially when the bible says differently that he earth is approx 10,000 years old.. Either the bible is right or it's not, I believe the bible over man. The men who wrote the bible were men who were guided by divine intervention as what to put down and I think if God can create the heavens and the earth he can surely make sure his word, the bible gets to us with exactly what he wants us to know.
Because we can analyze light coming from distant objects, and I have no idea how I could ever make you understand it. Its math. Its fact, there is no refuting how old the universe is, like myself and many before me have tried to tell you, I myself can go rent time on a large telescope and do the calculations of distant objects, purly based upon their spectra.

You cannot deny fact. The universe IS 13.7 billion years old. Tell a professor of Cosmology that it isn't, and he will laugh at you.

What do you have to say about facts like that?

Because really thats one of the main reasons that drove me away from the bible.
Anonymous

Jackson, TN

#1949 Jan 21, 2013
At least* 13.7 billion.
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1950 Jan 21, 2013
EvolutionMan wrote:
<quoted text>Because we can analyze light coming from distant objects, and I have no idea how I could ever make you understand it. Its math. Its fact, there is no refuting how old the universe is, like myself and many before me have tried to tell you, I myself can go rent time on a large telescope and do the calculations of distant objects, purly based upon their spectra.

You cannot deny fact. The universe IS 13.7 billion years old. Tell a professor of Cosmology that it isn't, and he will laugh at you.

What do you have to say about facts like that?

Because really thats one of the main reasons that drove me away from the bible.
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence can't be excepted. It would create a feeling that is very uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize , ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.

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#1951 Jan 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
Your argument fails miserably on its face. What about this and what about that, give me a break! There is only a few variables that is different in a loving gay home than a loving straight home. And none of those variables equate to being an immoral person. It's funny you're gonna give me a morality lesson from the bibles stand point, yet it tells of god killing millions of people, advocates rape , slavery , sexism , torture , incest , etc. I'm willing to bet you will defend your god in saying that god can do what he wants and anything he does is morally sound.
I’m yet to find a place in scripture where it is said that God is unquestionable simply because He is superior in status.
God is love and justice. God can't do any wrong or evil because it's not part of his nature.
God is superior therefore he can do what he wants without being judged, because who are we to judge God? Objective morality exists. Since God is good incarnate then everything that god does or says is automatically the standard for objective morality.
A true objective standard of morality is one against which everyone and everything can be measured against. This includes god. But for god being judged against an objective standard, the standard must exist outside of that which is being measured. God shows us his own morality by telling us what's right and wrong. So we aren't judging god against human morality standards, we are judging him against his own standards.
Believers have simply arbitrarily defined "good" to mean "whatever god says is good". But why would that which god says be good? Because god is arbitrarily defined as all good. It's a circular argument based on arbitrary definitions. But if good is arbitrarily defined, it can't be objective.[/QUOTE] One thng at a time, God did not create slavery, man did. God gave the israelites rules for them on being fair with their slaves,so slavery wasn't as bad as you think compared to other slaveries that we know of now. Just like slavery which you blame God for so are the others you mentioned like torture, sexism, incest and advocating rape are all just like slavery are made up to be something God did rather blaming man who caused all of these atrocities, as usual you haven't a clue on what your talking about as if you did you would know the truth just like slavery which you say God came up with slavery, read your bible and you'll see that he didn' he only made the rules concerning slaveries for the israelies who insisted on having slaves, so quit blaming God and start blaming man.

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#1952 Jan 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence can't be excepted. It would create a feeling that is very uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize , ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.[/QUOTE] That's what I see in you as you stand fast in the delusion science has caused many to be lost. 13.7 billion years is a farce made up by a conclusion based on a man's mathematcial blunder which only serves to impress those who are willing to accept this delusion.

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#1953 Jan 21, 2013
I would say 6-10 thousand years old as this genealogy says 6 thousand years old as the age of the earth, so your light years are like your dating machines, flawed.
Present to Jesus

2,000 years

Jesus to Abraham

2,000 years (55 generations)

Abraham to Adam

2,000 years (20 generations)
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1954 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence can't be excepted. It would create a feeling that is very uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize , ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief. "

That's what I see in you as you stand fast in the delusion science has caused many to be lost. 13.7 billion years is a farce made up by a conclusion based on a man's mathematcial blunder which only serves to impress those who are willing to accept this delusion.
Do you really believe that scientist just solely set out to deny a young earth with 13.7 aprox date? Don't you think many of those scientist that believe that are Christians to?

I don't hold a core belief system. A core belief system is something can't be altered with new evidence.
I am loyal to reason. And as a reasonable person I reserve the right to change to change my mind when presented with new evidence that alter my perspective.
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1955 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
I would say 6-10 thousand years old as this genealogy says 6 thousand years old as the age of the earth, so your light years are like your dating machines, flawed.
Present to Jesus

2,000 years

Jesus to Abraham

2,000 years (55 generations)

Abraham to Adam

2,000 years (20 generations)
What would it take for you to believe that the earth and cosmos are far older than 6-10 thousand years old?
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1956 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
Your argument fails miserably on its face. What about this and what about that, give me a break! There is only a few variables that is different in a loving gay home than a loving straight home. And none of those variables equate to being an immoral person. It's funny you're gonna give me a morality lesson from the bibles stand point, yet it tells of god killing millions of people, advocates rape , slavery , sexism , torture , incest , etc. I'm willing to bet you will defend your god in saying that god can do what he wants and anything he does is morally sound.
I’m yet to find a place in scripture where it is said that God is unquestionable simply because He is superior in status.
God is love and justice. God can't do any wrong or evil because it's not part of his nature.
God is superior therefore he can do what he wants without being judged, because who are we to judge God? Objective morality exists. Since God is good incarnate then everything that god does or says is automatically the standard for objective morality.
A true objective standard of morality is one against which everyone and everything can be measured against. This includes god. But for god being judged against an objective standard, the standard must exist outside of that which is being measured. God shows us his own morality by telling us what's right and wrong. So we aren't judging god against human morality standards, we are judging him against his own standards.
Believers have simply arbitrarily defined "good" to mean "whatever god says is good". But why would that which god says be good? Because god is arbitrarily defined as all good. It's a circular argument based on arbitrary definitions. But if good is arbitrarily defined, it can't be objective."

One thng at a time, God did not create slavery, man did. God gave the israelites rules for them on being fair with their slaves,so slavery wasn't as bad as you think compared to other slaveries that we know of now. Just like slavery which you blame God for so are the others you mentioned like torture, sexism, incest and advocating rape are all just like slavery are made up to be something God did rather blaming man who caused all of these atrocities, as usual you haven't a clue on what your talking about as if you did you would know the truth just like slavery which you say God came up with slavery, read your bible and you'll see that he didn' he only made the rules concerning slaveries for the israelies who insisted on having slaves, so quit blaming God and start blaming man.
I never wrote that god invented all f those things. What I wrote was the bible advocates them.
Slavery is wrong no matter how you want justify or rationalize it.

For you response of incest here's a link because there is far to much to write. http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestu...

Sexism is most definitely in the bible.
Ill put it this way, instead of quoting the bible like i usually would, ill tell you about my Pentecostal friend. He's a fundamentalist to the core. His views on women are like this. he thinks woman shouldn't have the right to vote. He thinks that woman shouldn't be able to hold an authority position over man as in a cop, judge , supervisor, military etc. He believes that woman shouldn't be allowed to speak in church. He thinks that woman are to be submissive to their husband. <(wouldn't work with my wife lol)
Where would he get these ideas from? The bible as he always quotes the damn thing when I argue woman being equal.

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#1957 Jan 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
I never wrote that god invented all f those things. What I wrote was the bible advocates them.
Slavery is wrong no matter how you want justify or rationalize it.
For you response of incest here's a link because there is far to much to write. http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestu...
Sexism is most definitely in the bible.
Ill put it this way, instead of quoting the bible like i usually would, ill tell you about my Pentecostal friend. He's a fundamentalist to the core. His views on women are like this. he thinks woman shouldn't have the right to vote. He thinks that woman shouldn't be able to hold an authority position over man as in a cop, judge , supervisor, military etc. He believes that woman shouldn't be allowed to speak in church. He thinks that woman are to be submissive to their husband. <(wouldn't work with my wife lol)
Where would he get these ideas from? The bible as he always quotes the damn thing when I argue woman being equal.
[/QUOTE] The bible doesn't advocate slavery as I explained to you it was the israelite choice on having slaves, not God. Now on incest, the only one that was necessary was the one in which Cain had to marry and remember man was in perfect genetic condition as this would of prevented any defects. God did make it a sin on incest if you would read your bible. The other 5 incest was man going against God as I said,incest was a sin. I would never tell my wife what she could or couldn't do.
Pentecostal religion is a bizarre false religion ,so I can see why your friend behaves as he does. So again stop blaming God . You just don't know God.

Since: Jul 10

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#1958 Jan 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
What would it take for you to believe that the earth and cosmos are far older than 6-10 thousand years old?[/QUOTE] God telling me different.
GOD

United States

#1959 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> God telling me different.
Hello my child, this is god. This might come as a shock but they are right. It is not like I am hiding the age from anyone. I have given you brains to figure it all out for yourselves. Would you please start using the one I gave you. That would be great, thanks.

The Main Man,
GOD
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1960 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
I never wrote that god invented all f those things. What I wrote was the bible advocates them.
Slavery is wrong no matter how you want justify or rationalize it.
For you response of incest here's a link because there is far to much to write. http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestu...
Sexism is most definitely in the bible.
Ill put it this way, instead of quoting the bible like i usually would, ill tell you about my Pentecostal friend. He's a fundamentalist to the core. His views on women are like this. he thinks woman shouldn't have the right to vote. He thinks that woman shouldn't be able to hold an authority position over man as in a cop, judge , supervisor, military etc. He believes that woman shouldn't be allowed to speak in church. He thinks that woman are to be submissive to their husband. <(wouldn't work with my wife lol)
Where would he get these ideas from? The bible as he always quotes the damn thing when I argue woman being equal.
"

The bible doesn't advocate slavery as I explained to you it was the israelite choice on having slaves, not God. Now on incest, the only one that was necessary was the one in which Cain had to marry and remember man was in perfect genetic condition as this would of prevented any defects. God did make it a sin on incest if you would read your bible. The other 5 incest was man going against God as I said,incest was a sin. I would never tell my wife what she could or couldn't do.
Pentecostal religion is a bizarre false religion ,so I can see why your friend behaves as he does. So again stop blaming God . You just don't know God.
Yes I know he made a sin.
Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father.(Deut. 27:22.)

And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter,... it is a wicked thing.(Lev. 20:17.)

ABRAHAM MARRIED HIS SISTER AND GOD BLESSED THE UNION.

And Abraham said,... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother.(Gen. 20:11, 12.)

And God said unto Abraham, as for Sarah thy wife,... I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her.(Gen. 17:16.)

So I guess you don't know your bible as well as you think.

As for the sexism.
Corinthians, 14:34-35: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Genesis 3:16: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.(1 Timothy 2:12)

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

I could go on but you get the point!
Mr.Blackstone

Cookeville, TN

#1961 Jan 22, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
[QUOTE who="Mr.Blackstone"] <quoted text>
What would it take for you to believe that the earth and cosmos are far older than 6-10 thousand years old? "

God telling me different.
Guess i need a Delorean and a flux capacitor
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1962 Jan 22, 2013
Tudor dad wrote:
<quoted text>
did you live it. my views a re clear. unfortunately tonight will be overcast. you missed your chance
You avoid the question - what are stars?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1963 Jan 22, 2013
Tudor dad wrote:
<quoted text>
all of them no atheist signatures appear
Source please - or did you make it up?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1964 Jan 22, 2013
oh wow2222 wrote:
As a member of the church of Christ, i myself am more liberal than others. I go to church to expand my knowledge and to discuss Bible studies with other Christians but I get my information directly from the Bible. I don't believe anyone on earth had the authority or right to judge. There is no way anyone can say that c of c is the only way to heaven....God makes that decision.
Your bible is an unreliable source of information. Try something else!

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