The Church of Christ is the only chur...
asking

Powell, OH

#1792 Jan 17, 2013
Quite wordy and eloquent, but my mind is already convinced of my beliefs and confident in my salvation. In the same way that all those posting will not convince you to become a follower of Christ, your posts will not cause me to relinquish my beliefs.

That said, my question pertains to the difference WftLord finds compelling in his chosen denomination. I would hope for responses from those worshiping in the CoC or CCCU to gain insight from their perspective. My questions are sincere in that regard and not for the purpose of argument because I have found arguing in this venue has rarely, if ever in my observation, caused those of differing opinions to change their mind. And that doesn't bother me, because that is not my respinsibily. Mine is only to live true to my beliefs and ensure my life makes a difference to those I hold dear.
Jacksonmane

Jackson, TN

#1793 Jan 17, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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Actually we are not off topic at all. The motion for debate was "The Church of Christ is the only church where you can be saved." The motion presented contains a premise, people require saving, and an assertion, that church X is the only church capable of fulfilling this need.
We object to the premise on the grounds that it is entirely unsubstantiated. Now Christians hate to have this glaring fault pointed out because until they can establish that "being saved" is necessary in the first place the discussion about which of the thousands of churches is the right choice is a moot point.
Attempting to argue which church is the right church to "be saved" is no different than arguing over Santa having high blood pressure, what shoe size big-foot wears, how fast angels fly, or how the tooth fairy manages to make enough money to afford all those teeth.
Now you come along and like every religious person you avoid addressing the underlying premise, just assuming a priori that the whole saving thing is legit. You accuse of taking the debate off topic and write us off as "having made our point" only to ignore that point entirely and move on to discussing the nonsensical part of the argument.
I'm sorry but no, can you or can you not substantiate the theistic assertion that humans are doomed to eternal torment by an omnipotent deity lest we surrender our reason and become thought slaves, accepting without question that a vicarious human sacrifice was required and made on our behalf 2000 years ago?
I wish I had more friends like you in Jackson.lol
Jacksonmane

Jackson, TN

#1794 Jan 17, 2013
asking wrote:
Quite wordy and eloquent, but my mind is already convinced of my beliefs and confident in my salvation. In the same way that all those posting will not convince you to become a follower of Christ, your posts will not cause me to relinquish my beliefs.
That said, my question pertains to the difference WftLord finds compelling in his chosen denomination. I would hope for responses from those worshiping in the CoC or CCCU to gain insight from their perspective. My questions are sincere in that regard and not for the purpose of argument because I have found arguing in this venue has rarely, if ever in my observation, caused those of differing opinions to change their mind. And that doesn't bother me, because that is not my respinsibily. Mine is only to live true to my beliefs and ensure my life makes a difference to those I hold dear.
Are you going to teach your own children the same from birth? If so, that is the problem, telling a developing child that they must worship this god or face eternal damnation.

That is what bothers me about the state of our future, a generation devout on ignoring evidense and holding everyone around them back?

What are your thoughts on the topic?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1795 Jan 17, 2013
asking wrote:
Quite wordy and eloquent, but my mind is already convinced of my beliefs and confident in my salvation. In the same way that all those posting will not convince you to become a follower of Christ, your posts will not cause me to relinquish my beliefs.
That said, my question pertains to the difference WftLord finds compelling in his chosen denomination. I would hope for responses from those worshiping in the CoC or CCCU to gain insight from their perspective. My questions are sincere in that regard and not for the purpose of argument because I have found arguing in this venue has rarely, if ever in my observation, caused those of differing opinions to change their mind. And that doesn't bother me, because that is not my respinsibily. Mine is only to live true to my beliefs and ensure my life makes a difference to those I hold dear.
As a non CoC member what makes you confident of your salvation? What are you being saved from?
asking

Powell, OH

#1796 Jan 17, 2013
Not to be rude, but my phone battery is about to die and we are going to bed now. I hope to check in again tomorrow. Good night.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#1797 Jan 17, 2013
asking wrote:
I have read through a lot of this, and it seems to have left the topic, but I would really like to know specifics for the basis of the opening statement. I have not seen how "working for the Lord" can show how his church is significantly different from other Protestant churches. How is your worship different. How can you judge the sincerity of heart of others?
Also please tell me if the church of Christ and the church of Christ in Christian union are the same. My sister was in the CCCU at one time.
For those interested, could his get back on topic. I believe the unbelievers have made their point and rather than try to change theirminds could we discuss this for a while.?
Thank you. Please forgive any misspelled words as this phone is hard to work on for typing.
Hear the word, believe the word, confess that Jesus died and rose from the grave and now sits on the right side of the father, be baptized, singing only, no musical instruments, taking the Lord's supper every Sunday, giving. Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:18, Mark 16:16, If you desire to become a Christian this is how worship is to be done, no other way is allowed. The Church of Christ is the only Church where one can go to become a Christian and worship God in spirit and in truth. God has his way he wants us to worship him and if your church doesn't worship him this way, then you are lost. Read Acts and especially Acts 2, all of Acts 2.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#1798 Jan 17, 2013
Jacksonmane wrote:
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Are you going to teach your own children the same from birth? If so, that is the problem, telling a developing child that they must worship this god or face eternal damnation.
That is what bothers me about the state of our future, a generation devout on ignoring evidense and holding everyone around them back?

What are your thoughts on the topic?
Telling your child the truth about God can only do good, not bad. Teaching a child that we came from any other source is a lie, so which do you teach your child? A lie or the truth that God is our creator and that he loves us and he wants the very best for us. God has a home where we will live forever in happiness beyond our human comprehension or just lie and tell them when they die that's it, you cease to desist anymore. Christianity doesn't hold people back, false teaching does. Teach your child all the good God has to offer and the terror of hell will not enter their thinking, as hell is for the non believer, not the Christian. You seem to focus on the terrible things instead of the good things, which is abnormal thinking. I say again a Christian doesn't think of hell, only the non believer does, why would a Christian think of hell when their a Christian, they wouldn't.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#1800 Jan 18, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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Well I know your mind is made up, that does not matter. My mind could be made up that I possess the ability to read minds, but it doesn't matter unless I can provide evidence of my ability. I asked you if you can substantiate your premise that we need your zombie jew to save us.
There isn't anything I or anyone can say or provide you with to become a Christian as you already have that knowledge and a great amount more than most. The reasoning and fact system you apply in everyday life can't be used in becoming a Christian because it's based on inner faith which you feel unsure of allowing because of the way you reason things out and your fact system you utilize. This is what blinds people from becoming a Christian, their way of thinking becomes an obstacle they can't or will not bend when faith is the system needed to believe in God, so it's silly human pride that get's in the way and that's why God says there's a way that seemeth right but the ways there of are death. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul, meaning stop depending on self and learn to lean on God instead of your worldly thinking. You may be smart and that's great, but faith in God makes one smarter. Faith is your demise as why you can't become a Christian, simple faith. The bible is what tells us how to become a Christian and how to worship God and live like Christ. If you can read the bible or can believe what someone is reading to you from the bible then you will be judged by the bible.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1801 Jan 18, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Hear the word, believe the word, confess that Jesus died and rose from the grave and now sits on the right side of the father, be baptized, singing only, no musical instruments, taking the Lord's supper every Sunday, giving. Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:18, Mark 16:16, If you desire to become a Christian this is how worship is to be done, no other way is allowed. The Church of Christ is the only Church where one can go to become a Christian and worship God in spirit and in truth. God has his way he wants us to worship him and if your church doesn't worship him this way, then you are lost. Read Acts and especially Acts 2, all of Acts 2.
Do you have any other source for your statement about what god wants? How can I find out what he wants without reading that old discredited book? Am I supposed to just believe you?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1802 Jan 18, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Telling your child the truth about God can only do good, not bad. Teaching a child that we came from any other source is a lie, so which do you teach your child? A lie or the truth that God is our creator and that he loves us and he wants the very best for us. God has a home where we will live forever in happiness beyond our human comprehension or just lie and tell them when they die that's it, you cease to desist anymore. Christianity doesn't hold people back, false teaching does. Teach your child all the good God has to offer and the terror of hell will not enter their thinking, as hell is for the non believer, not the Christian. You seem to focus on the terrible things instead of the good things, which is abnormal thinking. I say again a Christian doesn't think of hell, only the non believer does, why would a Christian think of hell when their a Christian, they wouldn't.
So god created the whole universe from nothing but he needed a rib to create woman? Rubbish! Thousands of scientists, who have spent their whole life concentrating on the EVIDENCE for evolution over the last 200 years from every nation on the planet disprove the one statement in a bronze age peasant book that you choose to believe. Which is more likely? Do you read ANY science at all or just totally close your mind to it? I am genuinely interested to learn if you read any science books on evolution before you completely deny it by using one old passage without evidence!
Tudor dad

Pollock, LA

#1803 Jan 18, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> There isn't anything I or anyone can say or provide you with to become a Christian as you already have that knowledge and a great amount more than most. The reasoning and fact system you apply in everyday life can't be used in becoming a Christian because it's based on inner faith which you feel unsure of allowing because of the way you reason things out and your fact system you utilize. This is what blinds people from becoming a Christian, their way of thinking becomes an obstacle they can't or will not bend when faith is the system needed to believe in God, so it's silly human pride that get's in the way and that's why God says there's a way that seemeth right but the ways there of are death. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul, meaning stop depending on self and learn to lean on God instead of your worldly thinking. You may be smart and that's great, but faith in God makes one smarter. Faith is your demise as why you can't become a Christian, simple faith. The bible is what tells us how to become a Christian and how to worship God and live like Christ. If you can read the bible or can believe what someone is reading to you from the bible then you will be judged by the bible.
lets face it .This dude is one of the many anti-christ that we deal with h e was put here by the almighty to tempt us just as satan tempts us with sin everyday. In the long run he will be defeated just as he always has. he thinks he is something new but guess what we have been dealing with his kind for centuries.

The day will come when he will be nothing but a clump of dust on the trashpile of atheist history. maybe when he comes eye to eye with his creator he will still have the balls to tell him : Prove to me you are real, and in the flash of an eye he will be hell bound.

He loves to preach about false dichotomy and pascals wager. He would be well served by following mr paschalls belief. For sure if the christians are wrong and when we die there is nothing in afterlife what have we lost? Not one damn thing. But if there is a judgemnent and your deeds determine the verdcit, Mr reason and those like him are doomed.

now, i am sure he will come vack with that pascall wager crap and prove it mentality. to him i say you prove it.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1804 Jan 18, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> There isn't anything I or anyone can say or provide you with to become a Christian as you already have that knowledge and a great amount more than most. The reasoning and fact system you apply in everyday life can't be used in becoming a Christian because it's based on inner faith which you feel unsure of allowing because of the way you reason things out and your fact system you utilize. This is what blinds people from becoming a Christian, their way of thinking becomes an obstacle they can't or will not bend when faith is the system needed to believe in God, so it's silly human pride that get's in the way and that's why God says there's a way that seemeth right but the ways there of are death. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul, meaning stop depending on self and learn to lean on God instead of your worldly thinking. You may be smart and that's great, but faith in God makes one smarter. Faith is your demise as why you can't become a Christian, simple faith. The bible is what tells us how to become a Christian and how to worship God and live like Christ. If you can read the bible or can believe what someone is reading to you from the bible then you will be judged by the bible.
Faith in magic makes one smarter! Do you realize what you are stating? You are saying that it is better to believe in imagination than facts! If you go to buy a car and you imagine it to be perfect, do you buy it without facts? If you choose a wife, do you imagine her to be perfect and get married without facts? How do you get through life without facts? I cannot conceive of the lifestyle that you choose. When you see science at work all around you, how do you manage to close your mind to it and say god rules everything? Don't you want to learn? How can you think you are smart when you seem to know nothing of how the planet functions other than what some illiterate peasants thought 2000 years ago? When are you going to progress? What will it take to make you accept that the earth is billions of years old and not 6,000? I can only assume that you have developed some method of blanking out part of your mind to science. We learn ever day of fossils found and new revelations confirming the age of the earth yet you avoid it. I can only assume you walk around with one eye closed and that eye is the one that views scientific facts.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#1805 Jan 18, 2013
Tudor dad wrote:
<quoted text>
lets face it .This dude is one of the many anti-christ that we deal with h e was put here by the almighty to tempt us just as satan tempts us with sin everyday. In the long run he will be defeated just as he always has. he thinks he is something new but guess what we have been dealing with his kind for centuries.
The day will come when he will be nothing but a clump of dust on the trashpile of atheist history. maybe when he comes eye to eye with his creator he will still have the balls to tell him : Prove to me you are real, and in the flash of an eye he will be hell bound.
He loves to preach about false dichotomy and pascals wager. He would be well served by following mr paschalls belief. For sure if the christians are wrong and when we die there is nothing in afterlife what have we lost? Not one damn thing. But if there is a judgemnent and your deeds determine the verdcit, Mr reason and those like him are doomed.
now, i am sure he will come vack with that pascall wager crap and prove it mentality. to him i say you prove it.
You have lost the freedom which you never experience in life. The saying "what you've never had, you've never missed" is true. You have my sympathy for not experiencing the freedom and self reliance that I have.
EvolutionMan

Jackson, TN

#1806 Jan 18, 2013
I know for a fact that the atoms that comprise my body was made in the middle of a supermassive star, and when that huge star super-nova'd, it splattered its enriched guts across the galaxy, and over time, clumped together to make what we are today.

We are the universe discovering itself.

And I get a feeling more powerful than any religion when I think about that.

We are living in an amazing time, and when the James Webb Space Telescope goes up, we are going to learn alot more.

&NR =1
EvolutionMan

Jackson, TN

#1807 Jan 18, 2013
&NR =1

This video shows a computer simulation of over a million cpu hours to show the developmental of a spiral galaxy, much like our own Milky Way. This simulation runs through 13.5 billion years.

Keep in mind, their are billions of galaxies exactly like ours in the universe.
EvolutionMan

Jackson, TN

#1808 Jan 18, 2013


I meant to paste this one on the prior post.
Tudor dad

Pollock, LA

#1809 Jan 18, 2013
EvolutionMan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9D05ej8u-gUXX&NR=1
This video shows a computer simulation of over a million cpu hours to show the developmental of a spiral galaxy, much like our own Milky Way. This simulation runs through 13.5 billion years.
Keep in mind, their are billions of galaxies exactly like ours in the universe.
Would you please explain to us how they got there. Supreme being or accident
Tudor dad

Pollock, LA

#1810 Jan 18, 2013
Auntie Theist wrote:
<quoted text>
You have lost the freedom which you never experience in life. The saying "what you've never had, you've never missed" is true. You have my sympathy for not experiencing the freedom and self reliance that I have.
what the hell you talikg about? never had, never missed.. never had waht, never missed what?

Pass what ever it is you sippin on if i was more free and any more self reliant i would not be able to handle myself

you have my sympathy for being a drunk, bigot and cultist
lawman 2

Pollock, LA

#1811 Jan 18, 2013
EvolutionMan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bIOOYp-g56QXX
I meant to paste this one on the prior post.
gary stfu
Jacksonmane

Jackson, TN

#1812 Jan 18, 2013
Tudor dad wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you please explain to us how they got there. Supreme being or accident
How who got where? Too many pronouns.lol

But ill be glad to answer any questions.

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