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Yup

Jackson, TN

#879 Dec 8, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
Watching Duck Dynasty, Duck Commander Phil Robertson is an elder for the White’s Ferry Road Church of Christ, where son Alan preaches.
I've heard him speak before. He preaches that you better get it right before its too late but does not pick fights with other christians about trivial things. He is going to be in nashville and Henderson soon. He is nothing like you. You should go hear him maybe he can enlighten you.
Yup

Jackson, TN

#880 Dec 8, 2012
Cyclist wrote:
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Phil is coming to our church in February.
Oh No! Not the church that claps! Lol
Cyclist

Lexington, TN

#881 Dec 8, 2012
Yup wrote:
<quoted text> Oh No! Not the church that claps! Lol
Fraid so.
Cyclist

Lexington, TN

#884 Dec 8, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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Faith is not just believing without seeing, it is believing in the complete absence of any evidence what-so-ever. There are many things we cannot observe with our human eye, most of the electromagnetic spectrum in fact. Thought I cannot "see" certain things they can nonetheless be measured.
If you show me something I believe to be true for which there is no proof then I will stop believing. That is the nature of a rational mind.
You're a Christian, you believe the Bible, and you happen to be one of a hundred different denominations. SO WHAT, the question is what good reason is their to believe any of that supernatural nonsense. A mountain of assumptions must be made before we reach the point of needed to be saved, saved from what or who, why? You need to support these claims first then we can move on to the saving point. Until then I'm not concerned with your scary stories and magical claims.
Does it not seem a little weird to you that supposedly during the times of Jesus miracles were happening left and right and suddenly around the age of enlightenment and the advent of scientific inquiry miraculous occurrences petered out?
The argument of something be real is the most important argument of all. I'm sorry you feel it is pointless but you only feel that way because you suddenly realize that your claim is based upon nothing but your willingness not to ask questions and accept what your parents told you, presumably because it makes you feel good.
I'm still waiting for you to prove to me we come from stars.

You keep talking about wanting proof. I can't sit down with a piece of paper and pencil and write you an equation that proves God is real. Can you or anyone else write an equation or provable and repeatable scientific experiment that proves I descend from a star? A mountain of assumptions must be made before anyone other than Tom Cruise or John Travolta would believe we come from stars.
been cheated

Medina, TN

#887 Dec 9, 2012
c of c people will cheat you and f@(k youup th e a$$
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#888 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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[FACEPALM] Why do you insist on using the term evolutionist? Do you not realize that there is no such thing as evolutionism? Evolution is not a philosophy, it is a scientific observation. Moving on.
Wish-thinking is thinking that one's thoughts by themselves can bring about effects in the world or that thinking something corresponds with doing it. >>> PRAYER <<<
Why is the Big Bang NOT wish-thinking?
The Big Bang a.k.a. the Lambda-CDM model is not wish-thinking because it is derived from observational evidence, the most important being the increasing expansion of the cosmos as confirmed by the red-shift of light from distant galaxies. Everything is moving away from everything else which means that at some point in the past everything must have been condensed into one point approximately 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years old.
I will say this for the millionth time, the natural formation of life on earth has jack-shit to do with the theory of evolution, please stop purposefully trying to confuse the two. Science does not advocate the idea of Spontaneous generation as it is an obsolete body of thought on the ordinary formation of living organisms without descent from similar organisms. What you mean is Abiogenesis. How did life arise via natural processes, the science is still out. How life arose might be one of those things that we can never know exactly, after all we know of one planet with life and we cannot go back in time.
Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, THAT IS IT; it says nothing more than that. You can put your straw-man away now.
The universe did not explode, there was nothing into which it could explode. SPACE itself inflated. It’s hard to describe in human language but all we know is that from presumable nothing we go to a state of almost infinite density, infinite temperature, and infinite violence. The Big Bang was so immense that it brought into existence all of the mass, and all of the energy, in all of the 400 billion galaxies we see in the universe in a region smaller than the size of a single atom. All the forces that we know about today were one in the same, it was amorphous, and it had no structure. Space inflated so fast that scientist think that in a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a second space expanded by a factor bigger than million, million, million, million times; that is faster than the speed of light.
The order of the universe came via the forces of gravity and electromagnetism. Explosions destroy? Destroy WHAT exactly? Supernova are explosions yet you and I are constructed of the very materials made from that explosion. So no, understanding how nature works is not “wish-thinking”.
You asked if the universe came into existence by the explosion, who or what made that atom? There is no reason to ask “WHO” until you understand HOW. We do not know for certain HOW the big bang occurred but science will admit it does not know and continue to investigate. Religion, on the other hand, pulls out of thin air (wish thinking) that an anthropomorphic (looks like us) being decided to make everything for no other reason than he needed something to stroke his ego.
This being spends 99.9998% of the history of universe doing nothing until 250,000 years ago modern man evolves to kill each other over who is worshiping the correct god.
There is no evidence of a mind being needed for the cosmos to work, the claim is therefore wish-thinking. What caused the forces or conditions that made it explode? We do not know. Science will admit when it does not know something. Religion happily makes up myths to explain what it does not know. That is wish thinking.
sounds like you have a lot of faith in your theory since the "science is still out and all".
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#889 Dec 9, 2012
The main reason I believe in God as opposed to another theory is the moral code we have as humans. God created us spiritual beings. Thats what makes us different than all the other animals on the planet. We lock up our murderers, rapists, thieves etc because of a moral standard we have as people. Generally speaking we all agree on right and wrong. Where did that come from? In the animal kingdom the strong survive. No remorse for wrong doing. A male lion will kill another male lion and all his offspring to mate with the female. There is a distinct difference in our code of conduct and all the other animals. Who's to say murder, rape, adultery, and robbery are wrong if there is no God. My morality is not above anyone else's. The strong would survive. How would I know the definition of "crooked" unless I had an understanding of "straight" first? That moral code came from somewhere. It is unique to humans. I believe it came from God our creator.
Cyclist

Lexington, TN

#890 Dec 9, 2012
Mitch wrote:
The main reason I believe in God as opposed to another theory is the moral code we have as humans. God created us spiritual beings. Thats what makes us different than all the other animals on the planet. We lock up our murderers, rapists, thieves etc because of a moral standard we have as people. Generally speaking we all agree on right and wrong. Where did that come from? In the animal kingdom the strong survive. No remorse for wrong doing. A male lion will kill another male lion and all his offspring to mate with the female. There is a distinct difference in our code of conduct and all the other animals. Who's to say murder, rape, adultery, and robbery are wrong if there is no God. My morality is not above anyone else's. The strong would survive. How would I know the definition of "crooked" unless I had an understanding of "straight" first? That moral code came from somewhere. It is unique to humans. I believe it came from God our creator.
Well said friend. Intelligent design, creation, is the only explanation that works. To many "accidents" have to happen and in a certain order for there to be ANY explanation other than creation. Throughout history people have tried to shift God out of the equation and throughout history they have failed to do so.

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#892 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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[FACEPALM] Why do you insist on using the term evolutionist?
You know fallacies should be used in your thinking process, not on paper. The use of 250,000 years and billions of years means nothing at all, it's a man made theory which doesn't mean anything as proof. I guess you believe dinosaurs became extinct millions of years ago, eh. Try just a few thousand years ago. You know you can determine exactly how old the earth is by counting the genealogy of the bible. That force you're talking about was God. The bible has an answer for everything you desire to know, but when you fail to use it you end up with what you believe, which is science. You know nothing of the bible and your thoughts on science is made up by man, usually people with personality flaws such as Carl Sagan, whose mind was that of a child with a new toy.

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#893 Dec 9, 2012
Yup wrote:
<quoted text> Oh No! Not the church that claps! Lol
Maybe he'll speak on clapping being a sin. Being a member of the Church of Christ will have others who do not worship accordingly and that's tragic, but God will judge that brother or sister or elders who allow things that they ought not, but there still my brother or sister. I as millions others who believe it is a sin must continue to show people what the bible says whether you or any body else disapprove, as I'm not looking for approval from man, only God. A the rest of us that believe that clapping isn't authorized, just like musical instruments. Do you have musical instruments in your Church of Christ? if no, why. Churches of Christ may be autonomous, but we have one body.

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#895 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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[FACEPALM] Why do you insist on using the term evolutionist?
Coming up with these outlandish time spans you come up with shows how ignorant your proof is, you even use exact dates which you have absolutely no proof, can you not see how science fiction is your God, not true science, which true science goes hand in hand with the bible. God has his way he wants man to worship him and unfortunately man in his ignorance will do what he wants, instead of what God commands. What about those stars you say we came from, care to elaborate on that Einstein?
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#896 Dec 9, 2012
how did we know that murder was wrong? how did we decide to impose that on someone else? your taking for granted that's its understood we know right from wrong. I say without God we are no different than a pack of wolves who also rely on each other to survive. why don't we see the same moral standards in other creatures?
Mitch

Greenwood, MS

#897 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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No, you do not get it Mitch but I'm happy to see you realize the fallacy of faith by constantly trying to bring how I think down to your level.
I wrote that science was still out on abiogenesis. There is no “theory” of how abiogenesis works because how do you construct a model to explain something happened when we have only one example, that we are currently aware anyways. You seem to be confusing, either intentionally or mistakenly, the origin of life (abiogenesis) with the diversification of life from a single ancestor (evolution). I do not have anything remotely like faith in evolution because there is evidence that it occurs and has been occurring for somewhere around 3 billion years. I also do not have faith in stellar nucleosynthesis as the means by which all heavy elements are produced.
The claim that a magic man spoke life into existence, then molded a man (in his own image no less) out of the dirt and then magically made a woman out of that dirt-man’s rib actually does require faith because there is absolutely nothing beyond the myth itself to support such a claim.
you have faith in something. its not God. its science but not all science. not evolution because it can't be proven. nothing you have to go out on a limb on. belief in what you can feel and touch and talk to. you believe in a watch without a watch maker. you curse the watch maker to tempt Him to show himself. When He does, then what?

Since: Jul 10

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#899 Dec 9, 2012
Mitch wrote:
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you have faith in something. its not God. its science but not all science. not evolution because it can't be proven. nothing you have to go out on a limb on. belief in what you can feel and touch and talk to. you believe in a watch without a watch maker. you curse the watch maker to tempt Him to show himself. When He does, then what?
I like that about the watch maker, interesting and well said.
yup

Jackson, TN

#900 Dec 9, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe he'll speak on clapping being a sin. Being a member of the Church of Christ will have others who do not worship accordingly and that's tragic, but God will judge that brother or sister or elders who allow things that they ought not, but there still my brother or sister. I as millions others who believe it is a sin must continue to show people what the bible says whether you or any body else disapprove, as I'm not looking for approval from man, only God. A the rest of us that believe that clapping isn't authorized, just like musical instruments. Do you have musical instruments in your Church of Christ? if no, why. Churches of Christ may be autonomous, but we have one body.
I respect that but public belittling is not good for the body. Some things may be better addressed in private.

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#903 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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I'm sorry, I did not realize I was debating a young earth creationist. Seems you are further down the rabbit hole than I first realized.
Your statement that my use of (250,000 years) and (billions of years) means nothing to you tells me that you are lacking in knowledge of how we reached such conclusions. The age of the earth, the sun, and the cosmos are not theories, they are facts based upon observational evidence. By the way, all theories are man-made, it is redundant to call them man-made theories.
I know dinosaurs went extinct 65.5 million years ago because non-avian dinosaur fossils are found only below the K–T boundary, indicating that they became extinct during the boundary event.
No you cannot determine the age of the earth by counting the genealogy of the Bible because we our species did not originate from survivors of a global flood nor did our species originate from one original man and woman. My goodness man, have you been completely isolated from and indoctrinated to reject every scientific discovery ever made?
The "force" that caused the mass extinction 65.5 million years ago was most likely an asteroid about the size of Manhattan. A list of the reasons why this is can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvarez_hypothes...
The Bible has an answer for EVERYTHING? OK, I would like to know the atomic weight of the element Carbon. Where can I find that in the Bible. While you are at it, tell me the scripture that explains beta decay and radioactivity. Which verse of scripture can tell me the distance to the nearest star or the approximate distance to the center of our galaxy? Scratch that, perhaps you can give me the verse which tells us that we live in something called a galaxy first.
Every answer my ass. The Bible says jack-shit about those things but you what does? SCIENCE!
I know far more about the Bible than apparently you do because if you knew what I knew about the Bible you have concluded that it was a collection of writings by MEN, made up by MEN, for the sole purpose of controlling other MEN.
I would not give two lumping piles of dog-sh!t for what think about the personality flaws of Carl Sagan. Sagan was a science educator and promoter, he was not the embodiment of science and the knowledge revealed by science would exist in his absence.
No, man did not write the bible,the bible was written by God, it's not the words of man it's the mind of God. To say 65.5 million years is crazy to say, your dating machines couldn't even come up with the right answer for St. Helen.You haven't a clue what anything looked like a million years ago, as tis is just a machine made by a man and it's accuracy is well known to be flawed. God through divine inspiration led these men to write what he wanted to have in his bible.

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#906 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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I already told you have a rational person decides that murder is wrong. Do you want me to murder you, take your life for no reason other than I fell like it? I presume not. I likewise do not want you to murder me. We might need to help each other so are in agreement that we will not needlessly stab each other while we sleep.
How did we decide to impose this on other people? Well, we don't actually impose or prevent people from committing murder. We can punish people for murder, lock them away from society or execute them. We also recognize each others right to kill in defense of their own life.
I am taking for granted that's MOST OF US understand right from wrong. The idea of right and wrong is partly passed down over generations and refined via trial and error.
We are more intelligent than a pack of wolves but we none the less still operate in "packs" which we called nations or the Bible called tribes. With God presumable on their side the Israelites acted just like a pack of wolves when they conquered the promised land. Killing everyone and everything, including women and little children, though sometimes taking the virgins for wives (sex slaves).
Other social animals do show what we call moral codes. Other species of apes live in similar types of social groups and exhibit moral acts such as defense of the weak and punishment for violating trust.
Just because our social constructs are more complex and cover a greater number of individuals does not in any way mean we need a supernatural dictator running it from the sky.
Wrong, a person "learns" not decides to murder by being taught first of the conequences. God made sure to teach people by consequences and then if they "choose" or as you like to say decide to murder they do so against all that's right, and goes against God's laws and man's. You really have this thing about God being a God who is so cruel that he would give orders to kill all those in the story you mentioned, to bad you don't understand why and what his purpose was. Again you judge God by your standards and his standards are so above you and I that it's impossible to know. I bet you say that he was a bad God to murder those in the days of Noah, right, but if you knew his plan and why it had to be, then maybe you would understand. You say you know the bible but you don't you simply know of the bible. If you would research these two stories more in-depth you would see differently than you do, but you choose not to, as science is your God of choice. God saved those infants and children in the days of Noah because there parents being filled with pure evil in there hearts meant they would grow up to lose there life in eternity with God. So thanks to God these infants and children now live in eternal happiness instead of eternal seperation from god.

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#907 Dec 9, 2012
According to Reason wrote:
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The Bible was literally written by god? Wow you really are a fundamentalist among fundamentalist.
So basically you're telling me that because you distrust scientific instruments and the conclusions they give us, you are instead going to accept with complete and utter trust the scribblings of superstitious men from thousands of years ago?
Are you not aware that the Bible you claim was written by the mind of some god is the product of a group of Bishops who decided via majority VOTE what books were and were not the product of god's mind? I suppose you will now tell me that god was somehow inspiring them to vote for the right books.
Have you never heard of the First Council of Nicaea where Christian bishops were convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day &#304;znik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom. My goodness people were killing each other over who had the right idea about god a mere 300 or so years after Jesus allegedly committed suicide by cop.
You do not know history, you are completely ignorant of science, and these things combine to turn you into a raving religious fanatic who has convinced himself that he is a member of the one true Church of Christ, which god didn't bother to start until about 100 years ago, and that it is your mission from god to spread that claim.
Catholic is a religion started in 606 AD, the Churches of Christ was established on 33AD. Open up your computer bible to Acts Chapter 2 and read and you will see the proof needed to validate that. The Catholic Church is a man made religion by a few bishops, or men as I call them who decided to go and do things there way, like you, they decided to go against the bible and do it on there own. Pride goeth before the fall I've heard. You will not see anything about a catholic church except in a catholic church bible, try the KJV, NKJV, NASV, ASV.

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#908 Dec 9, 2012
yup wrote:
<quoted text> I respect that but public belittling is not good for the body. Some things may be better addressed in private.
True, but when people who wish to know the truth I have to make sure they know that clapping and musical instruments are not authorized and thus not allowed in worship. Do you feel that instruments are authorized in worship? I cannot teach the word of God and say these things are a personal preference and each church is autonomous, the problem is the body isn't, so that makes it wrong whether you're in my congregation or another.

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#909 Dec 9, 2012
When Churches of Christ churches fail to worship accoring to God's law it's a sin aginst the body, not just a matter between brothers and sisters, but the Church itself. Being autonomos doesn't make a church exempt from preaching and worshipping in spirit and in truth. If we do we then become divivded, and the unity is gone.

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