The Church of Christ is the only chur...
savedbygrace

Hopkinsville, KY

#471 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> 21 And this is a picture of baptism, which now saves you by the power of Jesus Christ's resurrection. Baptism is not a removal of dirt from your body; it is an appeal to God from a clean conscience. You misunderstood the verse and that's exactly why there's so many false churches as you read it wrong. Here's what you said in your post,{ states that baptism has nothing to do with the removal of sins (dirt). The water of baptism is not what saves us, the sacrifice of Christ} Water does save you as 1 Peter tells you.
Once again...I believe it is Christ's blood that saves us....not water. You can't have both.

Since: Jul 10

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#472 Nov 23, 2012
savedbygrace wrote:
1. Mark 16:16 only mentions that not believing will condemn you, it says nothing about not being baptized condemning you.
2.Matt 28:19 actually doesn't mention salvation at all. It says to make disciples (which is all about teaching, not an event) and includes baptism in the verse. This passage by no means can be interpreted that baptism is part of salvation...that would be a big theological stretch.
3. 1 Pet 3 - He states that baptism has nothing to do with the removal of sins (dirt). The water of baptism is not what saves us, the sacrifice of Christ does which we receive by faith. We read numerous verses about justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), salvation by faith (Eph. 2:8), etc., not justification "by faith and baptism," or salvation "by faith and baptism."1 The fact is that salvation is received by faith. Peter, not wanting to declare that baptism itself is what saves us, quickly adds, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience." Water baptism, then, must accompany the work of the Holy Spirit in the person. Peter's explanatory comment shows us that the act of physical baptism is not what saves, but the "baptism of appeal to God." This appeal to God is by faith the same as Noah's faith in God led him to build the Ark, enter it, and remain in it. It was the Ark that saved Noah, not the flood waters.
It is obviously we are going to disagree on this issue. People interpret Scripture in different ways, and God allows for that. I believe that is causes people to search the Scripture even deeper.
This is an interpretation that I believe Scripture states that Jesus in the only way to salvation by His grace, through faith, and nothing you can do will attribute to that salvation.
You believe Scripture states that faith and grace aren't enough to save you, you must actually physically do something to be saved because it is the Law of Christ to do so.
Both of us have given Scripture, my hope is that people will study Scripture themselves and seek out God through prayer and love.
Yes Mark 16;16 clearly tells you baptism is essential unto salvation.
Anyone who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.

Since: Jul 10

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#473 Nov 23, 2012
Profound wrote:
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I know of several hear in jackson that preach those truths. I know of Baptist churches that preach that, non-denominational churches, some Pentecostal churches, some COGIC churches, some CME churches just to name a few.
Having said that, I am a member of coC but I recognize that we are not the only Christians.
You are incorrect if you believe this. Do you believe in speaking in tongues or using instruments in worship? The one's you mention do. The CoC does not believe in the use of instruments, speaking in tongues or believe that baptism isn't essential unto salvation. we do, so these are not followers of the bible, they are man made.
Profound

Jackson, TN

#474 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Yes Mark 16;16 clearly tells you baptism is essential unto salvation.
Anyone who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.
Interesting. Where in Mark 16:16 does it say anyone who believes and is baptized and goes to a church of Christ will be saved......
Profound

Jackson, TN

#475 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Yes Mark 16;16 clearly tells you baptism is essential unto salvation.
Anyone who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.
The key word is ANYONE.
Agreed

Tucker, GA

#479 Nov 23, 2012
Y'all don't get that idiot started again.
Profound

Jackson, TN

#480 Nov 23, 2012
WeKnowItsYouStephen wrote:
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Most Churches of Christ do believe just like Stephen Sutton, who should go back to being an EMT and stop trying to be Mr. Big. Moments with a Minister my ass!
I know many who don't. The coC I go to and am a deacon at does not believe or teach this, in fact we believe this is false teaching.
Profound

Jackson, TN

#481 Nov 23, 2012
WeKnowItsYouStephen wrote:
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Most Churches of Christ do believe just like Stephen Sutton, who should go back to being an EMT and stop trying to be Mr. Big. Moments with a Minister my ass!
But yes I do agree that he has no place in ANY pulpit preaching.

Since: Jul 10

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#482 Nov 23, 2012
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:14-26)

According to James faith doesn't truly exist without the evidence of works accompanying the faith. In other words, faith is demonstrated by the things that a person does and not by the things a person claims. The most famous chapter on faith is Hebrews 11 and notice that each example of faith is also an example of work. How do we know that Abel had faith? Because he offered a better sacrifice. How do we know that Enoch had faith? Because he walked with God and did not die. Noah demonstrated his faith by building the ark. Abraham showed his faith by leaving his homeland and by offering up his son Isaac.

Faith and obedient works are inseparable. It is when man tries to pull them apart -- to have one without the other -- that man finds himself in trouble
Profound

Jackson, TN

#483 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:14-26)
According to James faith doesn't truly exist without the evidence of works accompanying the faith. In other words, faith is demonstrated by the things that a person does and not by the things a person claims. The most famous chapter on faith is Hebrews 11 and notice that each example of faith is also an example of work. How do we know that Abel had faith? Because he offered a better sacrifice. How do we know that Enoch had faith? Because he walked with God and did not die. Noah demonstrated his faith by building the ark. Abraham showed his faith by leaving his homeland and by offering up his son Isaac.
Faith and obedient works are inseparable. It is when man tries to pull them apart -- to have one without the other -- that man finds himself in trouble
Sorry dude, you have no credibility.
WeKnowItsYouStep hen

Jackson, TN

#484 Nov 23, 2012
Stop beating around the bush, Stephen. WE KNOW THAT IT'S YOU! JUST ADMIT IT!

Since: Jul 10

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#485 Nov 23, 2012
Profound wrote:
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I know many who don't. The coC I go to and am a deacon at does not believe or teach this, in fact we believe this is false teaching.
I would be interested in knowing these CoC that you mention that don't believe as I do.
Profound

Jackson, TN

#486 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> I would be interested in knowing these CoC that you mention that don't believe as I do.
Why, so you can criticize them from your tiny pulpit? Nice try. Go back to the Memphis school of preaching, or "Heretic Tech" as I like to call it, I'm sure they have a list of unapproved coC's.
Agreed

Tucker, GA

#487 Nov 23, 2012
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> I would be interested in knowing these CoC that you mention that don't believe as I do.
dude your warped. I pray no one believes exactly like you do. I do know several though. Have talked about this thread with them they all agree your warped.
joe loyd

Plano, TX

#488 Nov 23, 2012
Quit feeding the troll and it'll stop. Its been established that he's wrong.
Agreed

Tucker, GA

#489 Nov 23, 2012
joe loyd wrote:
Quit feeding the troll and it'll stop. Its been established that he's wrong.
your right.
Ronald

Jackson, TN

#490 Nov 24, 2012
savedbygrace wrote:
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Once again...I believe it is Christ's blood that saves us....not water. You can't have both.
I agree with you on half your statement. The blood of Jesus saves us. Without His blood nothing matters. Hebrews 9 talks about this.

Acts 22:16, Acts 2:38 The blood of Jesus is accessed by faith when one follows the command to be immersed in water to "wash away sins" or "for forgiveness of sins".

This is not salvations by "works". This is salvation by "obedience". Hebrews 5:9

I believe it is both and you must have both.
Interesting

Germantown, TN

#491 Nov 25, 2012
I like how "Working for the Lord" never has a response for his church trying to take Catholic tradition. I don't get how you wake up everyday,and I don't get how you are so blind, that you can't answer my questions regarding your church stealing shit straight from the catholic church!! ANSWER you FOOL!!`
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#492 Nov 25, 2012
Interesting wrote:
I like how "Working for the Lord" never has a response for his church trying to take Catholic tradition. I don't get how you wake up everyday,and I don't get how you are so blind, that you can't answer my questions regarding your church stealing shit straight from the catholic church!! ANSWER you FOOL!!`
He can't answer that. It doesn't fit into his tiny little box.
I was blind now I see

United States

#493 Nov 25, 2012
Working for the lord has not answered any of my questions. I do not believe that God the creator of the universe would leave salvation in a man's hands. I have met several people of other faiths and they believe as strongly as any CoC that they have the correct interpertation. The word "saved" does not always mean salvation. You can be saved here on earth by having knowledge of salvation and have noting to do with the salvation that awaits you. I do not think that God is in heaven wringing his hands hoping that he can save someone. This has already been done by the blood of christ. He that wants salvation already has it. It is not from you, least any man should boast.

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