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Anglican clergyman, Dr Daniel Featly,(who was one of the translators of the King James@Bible) wrote in 1645 of the Churches of Christ meeting in London and elsewhere in his work the 'Dippers Dipt', took those congregations back to 1525 when he quotes from them "That baptism ought to be received by none, but such as can give a good account of their faith; and in case any have been baptized in their infancy, that they ought to he re-baptized after they come to years of discretion, before they are to be admitted to the Church of Christ." These churches in the 1600s were in communication with other churches of Christ in America, nearly two hundred years before Campbell!

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The churches of Christ (Romans 16:16) do not follow the Roman Gospel which originated in paganism, several hundred years after the first church of Christ assembled in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost after the Resurrection, who followed the Jerusalem Gospel. It is an error to confuse the churches of Christ with the Protestant Reformation, they are not Reformers but restorationists, who hold to the Word of God in all maters of faith and practice. For the pre-Reformation Roman Catholics it was sin, the reformation Anglicans, Protestants, Lutherans, Zwinglian, Calvinist and Roman Catholics all held that the churches of Christ were in sin, and through persecution many Christians died at the hands of the Reformers and Roman Catholics - there was nowhere to flee, except prayer. The Reformers and Roman Catholics held to the alliance of Church and State and denied Free-Will, the churches of Christ opposed this, confirming Free-Will and separation of Church and State, which made them criminals twice over. The Reformers holding fast to the doctrine of Church and State forced this through infant baptism (infant baptism is pagan in origin).

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The charges made against Christians through time can be paraphrased as follows;
1/ Rejection of infant baptism, their defence was that infants are without sin and that a person through their own choice should decide whether they wish to be baptised and wash away their sins, proclaiming the message of God’s grace and the free will of man.
2/ Rejection of the Eucharist as a sacrifice, their defence was that the Lord’s supper was not a sacrifice but a memorial to be taken on the first day of the week.
3/ Rejection of the Old Testament and certain New Testament passages, their defence was that they held all the scriptures sacred, but the Word of God needed to be rightly divided, the formal Priesthood of the Old Testament did not apply in the Christian era was one example.
4/ Rejection of church buildings and altars, their defence was that any place was a suitable place of Worship.
5/ Rejection of idols and images, their defence was that this practice was contrary to the Word of God.
6/ Rejection of sprinkling or pouring as a mode of baptism, their defence was that immersion was commanded in the Word of God.
7/ Rejection of a separate priesthood and clergy, their defence was that all were equal in Christ, proclaiming the 'Universal Priesthood of Believers.
8/ Rejection of prayers for the dead, holy days and good works (without faith, Ephesians 2:8-10 ), their defence was that these were contrary to the Word of God.
9/ Rejection of celibacy, the defence was that this was contrary to the Word of God.
10/ Rejection of the hierarchy of Bishops, the defence was that congregations were autonomous, being overseen by a plurality of Elders (Bishops).
11/ Another accusation made time and time again was the crime of heresy of Manichaeism, which goes back to a heretic named Manes or Mani who died around 276. This charge has always been strongly denied, evidence suggests that this was a contrived charge to gain quick conviction. One problem the authorities have always had with true believers who use the scriptures as a justification was that their defence could be seen publicly, therefore charges of Gnosticism and Manichaeism were often bought to gain a fast conviction, usually followed by death by burning.
12/ Witchcraft, especially for women including the crime of flying on broomsticks. The penalty for this was burning.
Did early ‘churches of Christ’ use the instrument for music in their assembly? No, they did not. The instrument problem is a recent one and does not affect the time period we are looking at, having only become common place since the late 1800s.
Such were the complaints made and such was the defence (a return to scripture as the authority for the church and the Christian). Their defence by scripture was rejected by the authorities and banned. The traditions of the Catholic church would set the standard and many thousands died because they refused to obey the Pope.
The writer believes the Bible to be the very Word of God revealed and made available for all mankind. The writer has rejected modern (and not so modern) evolutionary theories believing in the Genesis account of six day creation less than 10,000 years ago. This reflects in the time periods and conclusions made of pre-Roman Celtic and Scandinavian Europe.
Neither statements can change the ultimate conclusions reached as these are dependent on known history since the time of Christ and the Bible.

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Final part,

For many people today when presented with the numerous Christian denominations are totally confused, and rightly so. Calvinism and Catholicism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, Anglicans and Baptists, and many, many more, in fact hundreds of ‘Christian’ denominations claim to hold to Biblical truth, yet their doctrines (as their opponents will happily point out) contradict sound Bible teaching. Yet in the beginning there was one church based on the teaching of Christ through His apostles, as written and handed down through the Bible. So how has this confusion come about and when did it happen? This survey will attempt to show how this has happened, the struggle of Christians who were faithful in opposing this, and lastly to show that it is possible still to Worship God in the manner that He expects.

In fact in view of all of this confusion the writer believes that the only way to get back to the truth is to use the Bible, in seeking answers about the Christian Faith. It would take a lifetime to check each and every denomination and to work out the history of their particular doctrines, it is far easier and safer to go to the Bible direct and to ignore the teachings and traditions of men.

In the Bible the inspired writers claim that Jesus is none other than the Christ, God Himself. The New Testament teaches that salvation is through Christ, so all mankind needs and is obliged to check these statements found in Holy Scripture. And we must reach the right conclusion, for if the Bible is right and we get it wrong we will spend eternity outside of Heaven and outside of the fellowship of God. Clearly the most important task of any responsible person is to check the claims made in the Bible and to act accordingly.

The people who are written about wore no name other than ‘Christian’. For convenience in this study we will use the same term and refer to the congregations who met together to Worship the Lord as ‘churches of Christ’. This description was given in Paul’s letter to the Romans in chapter sixteen verse sixteen. The term ‘church of Christ’ is a common designation made in the English language referring to those churches who are ‘in Christ’.

The 'church of Christ' is none other than Christians who make up the body of Christ, His spiritual Kingdom on Earth.
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Working for the Lord wrote:
Final part,
For many people today when presented with the numerous Christian denominations are totally confused, and rightly so. Calvinism and Catholicism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, Anglicans and Baptists, and many, many more, in fact hundreds of ‘Christian’ denominations claim to hold to Biblical truth, yet their doctrines (as their opponents will happily point out) contradict sound Bible teaching. Yet in the beginning there was one church based on the teaching of Christ through His apostles, as written and handed down through the Bible. So how has this confusion come about and when did it happen? This survey will attempt to show how this has happened, the struggle of Christians who were faithful in opposing this, and lastly to show that it is possible still to Worship God in the manner that He expects.
In fact in view of all of this confusion the writer believes that the only way to get back to the truth is to use the Bible, in seeking answers about the Christian Faith. It would take a lifetime to check each and every denomination and to work out the history of their particular doctrines, it is far easier and safer to go to the Bible direct and to ignore the teachings and traditions of men.
In the Bible the inspired writers claim that Jesus is none other than the Christ, God Himself. The New Testament teaches that salvation is through Christ, so all mankind needs and is obliged to check these statements found in Holy Scripture. And we must reach the right conclusion, for if the Bible is right and we get it wrong we will spend eternity outside of Heaven and outside of the fellowship of God. Clearly the most important task of any responsible person is to check the claims made in the Bible and to act accordingly.
The people who are written about wore no name other than ‘Christian’. For convenience in this study we will use the same term and refer to the congregations who met together to Worship the Lord as ‘churches of Christ’. This description was given in Paul’s letter to the Romans in chapter sixteen verse sixteen. The term ‘church of Christ’ is a common designation made in the English language referring to those churches who are ‘in Christ’.
The 'church of Christ' is none other than Christians who make up the body of Christ, His spiritual Kingdom on Earth.
When you use the term "Church of Christ" you are using it as an identifier, therefore making "The Church of Christ" a denomination. You say being a denomination is wrong yet you treat the church as a denomination. You are a walking talking contradiction. When another group uses an identifier to identify their group you call it a denomination, when you do it you simply ignore the fact that you are doing the same thing.

Just one more reason no one should listen too or believe anything you say. You are a lier and a hypocrite.
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Working for the Lord wrote:
The New Testament came into being gradually also, although the books themselves were written in a comparatively short period of time[ A.D. 50-100 ] These books were simply letters penned by inspired men and addresed to different churches and individuals. There are many ways to make sure what you're reading today is accurate by using the manuscripts that we have and Textual or lower Criticism, eyewitnesses and other tools we have. This alone should give peace of mind that what you're reading is from God. Copies of the New Testament alone range in the thousands,approximately 5,000, not to say all are in a complete form. Most of the manuscripts do not contain the entire New Testament for the simple reason that a hand- produced copy of the whole was to bulky for practical use. When one of the writers in the New Testament completed his writng it was sent on to the churches to be read to the congregation and past on to others to make sure all had the chance to read the letter.
In the period you refer to there were no physical churches. People met in groups in each other's homes. The NT was unknown. There were stories written - many thousands over centuries. The wealthy few in Rome argued about which stories to select for the religion they devised to subjugate and rule the populace. Eyewitness accounts of the resurrection were rejected in favor of vague stories that supported their cause. Details of Jesus' youth were rejected. Descriptions of heaven and hell were rejected. Eventually a version (which you use today - 66 books) of the bible was agreed upon in 367CE and has been copied by hand and translated ever since.
Do you agree with this or not?
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Working for the Lord wrote:
Anglican clergyman, Dr Daniel Featly,(who was one of the translators of the King James@Bible) wrote in 1645 of the Churches of Christ meeting in London and elsewhere in his work the 'Dippers Dipt', took those congregations back to 1525 when he quotes from them "That baptism ought to be received by none, but such as can give a good account of their faith; and in case any have been baptized in their infancy, that they ought to he re-baptized after they come to years of discretion, before they are to be admitted to the Church of Christ." These churches in the 1600s were in communication with other churches of Christ in America, nearly two hundred years before Campbell!
Quote from the 47 scholars who chose what would go in the KJV "Forty unbound copies of the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were specially printed so that the agreed changes of each committee could be recorded in the margins"
So, earlier bibles were changed! What a surprise! How can the word of god be changed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_...

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Cyclist wrote:
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When you use the term "Church of Christ" you are using it as an identifier, therefore making "The Church of Christ" a denomination. You say being a denomination is wrong yet you treat the church as a denomination. You are a walking talking contradiction. When another group uses an identifier to identify their group you call it a denomination, when you do it you simply ignore the fact that you are doing the same thing.
Just one more reason no one should listen too or believe anything you say. You are a lier and a hypocrite.
Cyclist you say you go to Campbell St. Church of Christ, why are you saying things against your own church. Are you saying that the Churches of Christ are a denomination ? We at the CoC say that we are not a denomination. As members of the church of Christ, we teach and practice non-denominational Christianity. Each congregation of the church of Christ is autonomous, that is, each is self-ruled under the authority of Jesus Christ and by the precepts of His New Testament. We have no earthly headquarters nor any earthly council, convention, or human organization to make rules or laws for the church.

Each congregation is overseen by a group of men called elders. In other places and translations this group of men are called pastors, shepherds, or bishops, or overseers. These men must meet the qualifications of 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. They do not make laws for the church, but rather oversee the local church to ensure the scriptures are followed and practiced. Elders have authority in matters of expediency in the local church, and have no authority outside the local body (1 Peter 5:1-4).

Everything we seek to do and teach must be governed and authorized by the New Testament. We seek to do Bible things in Bible ways, and call Bible things by Bible names. We do not use the name church of Christ as a denominational designation, but rather as a statement of ownership. The church of Christ means the church that belongs to Christ. Among other things, Jesus came to establish His church on earth (Matthew 16:16-19). Jesus purchased the church with His blood (Acts 20:28). Therefore the church belongs to him.

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Here is another example of how religion is divisive.

Apparently, it's against church rules for Lutherans to worship and pray with other religions. But, are they not worshiping and praying to the same god? What's the big deal?

"n December, Rob Morris of Newtown's Christ the King Lutheran Church participated in a prayer vigil for the victims of the Newtown massacre. It was attended by Christian, Muslim and Jewish leaders as well as president Barack Obama. Now, Rob Morris has been forced to apologize for this -- specifically, for giving the closing benediction -- because it's against his church's rules to participate in "joint worship with other religions."....

I'll bet a lot of people will find this story to be surprising and sad, but it will only surprise those who have been deceived into thinking that religion unites people more than it divides. These sorts of situations are actually quite consistent with the exclusionary, divisive nature of traditional, conservative religion (of almost any sort, not just Christianity)."

http://atheism.about.com/b/2013/02/15/luthera...

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Auntie Theist wrote:
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In the period you refer to there were no physical churches. People met in groups in each other's homes. The NT was unknown. There were stories written - many thousands over centuries. The wealthy few in Rome argued about which stories to select for the religion they devised to subjugate and rule the populace. Eyewitness accounts of the resurrection were rejected in favor of vague stories that supported their cause. Details of Jesus' youth were rejected. Descriptions of heaven and hell were rejected. Eventually a version (which you use today - 66 books) of the bible was agreed upon in 367CE and has been copied by hand and translated ever since.
Do you agree with this or not?
Paul died in 67A.D. From the mid-30s to the mid-50s he established several churches in Asia Minor and at least three in Europe, including the church at Corinth.[6]

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Auntie Theist wrote:
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Quote from the 47 scholars who chose what would go in the KJV "Forty unbound copies of the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were specially printed so that the agreed changes of each committee could be recorded in the margins"
So, earlier bibles were changed! What a surprise! How can the word of god be changed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_...
No alleged god ever wrote anything to begin with. It is words written by men(only) centuries ago with the pretension to be "the word" of an alleged god.

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MrDesoto1 wrote:
Here is another example of how religion is divisive.
Apparently, it's against church rules for Lutherans to worship and pray with other religions. But, are they not worshiping and praying to the same god? What's the big deal?
"n December, Rob Morris of Newtown's Christ the King Lutheran Church participated in a prayer vigil for the victims of the Newtown massacre. It was attended by Christian, Muslim and Jewish leaders as well as president Barack Obama. Now, Rob Morris has been forced to apologize for this -- specifically, for giving the closing benediction -- because it's against his church's rules to participate in "joint worship with other religions."....
I'll bet a lot of people will find this story to be surprising and sad, but it will only surprise those who have been deceived into thinking that religion unites people more than it divides. These sorts of situations are actually quite consistent with the exclusionary, divisive nature of traditional, conservative religion (of almost any sort, not just Christianity)."
http://atheism.about.com/b/2013/02/15/luthera...
Same God, yes. The problem is that they are not worshipping in spirit and in truth according to how commands us to worship, which tells us they were a man made false religion. The CoC goes according to the bible in worshipping which God commands.

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Auntie Theist wrote:
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In the period you refer to there were no physical churches.


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Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability

by Matt Slick

The New Testament is constantly under attack and its reliability and accuracy are often contested by critics. But, if the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy... and they are very consistent.

There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.2


Author

Date
Written

Earliest Copy

Approximate Time Span between original & copy

Number of Copies

Accuracy of Copies



Lucretius

died 55 or 53 B.C.



1100 yrs

2

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Pliny

61-113 A.D.

850 A.D.

750 yrs

7

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Plato

427-347 B.C.

900 A.D.

1200 yrs

7

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Demosthenes

4th Cent. B.C.

1100 A.D.

800 yrs

8

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Herodotus

480-425 B.C.

900 A.D.

1300 yrs

8

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Suetonius

75-160 A.D.

950 A.D.

800 yrs

8

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Thucydides

460-400 B.C.

900 A.D.

1300 yrs

8

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Euripides

480-406 B.C.

1100 A.D.

1300 yrs

9

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Aristophanes

450-385 B.C.

900 A.D.

1200

10

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Caesar

100-44 B.C.

900 A.D.

1000

10

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Final part,



Livy

59 BC-AD 17

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???

20

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Tacitus

circa 100 A.D.

1100 A.D.

1000 yrs

20

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Aristotle

384-322 B.C.

1100 A.D.

1400

49

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Sophocles

496-406 B.C.

1000 A.D.

1400 yrs

193

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Homer (Iliad)

900 B.C.

400 B.C.

500 yrs

643

95%



New
Testament

1st Cent. A.D.(50-100 A.D.

2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. 130 A.D. f.)

less than 100 years

5600

99.5%


As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.

Almost all biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., then that means that the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.

Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri 125 A.D.). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.

Below is a chart with some of the oldest extant New Testament manuscripts compared to when they were originally penned. Compare these time spans with the next closest which is Homer's Iliad where the closest copy from the original is 500 years later. Undoubtedly, that period of time allows for more textual corruption in its transmission. How much less so for the New Testament documents?


Important
Manuscript
Papyri

Contents

Date
Original Written

MSS
Date

Approx.
Time Span

Location



p52
(John Rylands
Fragment)3

John 18:31-33,37-38

circa
96 A.D.

circa
125
A.D.

29 yrs

John Rylands Library, Manchester, England



P46
(Chester Beatty Papyrus)

Rom. 5:17-6:3,5-14; 8:15-25, 27-35; 10:1-11,22,24-33,35; 16:1-23, 25-27; Heb.; 1 & 2 Cor., Eph., Gal., Phil., Col.; 1 Thess. 1:1,9-10; 2:1-3; 5:5-9, 23-28

50's-70's

circa
200
A.D.

Approx.
150 yrs

Chester Beatty Museum, Dublin & Ann Arbor, Michigan, University of Michigan library



P66
(Bodmer Papyrus)

John 1:1-6:11,35-14:26; fragment of 14:29-21:9


70's

circa
200
A.D.

Approx.
130 yrs

Cologne, Geneva



P67

Matt. 3:9,15; 5:20-22, 25-28



circa
200
A.D.

Approx.
130 yrs

Barcelona, Fundacion San Lucas Evangelista, P. Barc.1


If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors mentioned in the chart at the beginning of the paper. On the other hand, if the critics acknowledge the historicity and writings of those other individuals, then they must also retain the historicity and writings of the New Testament authors; after all, the evidence for the New Testament's reliability is far greater than the others. The Christian has substantially superior criteria for affirming the New Testament documents than he does for any other ancient writing. It is good evidence on which to base the trust in the reliability of the New Testament.

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<quoted text> Same God, yes. The problem is that they are not worshipping in spirit and in truth according to how commands us to worship, which tells us they were a man made false religion. The CoC goes according to the bible in worshipping which God commands.
Here is another example of how religion is divisive.

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MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Here is another example of how religion is divisive.
Blame man , not God. God wants unity but man chooses to worship God the way they choose instead of the way God commands.
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Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Cyclist you say you go to Campbell St. Church of Christ, why are you saying things against your own church. Are you saying that the Churches of Christ are a denomination ? We at the CoC say that we are not a denomination. As members of the church of Christ, we teach and practice non-denominational Christianity. Each congregation of the church of Christ is autonomous, that is, each is self-ruled under the authority of Jesus Christ and by the precepts of His New Testament. We have no earthly headquarters nor any earthly council, convention, or human organization to make rules or laws for the church.
Each congregation is overseen by a group of men called elders. In other places and translations this group of men are called pastors, shepherds, or bishops, or overseers. These men must meet the qualifications of 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. They do not make laws for the church, but rather oversee the local church to ensure the scriptures are followed and practiced. Elders have authority in matters of expediency in the local church, and have no authority outside the local body (1 Peter 5:1-4).
Everything we seek to do and teach must be governed and authorized by the New Testament. We seek to do Bible things in Bible ways, and call Bible things by Bible names. We do not use the name church of Christ as a denominational designation, but rather as a statement of ownership. The church of Christ means the church that belongs to Christ. Among other things, Jesus came to establish His church on earth (Matthew 16:16-19). Jesus purchased the church with His blood (Acts 20:28). Therefore the church belongs to him.
I am saying that YOUR definition of "Church of Christ" is a denomination. You claim each is autonomous yet you feel you have the authority to claim another coC is doing wrong. According to who, you? Where is the autonomy if each church is subject to what you think. Do you think you can make decisions for the elders at my church? If you feel it is your place to call out what a group of elders at another congregation decide is right for their flock, then you are claiming authority over that church, therefore it is not autonomous, but subject to what people outside of that flock believe.

I don't tell you that South jackson can't preach and practice their hate. South jackson may be subject to what freed hardeman, or Matt slick or Wayne Jackson think, but we are not and never will be.

YOU treat the church like a denomination, not I.
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Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Cyclist you say you go to Campbell St. Church of Christ, why are you saying things against your own church. Are you saying that the Churches of Christ are a denomination ? We at the CoC say that we are not a denomination. As members of the church of Christ, we teach and practice non-denominational Christianity. Each congregation of the church of Christ is autonomous, that is, each is self-ruled under the authority of Jesus Christ and by the precepts of His New Testament. We have no earthly headquarters nor any earthly council, convention, or human organization to make rules or laws for the church.
Each congregation is overseen by a group of men called elders. In other places and translations this group of men are called pastors, shepherds, or bishops, or overseers. These men must meet the qualifications of 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. They do not make laws for the church, but rather oversee the local church to ensure the scriptures are followed and practiced. Elders have authority in matters of expediency in the local church, and have no authority outside the local body (1 Peter 5:1-4).
Everything we seek to do and teach must be governed and authorized by the New Testament. We seek to do Bible things in Bible ways, and call Bible things by Bible names. We do not use the name church of Christ as a denominational designation, but rather as a statement of ownership. The church of Christ means the church that belongs to Christ. Among other things, Jesus came to establish His church on earth (Matthew 16:16-19). Jesus purchased the church with His blood (Acts 20:28). Therefore the church belongs to him.
I forgot to dumb that down for you.

In other words.....what we do at c street, what max lucado does, what rubel Shelly does is none of your business. Mind your own business, you have enough problems at south jackson to deal with.

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According to Reason wrote:
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How do you know the mind of your god or what your god wants?
The bible is the mind of God.

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