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EvolutionMan

Tucker, GA

#2723 Feb 13, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The fredom of what? Christians are as free as it gets, we have life in the fullest way and life forever, THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS
Someone one day found the comedian W.C. Feild's reading the Bible and asked what he was doing. His reply was "just looking for loopholes, just looking for loopholes." There are a lot of people who read with the same intention of disregarding any evidence. After all we are so much more advance than they were 1,950 years ago when this ancient book was written.
There are only three options to explain our existence, one is to believe in God, another is agnosticism which states their may be a God but I haven't found proof. The last is atheism where one will state they know God does not exist. This is not just a non- belief in God but a willful denial of his existence. Agnosticism is where one admits that they do not know if God exists, not having the proof or that there is a personal God who has always existed.
No one is born an atheist, they learn NOT to believe, just as one learns to believe. People choose to become atheists as much as they choose to become Christians, unfortunately they usually disbelieve by default. Hopefully one become s Christian because of evidence.
Atheism is natural to man, it is the most comfortable position. It is a reflection of his depraved state being engulfed in sin. The Bible states: the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Why, because there is so much evidence to the contrary? No, it is more of a hopeful out look so that they will not be accountable to anyone or for anything they have done.
God is aware of the atheist while the atheist is not aware of God. In response he says Psalm 14:1-2 The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God.”
No matter how strenuously some may try to deny it, atheism is a belief system. It requires just as much faith (believing) to embrace that God does not exist, even more belief than a Christian would need to believe he does exist. Atheism has made a secular belief system (religion/philosophy) of having no God and their focus is usually nature. God's creation has replaced the one who made it. An atheist must assume that personal unique intricate living organisms arose from impersonal disorderly chaos. Something had to come from nothing. They have no explanation for a beginning of when or why. There is no purpose in what we see and call creation. Atheism assumes that the potential gives rise to the actual. Reality shows that something actualized the potential itself. All Potentials have an actualizer. Scrap iron from a junk yard does not form itself into an airplane or a building without some thing that is able to put it to order. All designs have a designer, and the universe has proven to be incredibly designed. Even the minutest organism is more complex than the space shuttle.
Well if you want to get technical, then that would put me as agnostic. But I surely don't believe it would be a god of the bible.

Since: Feb 13

United States

#2724 Feb 13, 2013
Mad Christian wrote:
I'm a Christian and even I think that Christians are jerks usually. Most don't live full lives. They all worry about pleasing jesus, and just forgot about everything important in their life.Atheism is growing and I totally understand why. I've been thinking about converting.
You don't have to "convert" brother. You just have to find happiness and love in yourself rather than in a falsified higher power.
Mr.Blackstone

Chatsworth, GA

#2725 Feb 14, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text>The fredom of what? Christians are as free as it gets, we have life in the fullest way and life forever, THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS

Someone one day found the comedian W.C. Feild's reading the Bible and asked what he was doing. His reply was "just looking for loopholes, just looking for loopholes." There are a lot of people who read with the same intention of disregarding any evidence. After all we are so much more advance than they were 1,950 years ago when this ancient book was written.

There are only three options to explain our existence, one is to believe in God, another is agnosticism which states their may be a God but I haven't found proof. The last is atheism where one will state they know God does not exist. This is not just a non- belief in God but a willful denial of his existence. Agnosticism is where one admits that they do not know if God exists, not having the proof or that there is a personal God who has always existed.

No one is born an atheist, they learn NOT to believe, just as one learns to believe. People choose to become atheists as much as they choose to become Christians, unfortunately they usually disbelieve by default. Hopefully one become s Christian because of evidence.

Atheism is natural to man, it is the most comfortable position. It is a reflection of his depraved state being engulfed in sin. The Bible states: the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Why, because there is so much evidence to the contrary? No, it is more of a hopeful out look so that they will not be accountable to anyone or for anything they have done.

God is aware of the atheist while the atheist is not aware of God. In response he says Psalm 14:1-2 The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God.”

No matter how strenuously some may try to deny it, atheism is a belief system. It requires just as much faith (believing) to embrace that God does not exist, even more belief than a Christian would need to believe he does exist. Atheism has made a secular belief system (religion/philosophy) of having no God and their focus is usually nature. God's creation has replaced the one who made it. An atheist must assume that personal unique intricate living organisms arose from impersonal disorderly chaos. Something had to come from nothing. They have no explanation for a beginning of when or why. There is no purpose in what we see and call creation. Atheism assumes that the potential gives rise to the actual. Reality shows that something actualized the potential itself. All Potentials have an actualizer. Scrap iron from a junk yard does not form itself into an airplane or a building without some thing that is able to put it to order. All designs have a designer, and the universe has proven to be incredibly designed. Even the minutest organism is more complex than the space shuttle.
The bottom portion of your post is known as the "argument from design" aka teleological argument.
The Teleological Argument or Argument from Final Consequences relies on a reversal of cause and effect.
Form
Person A makes a claim that order in the universe appears to exceed the capabilities of humans.
Person A asserts that order implies design.
Person A claims that design requires a designer.
Person A concludes that the universe requires a designer.
Explanation
The teleological argument is an old apologetic argument and is considered weak, even in its modern incarnations. It is true that everything of human creation has a designer and appears ordered; but it cannot be concluded that the appearance of order necessarily proves the existence of a designer. For example, the argument ignores the possibility of self-organizing systems.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2726 Feb 14, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The fredom of what? Christians are as free as it gets, we have life in the fullest way and life forever, THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS
Someone one day found the comedian W.C. Feild's reading the Bible and asked what he was doing. His reply was "just looking for loopholes, just looking for loopholes." There are a lot of people who read with the same intention of disregarding any evidence. After all we are so much more advance than they were 1,950 years ago when this ancient book was written.
There are only three options to explain our existence, one is to believe in God, another is agnosticism which states their may be a God but I haven't found proof. The last is atheism where one will state they know God does not exist. This is not just a non- belief in God but a willful denial of his existence. Agnosticism is where one admits that they do not know if God exists, not having the proof or that there is a personal God who has always existed.
No one is born an atheist, they learn NOT to believe, just as one learns to believe. People choose to become atheists as much as they choose to become Christians, unfortunately they usually disbelieve by default. Hopefully one become s Christian because of evidence.
Atheism is natural to man, it is the most comfortable position. It is a reflection of his depraved state being engulfed in sin. The Bible states: the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Why, because there is so much evidence to the contrary? No, it is more of a hopeful out look so that they will not be accountable to anyone or for anything they have done.
God is aware of the atheist while the atheist is not aware of God. In response he says Psalm 14:1-2 The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God.”
No matter how strenuously some may try to deny it, atheism is a belief system. It requires just as much faith (believing) to embrace that God does not exist, even more belief than a Christian would need to believe he does exist. Atheism has made a secular belief system (religion/philosophy) of having no God and their focus is usually nature. God's creation has replaced the one who made it. An atheist must assume that personal unique intricate living organisms arose from impersonal disorderly chaos. Something had to come from nothing. They have no explanation for a beginning of when or why. There is no purpose in what we see and call creation. Atheism assumes that the potential gives rise to the actual. Reality shows that something actualized the potential itself. All Potentials have an actualizer. Scrap iron from a junk yard does not form itself into an airplane or a building without some thing that is able to put it to order. All designs have a designer, and the universe has proven to be incredibly designed. Even the minutest organism is more complex than the space shuttle.
Freedom from the fear of hell. Freedom from the fear of someone watching you all the time. Freedom of self reliance that you cannot understand using the crutch of a god. Freedom from the need to work for some imaginary life after death.
For the umpteenth time atheism is not a belief system - it is a lack of belief. You cannot teach a lack of belief. All babies are born with no belief. They only get beliefs when they are taught. Before a child is taught to believe, what does it believe? The clear answer is nothing - that is atheism. What do babies believe before they can talk - nothing - they are atheists. You are presumably an aleprechaun. No one has taught you to believe in leprechauns so the belief doesn't exist in you. That is exactly the same as atheism. No one has taught us that there is a god so we have no belief in one. It is not a conscious choice to make. It is simply the default state.

Since: Jul 10

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#2727 Feb 14, 2013
church of Christ Minister wrote:
My friend, PLEASE understand the harm you are doing the cause of Christ.
<quoted text>
Since you say you're a preacher please tell us where you preach and your name, as any preacher would be more than willing to tell people that. I have a question which I would like for you to answer and that is do you believe churches like the catholic and pentecostals and all the other churches are worshipping according to the word of God and do you feel that musical instruments are acceptable to be added to worship. Again why would you be interested in my W-9. So stop ignoring this question if you're truly a preacher as if you don't answer it it just shows what a fraud you are.
Working for the Lord

Jackson, TN

#2728 Feb 14, 2013
@Working for The Lord

f you you are a piece of shat
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2729 Feb 14, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Since you say you're a preacher please tell us where you preach and your name, as any preacher would be more than willing to tell people that. I have a question which I would like for you to answer and that is do you believe churches like the catholic and pentecostals and all the other churches are worshipping according to the word of God and do you feel that musical instruments are acceptable to be added to worship. Again why would you be interested in my W-9. So stop ignoring this question if you're truly a preacher as if you don't answer it it just shows what a fraud you are.
A bunch of trivia. Abandon your indoctrination and revert to being an atheist as you were born.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2730 Feb 14, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Since you say you're a preacher please tell us where you preach and your name, as any preacher would be more than willing to tell people that. I have a question which I would like for you to answer and that is do you believe churches like the catholic and pentecostals and all the other churches are worshipping according to the word of God and do you feel that musical instruments are acceptable to be added to worship. Again why would you be interested in my W-9. So stop ignoring this question if you're truly a preacher as if you don't answer it it just shows what a fraud you are.
You're the fraud you sack of trash.
Quick Laugh

Odessa, TX

#2731 Feb 14, 2013

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2732 Feb 14, 2013
Here's an impressive video:

God Is No Father by Number0neSon

auxlax

Monessen, PA

#2733 Feb 15, 2013

Get over it it cant save you
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2735 Feb 15, 2013
It seems that "Working" has abandoned his flock. He is no longer a fisher of men. The sheeple are free!
Free at last - enjoy it.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2736 Feb 15, 2013
The New Testament came into being gradually also, although the books themselves were written in a comparatively short period of time[ A.D. 50-100 ] These books were simply letters penned by inspired men and addresed to different churches and individuals. There are many ways to make sure what you're reading today is accurate by using the manuscripts that we have and Textual or lower Criticism, eyewitnesses and other tools we have. This alone should give peace of mind that what you're reading is from God. Copies of the New Testament alone range in the thousands,approximately 5,000, not to say all are in a complete form. Most of the manuscripts do not contain the entire New Testament for the simple reason that a hand- produced copy of the whole was to bulky for practical use. When one of the writers in the New Testament completed his writng it was sent on to the churches to be read to the congregation and past on to others to make sure all had the chance to read the letter.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#2737 Feb 15, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
The New Testament came into being gradually also, although the books themselves were written in a comparatively short period of time[ A.D. 50-100 ] These books were simply letters penned by inspired men and addresed to different churches and individuals. There are many ways to make sure what you're reading today is accurate by using the manuscripts that we have and Textual or lower Criticism, eyewitnesses and other tools we have. This alone should give peace of mind that what you're reading is from God. Copies of the New Testament alone range in the thousands,approximately 5,000, not to say all are in a complete form. Most of the manuscripts do not contain the entire New Testament for the simple reason that a hand- produced copy of the whole was to bulky for practical use. When one of the writers in the New Testament completed his writng it was sent on to the churches to be read to the congregation and past on to others to make sure all had the chance to read the letter.
Congrats you've managed to have someone start a thread about you! Oh well I guess it was only a matter of time when you make enough waves with the crazy topix people as I have before.
Cigarette Steve

Jackson, TN

#2738 Feb 15, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
The New Testament came into being gradually also, although the books themselves were written in a comparatively short period of time[ A.D. 50-100 ] These books were simply letters penned by inspired men and addresed to different churches and individuals. There are many ways to make sure what you're reading today is accurate by using the manuscripts that we have and Textual or lower Criticism, eyewitnesses and other tools we have. This alone should give peace of mind that what you're reading is from God. Copies of the New Testament alone range in the thousands,approximately 5,000, not to say all are in a complete form. Most of the manuscripts do not contain the entire New Testament for the simple reason that a hand- produced copy of the whole was to bulky for practical use. When one of the writers in the New Testament completed his writng it was sent on to the churches to be read to the congregation and past on to others to make sure all had the chance to read the letter.
lol you're wasting your time and breath you piece of shittttt

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2739 Feb 16, 2013
Cigarette Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
lol you're wasting your time and breath you piece of shittttt
On you it's possible. Why don't you go to the nearest Church of Christ and learn about the love God has for you and a life he wishes for you now and for eternity.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2740 Feb 16, 2013
Anglican clergyman, Dr Daniel Featly,(who was one of the translators of the King James@Bible) wrote in 1645 of the Churches of Christ meeting in London and elsewhere in his work the 'Dippers Dipt', took those congregations back to 1525 when he quotes from them "That baptism ought to be received by none, but such as can give a good account of their faith; and in case any have been baptized in their infancy, that they ought to he re-baptized after they come to years of discretion, before they are to be admitted to the Church of Christ." These churches in the 1600s were in communication with other churches of Christ in America, nearly two hundred years before Campbell!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2741 Feb 16, 2013
The churches of Christ (Romans 16:16) do not follow the Roman Gospel which originated in paganism, several hundred years after the first church of Christ assembled in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost after the Resurrection, who followed the Jerusalem Gospel. It is an error to confuse the churches of Christ with the Protestant Reformation, they are not Reformers but restorationists, who hold to the Word of God in all maters of faith and practice. For the pre-Reformation Roman Catholics it was sin, the reformation Anglicans, Protestants, Lutherans, Zwinglian, Calvinist and Roman Catholics all held that the churches of Christ were in sin, and through persecution many Christians died at the hands of the Reformers and Roman Catholics - there was nowhere to flee, except prayer. The Reformers and Roman Catholics held to the alliance of Church and State and denied Free-Will, the churches of Christ opposed this, confirming Free-Will and separation of Church and State, which made them criminals twice over. The Reformers holding fast to the doctrine of Church and State forced this through infant baptism (infant baptism is pagan in origin).

Since: Jul 10

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#2742 Feb 16, 2013
The charges made against Christians through time can be paraphrased as follows;
1/ Rejection of infant baptism, their defence was that infants are without sin and that a person through their own choice should decide whether they wish to be baptised and wash away their sins, proclaiming the message of God’s grace and the free will of man.
2/ Rejection of the Eucharist as a sacrifice, their defence was that the Lord’s supper was not a sacrifice but a memorial to be taken on the first day of the week.
3/ Rejection of the Old Testament and certain New Testament passages, their defence was that they held all the scriptures sacred, but the Word of God needed to be rightly divided, the formal Priesthood of the Old Testament did not apply in the Christian era was one example.
4/ Rejection of church buildings and altars, their defence was that any place was a suitable place of Worship.
5/ Rejection of idols and images, their defence was that this practice was contrary to the Word of God.
6/ Rejection of sprinkling or pouring as a mode of baptism, their defence was that immersion was commanded in the Word of God.
7/ Rejection of a separate priesthood and clergy, their defence was that all were equal in Christ, proclaiming the 'Universal Priesthood of Believers.
8/ Rejection of prayers for the dead, holy days and good works (without faith, Ephesians 2:8-10 ), their defence was that these were contrary to the Word of God.
9/ Rejection of celibacy, the defence was that this was contrary to the Word of God.
10/ Rejection of the hierarchy of Bishops, the defence was that congregations were autonomous, being overseen by a plurality of Elders (Bishops).
11/ Another accusation made time and time again was the crime of heresy of Manichaeism, which goes back to a heretic named Manes or Mani who died around 276. This charge has always been strongly denied, evidence suggests that this was a contrived charge to gain quick conviction. One problem the authorities have always had with true believers who use the scriptures as a justification was that their defence could be seen publicly, therefore charges of Gnosticism and Manichaeism were often bought to gain a fast conviction, usually followed by death by burning.
12/ Witchcraft, especially for women including the crime of flying on broomsticks. The penalty for this was burning.
Did early ‘churches of Christ’ use the instrument for music in their assembly? No, they did not. The instrument problem is a recent one and does not affect the time period we are looking at, having only become common place since the late 1800s.
Such were the complaints made and such was the defence (a return to scripture as the authority for the church and the Christian). Their defence by scripture was rejected by the authorities and banned. The traditions of the Catholic church would set the standard and many thousands died because they refused to obey the Pope.
The writer believes the Bible to be the very Word of God revealed and made available for all mankind. The writer has rejected modern (and not so modern) evolutionary theories believing in the Genesis account of six day creation less than 10,000 years ago. This reflects in the time periods and conclusions made of pre-Roman Celtic and Scandinavian Europe.
Neither statements can change the ultimate conclusions reached as these are dependent on known history since the time of Christ and the Bible.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#2743 Feb 16, 2013
Final part,

For many people today when presented with the numerous Christian denominations are totally confused, and rightly so. Calvinism and Catholicism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, Anglicans and Baptists, and many, many more, in fact hundreds of ‘Christian’ denominations claim to hold to Biblical truth, yet their doctrines (as their opponents will happily point out) contradict sound Bible teaching. Yet in the beginning there was one church based on the teaching of Christ through His apostles, as written and handed down through the Bible. So how has this confusion come about and when did it happen? This survey will attempt to show how this has happened, the struggle of Christians who were faithful in opposing this, and lastly to show that it is possible still to Worship God in the manner that He expects.

In fact in view of all of this confusion the writer believes that the only way to get back to the truth is to use the Bible, in seeking answers about the Christian Faith. It would take a lifetime to check each and every denomination and to work out the history of their particular doctrines, it is far easier and safer to go to the Bible direct and to ignore the teachings and traditions of men.

In the Bible the inspired writers claim that Jesus is none other than the Christ, God Himself. The New Testament teaches that salvation is through Christ, so all mankind needs and is obliged to check these statements found in Holy Scripture. And we must reach the right conclusion, for if the Bible is right and we get it wrong we will spend eternity outside of Heaven and outside of the fellowship of God. Clearly the most important task of any responsible person is to check the claims made in the Bible and to act accordingly.

The people who are written about wore no name other than ‘Christian’. For convenience in this study we will use the same term and refer to the congregations who met together to Worship the Lord as ‘churches of Christ’. This description was given in Paul’s letter to the Romans in chapter sixteen verse sixteen. The term ‘church of Christ’ is a common designation made in the English language referring to those churches who are ‘in Christ’.

The 'church of Christ' is none other than Christians who make up the body of Christ, His spiritual Kingdom on Earth.

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