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Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2396 Feb 4, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Next he'll be accusing you of lacking reading comprehension like the other creationist said to me. LOL
I accused you once, you accuse yourself every time you open your mouth.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2399 Feb 4, 2013
EvolutionMan wrote:
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I try to not be as forward as some of the other guys on here..
I can have a discussion with you, the other two are just pricks trying to sound intelligent.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2400 Feb 4, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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I am referring your magic sky daddy not because I have a chip on my shoulder, but because that is what you are asserting. You are asserting that a male being is the father of all creation and that he made everything via magical incantation. Ergo, magic sky daddy.
I may not be the most intelligent man alive but I know I am more intelligent than you. At least I do not cling to childhood fairy tales as an explanation for something I do not understand.
You having to proclaim your intelligence tells me all I need to know about you. I am glad you told me though, otherwise I would just have thought you were a dumb smart ass.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2401 Feb 4, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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The word for it is ridicule. I do not base my arguments on ridicule but I do use them to drive home the absurdity of your magic sky daddy hypothesis.
Again, thanks for the clarification.
EvolutionMan

Jackson, TN

#2405 Feb 4, 2013
Cyclist, do you have any questions about anything we have mentioned? Around how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2406 Feb 5, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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I'm not proclaiming anything, I'm eviscerating your arguments with sound logic and that makes you look less intelligent because you are less knowledgeable in this area of study. You need to change the subject away from your faulty reasoning and toward some aspect of my writing that you dislike tells me all I need to know about you. You are just like Working for the Lord, when the heat gets to much you run instead of facing the fire.
I have not run from anything friend, as "eviscerated" as you say my arguments have been, you have yet to prove any of yours.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2407 Feb 5, 2013
EvolutionMan wrote:
Cyclist, do you have any questions about anything we have mentioned? Around how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
I'm 48. It just seems to me evolutionists/naturalists seem to do the very thing they accuse creationists of doing by using the god of the gaps theory, only they replace God with natural selection.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2408 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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I'm 48. It just seems to me evolutionists/naturalists seem to do the very thing they accuse creationists of doing by using the god of the gaps theory, only they replace God with natural selection.
NO certainly not. When science plugs a gap it is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. When creationists use god to fill a gap is is just because they want it to be that way. Think of floods and volcanoes at the time of the bible. The local peasants thought they were caused by god because they had nothing else to fill the gap. Science has now filled that gap and many others.
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2409 Feb 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> There cannot be religion if religion didn't exsist, because life as we know it has only exsisted for about 6-10,000 years.
Let's get this straight. You are saying that the thousands of scientists who have devoted their lives over centuries to study, and are unanimous in their acceptance of the proof that homo sapiens is 3.5 to 7 million years old is false. You claim that their peer reviewed work and their ancient fossils are all rubbish. You claim that 99% of intelligent life on this planet is wrong and that your church alone is right. You claim this based on what evidence? I suggest no evidence - just a few poetic verses in an old book. Which sounds more reasonable and logical to you? The old bronze age poetry or the millions of man hours spent by the most educated scholars on the planet proving their facts?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2410 Feb 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> What about the things you shouldn't had done in your life, should he stopped you in doing things you shouldn't have done? Is it God's fault when you or someone else kills somebody? You have a freewill but you prefer God to intervene when you think he should, my friend freewill doesn't work that way.
Should he have stopped the shooting in Newtown? If he existed and had the power, yes. If he chose not to then I have no time for him. If he doesn't exist, the results we see of his intervention are exactly what we would expect - none. If you believe he exists but plays no part in human life, then you are a deist - so why pray?

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2411 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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Go back and read some of your own post. Your words prove it for me. Look at according to reasons use of sarcasm and condescension to try and make his point. His words prove it as well.
In other words you have none. At least you're consistent.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2412 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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I can have a discussion with you, the other two are just pricks trying to sound intelligent.
These guys are so predictable See the prediction in Post 2381

"And, after they have exhausted those ten(and some others), they will usually resort to their favorite:

Argumentum ad hominem. The fallacy that insulting your opponent is a substitute for refuting their ideas, eg, you are mad/possessed by Shaitan/too stupid to understand Islam, etc."

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2413 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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I can have a discussion with you, the other two are just pricks trying to sound intelligent.
"....I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem".

- Christopher Hitchens

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2414 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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I'm 48. It just seems to me evolutionists/naturalists seem to do the very thing they accuse creationists of doing by using the god of the gaps theory, only they replace God with natural selection.
"god of the gaps" is not a theory. Does this show your lack of understanding science? It's a variation of the informal fallacy argumentum ad ignorantium, or argument from ignorance.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

or

http://www.theopedia.com/God_of_the_Gaps

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2415 Feb 5, 2013
Auntie Theist wrote:
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Should he have stopped the shooting in Newtown? If he existed and had the power, yes. If he chose not to then I have no time for him. If he doesn't exist, the results we see of his intervention are exactly what we would expect - none. If you believe he exists but plays no part in human life, then you are a deist - so why pray?
This reminds me of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

And here is a lovely interpretation:

http://kneedeepincode.com/topics/epicurus%E2%...
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#2418 Feb 5, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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Wrong, natural selection is an understood mechanism, god explains nothing and is synonymous with magic.
The problem lies with your inability to either learn or understand natural selection. Here is an example of natural selection, two male deer are in the woods eating. Suddenly a predator attacks and they run. The deer who runs the slowest gets eaten and the deer that ran the fastest gets to make babies which now possess his DNA for running fast. Over time NATURE SELECTS for the fast runner genes and you end up with deer able to run up to 40 miles per hour, jump 9 foot fences, and swim 13 miles per hour.
You can't grasp that concept it seems, so instead of admitting you don't know how the deer got that way you appeal to your own ignorance and claim "there is no natural way deer could suddenly appear running and jumping and swimming" so they must have gotten that way via magic. You realize that's silly so you think that by naming the magician you have solved the mystery. You have done so such thing.
You misunderstand what I believe. I do believe in creation, I also believe that natural selection occurs and that organisms evolve. For example, I realize that dominant traits generally will eventually become the norm within a certain group set over time and that in general recessive traits will be the exception and not the rule over time.

The difference is I do not believe that natural selection and evolution are its own cause. I believe God created these processes to act within the laws of nature. That natural selection and evolution do not preclude a creator.

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#2421 Feb 5, 2013
According to Reason wrote:
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I am referring your magic sky daddy not because I have a chip on my shoulder, but because that is what you are asserting. You are asserting that a male being is the father of all creation and that he made everything via magical incantation. Ergo, magic sky daddy.
I may not be the most intelligent man alive but I know I am more intelligent than you. At least I do not cling to childhood fairy tales as an explanation for something I do not understand.
Sky daddy's name is on your money that you use to pay your bills and buy your science books, and pretty much on everything else that matters. So a fairy tale that you do not subscribe to but the world does, now who again is believing in fairy tales?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2422 Feb 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
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You misunderstand what I believe. I do believe in creation, I also believe that natural selection occurs and that organisms evolve. For example, I realize that dominant traits generally will eventually become the norm within a certain group set over time and that in general recessive traits will be the exception and not the rule over time.
The difference is I do not believe that natural selection and evolution are its own cause. I believe God created these processes to act within the laws of nature. That natural selection and evolution do not preclude a creator.
Why would your god take 13.7 billion years to create the human brain?
Auntie Theist

Tucker, GA

#2423 Feb 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Sky daddy's name is on your money that you use to pay your bills and buy your science books, and pretty much on everything else that matters. So a fairy tale that you do not subscribe to but the world does, now who again is believing in fairy tales?
Yes, but only on the dollars since the knee jerk reaction to communism in 1954 - a violation of the constitution which will be challenged. I am suggesting that "In Ganesh we trust" be on the currency instead - I'm sure you'll agree with that as a truly religious person.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#2424 Feb 5, 2013
Auntie Theist wrote:
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Yes, but only on the dollars since the knee jerk reaction to communism in 1954 - a violation of the constitution which will be challenged. I am suggesting that "In Ganesh we trust" be on the currency instead - I'm sure you'll agree with that as a truly religious person.
I would like to see:

"The Dude Abides"

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