Why does the Church of Christ support...
Cyclist

United States

#21 Dec 31, 2012
I was blind now I see wrote:
My Church of Christ brethern has refused to answer the qustions.
Is it a sin to gamble?
Is the lottery a form of gambling?
Is it a sin for a Christian to sign up for money that came from gambling?
Does not the Church of Chist preach"do not let your soul be your guide-only the word of God"?
Very simple Questions.
I can't see how this is judging when you ask to clarify a position. I think the judging sometimes is a cop out. We like to condem other sins,but when we have sins that benefits us, we just ignore it.
whatever dude. why dont you and working for the lord go hang out and watch some jule miller film strips or work on some open bible studies.
I was blind now I see

Memphis, TN

#22 Dec 31, 2012
Cyclist wrote:
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whatever dude. why dont you and working for the lord go hang out and watch some jule miller film strips or work on some open bible studies.
Hey "cyclist" why do you want to be a smartalek. Usually when someone has no answers they start hollering or name calling. If you do not have anything useful to say just keep your mouth shut.
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#23 Jan 2, 2013
I was blind now I see wrote:
My Church of Christ brethern has refused to answer the qustions.
Is it a sin to gamble?
Is the lottery a form of gambling?
Is it a sin for a Christian to sign up for money that came from gambling?
Does not the Church of Chist preach"do not let your soul be your guide-only the word of God"?
Very simple Questions.
I can't see how this is judging when you ask to clarify a position. I think the judging sometimes is a cop out. We like to condem other sins,but when we have sins that benefits us, we just ignore it.
I'll tackle this one. Gambling is sin. Putting up money on a chance of winning a prize is wrong. This is an example of not being good stewards. The lottery falls under this category. Signing up for lottery scholarship money is not sin because I didn't put anything up to win the money. Your implying Christians should boycott the lottery scholarship based on our biblical objections to gambling. If we go down that road we must not buy gas or groceries because of our biblical objection to alcohol.
The bible must be our guide. Our feelings and emotions are misleading. We need to be sure our feelings are based on what we know from the bible. Let the stone throwing begin.
Cyclist

United States

#24 Jan 2, 2013
Mitch wrote:
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I'll tackle this one. Gambling is sin. Putting up money on a chance of winning a prize is wrong. This is an example of not being good stewards. The lottery falls under this category. Signing up for lottery scholarship money is not sin because I didn't put anything up to win the money. Your implying Christians should boycott the lottery scholarship based on our biblical objections to gambling. If we go down that road we must not buy gas or groceries because of our biblical objection to alcohol.
The bible must be our guide. Our feelings and emotions are misleading. We need to be sure our feelings are based on what we know from the bible. Let the stone throwing begin.
Very good analogy Mitch.
Cyclist

United States

#25 Jan 2, 2013
The better question is why anyone supports FHU at all. And yes, I am coC and went to a coC university, just not Jesus Tech.
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#26 Jan 2, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
The better question is why anyone supports FHU at all. And yes, I am coC and went to a coC university, just not Jesus Tech.
I can't answer to that. I never went to Fhu. Im sure there is good and bad happening there. I have friends that went there. I know some that act "spiritually elite". I don't know if that's an Fhu thing or not. Sometimes when asked if i went to Fhu I reply "no but I still believed Im saved." A lot of folks fail to see the humor in that. Also when talking about the plan of salvation I sometimes say hear, believe, repent, confess, baptism and attend Fhu. I think that's funny. Im not down on Fhu or any Christian school. I just try to make light of the holier than thou attitude I see and hear from 22 year olds that think they know everything.
Yup

Tucker, GA

#27 Jan 2, 2013
Y'all better get that bridle back on and let the elite steer you. You know they can condem you to hell right?
What

Ava, MO

#28 Jan 2, 2013
I was blind now I see wrote:
One of the things that I notice about my brothers and sisters is that they like to point fingers at other churches and doom them to hell for their sins, but can't look at their own.
1.The money goes directly into an account(not the general fund of the state)from lottery players.
2.When the lottery passed, FHU sent an envoy to Nashville to make sure private colleges got their fair share!
3.How can Church Elders reject a member giving lottery money to the church, than their own children accept lottery money.
It sounds a little hypocritical to me. Now don't use the argument you do not know where it comes from. I know that alot of members were in prayer sessions hoping that the state would clean it up for them. They was wanting it to go into the general fund than back out. Now please explain how this is right.
On the day of Judgement how can you say that you use lottery money, while a gambling addict family suffered so that you could get a good education to make more money!!!!
Yes continue to gamble and cast lots just like they did at the foot of the Cross.
Just Me

Jackson, TN

#29 Jan 2, 2013
Correction for Just Me: FHU started in 1869. It was funny that the universities that get lottery money did raise their tuition to create a windfall in dollars ... but the same thing happened in the state colleges/universities as well as the Christian colleges/universities.
I was blind now I see wrote:
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So Union University was founded in 1823 and FHU was started in 1823 than the name change in 1919. I think your the one that is naive. The lottery started in 2004. So I guess God use poor people to fund these colleges so that rich kids could attend. All these colleges did was raise the tuition in reponse to the lottery.
Just Me

Jackson, TN

#30 Jan 2, 2013
LOL...... LOVE IT Cyclist!!! lol
Cyclist wrote:
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whatever dude. why dont you and working for the lord go hang out and watch some jule miller film strips or work on some open bible studies.
Just Me

Jackson, TN

#31 Jan 2, 2013
Hey Was Blind ... work on your English. "Are there any" not "Is there any." This is not rocket science dude ... it's 6 grade English.

Was Blind must be that Tea Party sign painter that knows how to fix the global economy but not smart enough to speak or write correct English.

It really makes me believe you ... NOT!!!
I was blind now I see wrote:
Is their any FHU people on here? I would like some COC brthern to defend themselves. Otherwise it must be true. If you say let your soul be your guide with the lottery scholarship, than why do you preach do not let your soul be your guide?
If I robbed a bank and kept the money than I would go to hell if I did not repent and give the money back? That is what is prached on sunday. So if I knowingly signed up to take a gambler losses. I should go to hell because of this, right.
So if a pimp walked into church and wanted to give money that he made from his prostitutes. Would you take it? I got an idea let's make a scholarship out of it and get FHU to support it. Than it's OK.
Just Me

Jackson, TN

#32 Jan 2, 2013
Was Blind ... why do you give a shit about our Christian Schools - Union, FHU, DLU, Lane, Belmont and others?

Ok, you didn't go to FHU, so why in HELL do you care. Let the schools set tuition where they need to. They are (you probably want to use your word "their" here) just trying to operate with a positive cash flow. Forget your "angered" religious beliefs and leave others alone.

Reading your weird use of facts makes me think that you're (you probably think that "your" is correct here) Bill Way. lol He uses facts but they are (you probably want to use your word ... "their") rarely correct and he it doesn't stop him from broadcasting it publicly.
I was blind now I see wrote:
This is disturbing about what I have found. Just some facts:
1.FHU has received over 2.1 million from the lottery.
2. Union University 4.1 million.
3.Lipscomb 4.8 million
4..53cent return on prizes per dollar.
5. Incomes under 13000 spend 9% on lotteries
Now my brethern how can you live with yourself knowing that this money mostly came from the poor!! You are committing sin by reaping the benefits of this poor tax. You sign up and take money from the poor than use it to your advantge to stay away from the poor and the minorities!! You send your kids to private schools so that they want be around the poor, but use the poor's money to send them to school. How shameful. Just remember Jesus was accepted by the poor, but you reject them.
NOW ANSWER FOR I COME ASKING!!!!
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#34 Jan 2, 2013
Just Me wrote:
LOL...... LOVE IT Cyclist!!! lol
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Oh yeah. How could I forget the Joy Bus that picked up all the lil black chilrens for church and cookies.
Gambling Is Not Sin

Jackson, TN

#35 Jan 5, 2013
Mitch wrote:
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I'll tackle this one. Gambling is sin. Putting up money on a chance of winning a prize is wrong. This is an example of not being good stewards. The lottery falls under this category. Signing up for lottery scholarship money is not sin because I didn't put anything up to win the money. Your implying Christians should boycott the lottery scholarship based on our biblical objections to gambling. If we go down that road we must not buy gas or groceries because of our biblical objection to alcohol.
The bible must be our guide. Our feelings and emotions are misleading. We need to be sure our feelings are based on what we know from the bible. Let the stone throwing begin.
Give me book, chapter and verse where gambling is sin. It may be stupid but the Bible never condemns STUPID.

Stop thumping that Bible you zealot.
Good Puppy

Jackson, TN

#36 Jan 5, 2013
Cyclist wrote:
The better question is why anyone supports FHU at all. And yes, I am coC and went to a coC university, just not Jesus Tech.
Interesting that you have a condemning and judgmental spirit. You condemn FHU for what you think it is. You remind me of the Pharisees and Sadducees more than the FHU folks.
Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#37 Jan 5, 2013
Good Puppy wrote:
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Interesting that you have a condemning and judgmental spirit. You condemn FHU for what you think it is. You remind me of the Pharisees and Sadducees more than the FHU folks.
That's probably true and I apologize. I do know some people who went to FHU that are some very good people. I may have let a few bad apples color my views.
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#38 Jan 5, 2013
Gambling Is Not Sin wrote:
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Give me book, chapter and verse where gambling is sin. It may be stupid but the Bible never condemns STUPID.
Stop thumping that Bible you zealot.
You want book chapter and verse but you don't want me to thump a bible????

Matthew 6:24 (ESV)
24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Hebrews 13:5 (ESV)
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said,“I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

1 Timothy 6:10 (ESV)
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

Proverbs 13:11 (ESV)
11 Wealth gained hastily will dwindle,
but whoever gathers little by little will increase it.

Ecclesiastes 5:10 (ESV)
10 He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity.

Lets get real am I seeking to glorify God or myself by gambling? God has given us the means to judge our motives and justify our decisions. Romans 14:23 states, "...everything that does not come from faith is sin." Now that's pretty clear!

The bible does not say "thou shall not look at pornography or do meth" either. Is that ok?
I was blind but now I see

Milan, TN

#39 Jan 5, 2013
Mitch, now, if you think that gambling is wrong, how can you justify benefiting from it? You are not required to sign up for the lottery scholarship. You actually have to fill it out and send it in. Now, Cyclist thought that you had a good analogy. If I drive to work, I most likely am driving on a road paid with some type of sales tax. I buy groceries at Wal-Mart that has alcohol in it. However, you are signing up for something that comes purely from sinful actions when you do not have to. It seems that you are getting something that you did not work for.
My only beef is that the Church of Christ and other churches fought to keep gambling out of the state, then they turned around and said it was fine for its members to accept money from it. I believe that, as Christians, we are supposed to set examples by setting ourselves apart from the world.

P.S. "Just Me," please check my grammar and punctuations to make sure they are acceptable to you. You know, a person can have knowledge without having perfect grammar. Consider Moses.

Cyclist

Jackson, TN

#40 Jan 5, 2013
I was blind but now I see wrote:
Mitch, now, if you think that gambling is wrong, how can you justify benefiting from it? You are not required to sign up for the lottery scholarship. You actually have to fill it out and send it in. Now, Cyclist thought that you had a good analogy. If I drive to work, I most likely am driving on a road paid with some type of sales tax. I buy groceries at Wal-Mart that has alcohol in it. However, you are signing up for something that comes purely from sinful actions when you do not have to. It seems that you are getting something that you did not work for.
My only beef is that the Church of Christ and other churches fought to keep gambling out of the state, then they turned around and said it was fine for its members to accept money from it. I believe that, as Christians, we are supposed to set examples by setting ourselves apart from the world.
P.S. "Just Me," please check my grammar and punctuations to make sure they are acceptable to you. You know, a person can have knowledge without having perfect grammar. Consider Moses.
Why aren't you at the Jule Miller film festival at north Jackson coC?
Mitch

Jackson, TN

#41 Jan 5, 2013
I was blind but now I see wrote:
Mitch, now, if you think that gambling is wrong, how can you justify benefiting from it? You are not required to sign up for the lottery scholarship. You actually have to fill it out and send it in. Now, Cyclist thought that you had a good analogy. If I drive to work, I most likely am driving on a road paid with some type of sales tax. I buy groceries at Wal-Mart that has alcohol in it. However, you are signing up for something that comes purely from sinful actions when you do not have to. It seems that you are getting something that you did not work for.
My only beef is that the Church of Christ and other churches fought to keep gambling out of the state, then they turned around and said it was fine for its members to accept money from it. I believe that, as Christians, we are supposed to set examples by setting ourselves apart from the world.
P.S. "Just Me," please check my grammar and punctuations to make sure they are acceptable to you. You know, a person can have knowledge without having perfect grammar. Consider Moses.
you make a very valid point. I'll go a bit further with my thinking on this. It's similar to meat being sacrificed to idols. There's nothing wrong with eating it. Be thankful to God for it. However if there is a brother that could stumble it's better not to partake in it. We don't really have to deal with that today. I believe it's similar to the lottery money. I believe I do need to be careful about lottery money if it causes someone to be turned off to God. Taking lottery money in itself is not wrong because its not a game of chance that i have bought into. There is nothing wrong with taking money that you do not work for as far as I know. We just need to be careful not to be a stumbling block.

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