Christians: Bring your arguments for ...
jake

United States

#21 Oct 18, 2012
billy graham cracker wrote:
Christians are against abortion but yet we are against welfare and handouts too after the child is born. Go figure.
Didnt jesus say to help the poor? Didnt jesus heal the sick for no pay, feed the poor for no pay? Yet in your post your saying that once a child is born, espically a poor child, then let it starve and be homeless. What God do you worship?

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#22 Oct 22, 2012
jason wrote:
Youre asking them to prove that God exist? Thats like asking you to prove that he doesnt exist. Neither side can prove it one way or the other. You must remember, the belief in god is 'faith'.
I believe that FlyingBiologist is referring tot he use of logic and formal arguments ("proofs") for the existences of God. As in a list of propositions that end in a "therefore" statement and a conclusion. Often it is taken to mean that the conclusion is true if all of the propositions are true. I don't think he means i tinthe playground "Nuh-UH...prove it!" kind of way that you are taking it.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#23 Oct 22, 2012
Jdbg25 wrote:
God is simple to explain. If you believe then God is real in your reality. If you don't believe in God then he does not exist in your reality. That's the best part about God. Your given a choice.
Sorry, but that is wrong. A true statement is true, regardless of who is reading it. By your logic, if I believe that pink unicorns are real, then they would really exist. But you imply that they would only exist in "my reality." That would mean that if I believe in pink unicorns and my friend does not and I was looking at a pink unicorn, he would not see it. That happens, yes, but they are called hallucinations. Hallucinations are not real, no matter who is seeing them.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#24 Oct 22, 2012
big ern wrote:
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Exactly. One's perception is one's reality. Folks who try to 'prove each other wrong' and other such nonsense are simply insecure. I couldn't care less whether someone believes in a god, three gods, twenty gods, or no god at all. Peace and love, peace and love.
So peace and love, peace and love...right up until a person's belief in a God causes him to strap a bomb to himself and detonate it in a crowd, or bomb abortion clinics full of innocent people?

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#25 Oct 22, 2012
And I Quote wrote:
The two tenants of atheism...there is no God and I hate Him" -Matt Chandler
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"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." --Thomas Jefferson

Yay, I can copy/paste quotes too! Seriously though, Matt Chandler? You could have picked a better source for a quote. Lastly, as an atheist, I do not hate the Judeo-Christian version of God any more than I hate Zeus, or Baal, or Thor. I hate the idea of religion in general, especially when said religion forces itself into my non-belief in the form of biased laws, woefully errant education, or terrorism.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#26 Oct 22, 2012
Cate wrote:
Believing in God is based on faith. The proof is all around you. My argument for you is if I'm wrong, as you think, I'll just lay in the ground. But if you're wrong you will spend an eternity in Hell. Something you should think about.
That's about as far from a rational argument as one can get, except for maybe arguing for the other side. FYI: telling an atheist that he is going to spend an eternity in Hell is like telling him his horoscope says he'll make lots of money today.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#27 Oct 22, 2012
jake wrote:
<quoted text>Didnt jesus say to help the poor? Didnt jesus heal the sick for no pay, feed the poor for no pay? Yet in your post your saying that once a child is born, espically a poor child, then let it starve and be homeless. What God do you worship?
S/he is drawing attention to the fact that the overwhelming tendency in America is to be both Christian and republican. The combination provides a mindset that supports children as embryos (against abortion), but couldn't care less about them as actual born children or teens (against welfare, social assistance). While s/he may be assuming a bit about an individuals religious views as related to their political views, s/he is entirely correct.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#28 Oct 22, 2012
ruksmann wrote:
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Have you nothing better to do? You won't convert them, just get them (and maybe you, too) riled.
Life is just too short for this kind of bullcrap. Until somebody confronts me, or mine, I let them do WTF they want. No harm.
I'll say the same thing I did in another post: What about when "you and yours" are sitting in a medical clinic, waiting to be seen for the flu or something and suddenly someone destroys the clinic with a bomb because there happens to be an abortion doctor's clinic somewhere inside? Or on another note, what about 9/11 and the loss of the World Trade Center building? That was due to belief in religion. Does that not confront in anyway? Regarding your first statement, although I understand where you are coming from, I am more than capable of having a rational discussion about the matter without getting worked up. It is usually my religious interlocutor that is unable to do so once his long-held beliefs are challenged. But if a person is able to tell me that I am going to Hell or that I deserve to, he damn sure better be able to defend that view.
guest

Jackson, TN

#29 Oct 23, 2012
WeaponizedReason wrote:
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I believe that FlyingBiologist is referring tot he use of logic and formal arguments ("proofs") for the existences of God. As in a list of propositions that end in a "therefore" statement and a conclusion. Often it is taken to mean that the conclusion is true if all of the propositions are true. I don't think he means i tinthe playground "Nuh-UH...prove it!" kind of way that you are taking it.
He's baaacck. Well rested after taking time off afer the last torching.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#30 Oct 25, 2012
guest wrote:
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He's baaacck. Well rested after taking time off afer the last torching.
Hmm. I don't understand. Could you elaborate?
guest

Jackson, TN

#31 Oct 27, 2012
No need. You know what's up.
guest

Jackson, TN

#32 Oct 28, 2012
WeaponizedReason wrote:
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Hmm. I don't understand. Could you elaborate?
No need. You know what's up.
God is not the problem

Jackson, TN

#33 Oct 28, 2012
The problem is organized religion and not god. Has humans we are programmed for greed that's why were still here. Some keep it in check some don't all across the spectrum.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#34 Oct 28, 2012
God is not the problem wrote:
The problem is organized religion and not god. Has humans we are programmed for greed that's why were still here. Some keep it in check some don't all across the spectrum.
I would certainly agree with you regarding organized religion! I would also say that bringing to light ideas that show why God (or at least the typical Judeo-Christian idea of God) is an impossibility is one of the steps on the road to elimination of organized religion.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#35 Oct 28, 2012
guest wrote:
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No need. You know what's up.
You're weird.
guest

Jackson, TN

#36 Oct 28, 2012
WeaponizedReason wrote:
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You're weird.
Yeah, OK there chief. Play dumb.
xyzxxx

Lees Summit, MO

#38 Oct 28, 2012
FlyingBiologist wrote:
Let's keep it civil. If you can't bring logical, thought-out arguments to the table and remain calm while you present them, please just don't bother. Don't get upset and resort to raging if something you have considered true your entire life turns out not to be.
Sober up you pathetic little worm.

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#39 Oct 28, 2012
guest wrote:
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Yeah, OK there chief. Play dumb.
Guess the moderators didn't like the language of my previous post. Let me try again: Dude, what the F**k are you talking about?

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#40 Oct 28, 2012
WeaponizedReason wrote:
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Guess the moderators didn't like the language of my previous post. Let me try again: Dude, what the F**k are you talking about?
LOL! Ahh, don't worry about him. If it's the same "guest" (aka "lol") that follows me around Topix, he's completely harmless. I like to call him my little sidekick!

Since: Oct 12

Jackson, TN

#41 Oct 28, 2012
xyzxxx wrote:
<quoted text>Sober up you pathetic little worm.
I assure you that I am completely sober. If you are the religious type, then I assert that it is you who is drunk. As George Bernard Shaw once said, "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." Why am I a "pathetic little worm?"

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