Englewood 2011-2012 Budget Proposal

Englewood 2011-2012 Budget Proposal

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Financial Planner

United States

#1 Aug 29, 2011
Well another 9% jump (411k) in the budget for Englewood. Budget now up to 5.2 million with debt also at 5.2 million.

Take heed, you better start paying down that debt that has not went down in 5 years while the giving has increased. When it starts to decrease and it will, you will have to make major cuts (see WJBC) and then by that time your pastor will be "called" away from the sinking church and you folks will be left with reduced membership and a mountain of debt.

It is common sense to pay down the debt during increased financial giving. Also, doubt you have anything close to a real budget breakdown. You would be surprised what happens in the dark. You get what you do not DEMAND to know.
WWJD

United States

#2 Aug 29, 2011
I heard not a single person showed up for budget discussion. This points to signs of why bother, nothing is going to change. No way I would take this as a positive sign if I were on staff but then again what do they expect with that generic budget they put out for review with absolutely no details other than broad categories.
truth

Jackson, TN

#3 Aug 29, 2011
Unless ya'll are members, who cares? And why is this on topix? They are a private institution, don't get any tax dollars, etc etc. Why do you people care about this?
CPA

Jackson, TN

#4 Aug 29, 2011
Churches do not pay some taxes so therefore they get tax incentives from the government because of their classification.
truth wrote:
Unless ya'll are members, who cares? And why is this on topix? They are a private institution, don't get any tax dollars, etc etc. Why do you people care about this?
u r so right

United States

#5 Aug 29, 2011
Financial Planner wrote:
Well another 9% jump (411k) in the budget for Englewood. Budget now up to 5.2 million with debt also at 5.2 million.
Take heed, you better start paying down that debt that has not went down in 5 years while the giving has increased. When it starts to decrease and it will, you will have to make major cuts (see WJBC) and then by that time your pastor will be "called" away from the sinking church and you folks will be left with reduced membership and a mountain of debt.
It is common sense to pay down the debt during increased financial giving. Also, doubt you have anything close to a real budget breakdown. You would be surprised what happens in the dark. You get what you do not DEMAND to know.
right on all points. huge problems. members could care less. look the other way. show up on Sun and do what money men say. they dictate. women aren't respected. done with englewood. had enough. ebc, quit mailing my family offering envelopes.

Since: Feb 11

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#6 Aug 30, 2011
u r so right wrote:
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right on all points. huge problems. members could care less. look the other way. show up on Sun and do what money men say. they dictate. women aren't respected. done with englewood. had enough. ebc, quit mailing my family offering envelopes.
Thank you!!! Finally someone with some damn common sense. I was advocating exactly what you did, but nooooo, LOL. If a unbeliever says it it cannot be good even if it agrees with commonsense.
Chapter 11

Jackson, TN

#7 Aug 30, 2011
At some point they got to start paying down the debt. Who do they think they are......the federal government.
u r so right

United States

#8 Aug 30, 2011
FreeThinker82 wrote:
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Thank you!!! Finally someone with some damn common sense. I was advocating exactly what you did, but nooooo, LOL. If a unbeliever says it it cannot be good even if it agrees with commonsense.
i've was raised to believe commonsense and experience go hand in hand at least most of the time. i read your comments quite frequently and it's my opinion that many things that are posted as replies to your views on life and "religion" are hateful & meant not to dialog, but to make you feel "less" because you've had your share of negative "religious" experiences... note: i used the words "religion" and "religious" and not spiritual. in my life i've had religious and spiritual experiences. the religious experiences have been negative. the spiritual experiences have been positive and they've defined me as the person i am today. i do believe in Christ because of my spiritual experiences and if i had not been open to what God can do in my life, "religious" individuals and their actions would have destroyed me and my faith. your comments don't offend me because i am secure in my spirituality. you have a interesting perspective on many things. i can tell you are well versed and read. when individuals react negatively, then they are most likely insecure, i.e. acceptance of society's handicapped; racial injustice; views on homosexuality; views on divorce; the role of women in churches, on the career ladder, in politics, or in the armed forces; financial hardships; and of course, the world's religious differences, to name a few. our insecurities make us react to what we don't desire to even try to understand because our insecurities will force us to look inward at ourselves. i wish more people, especially religious leaders, could get this. if they could, then people like you, free thinker, might truly see the love of the One I choose to know. as believers we're guilty of thinking we have all the answers and we think it's our mission to set you straight. i believe God wants each of us as believers to only be an example for unbelievers as yourself - to see God in us consistently God knows i'm not perfect, but He loves me anyway. as He does you.
Jake

United States

#9 Aug 30, 2011
This subject is not about you. I believe there is one devoted to your vanity.

EBC pay DOWN your debt while YOU can.
FreeThinker82 wrote:
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Thank you!!! Finally someone with some damn common sense. I was advocating exactly what you did, but nooooo, LOL. If a unbeliever says it it cannot be good even if it agrees with commonsense.
Live Within Your Means

Jackson, TN

#10 Aug 30, 2011
Tired of hearing churches talk about "healthy debt". There is no such thing, it is a myth.

Since: Feb 11

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#11 Aug 30, 2011
Jake wrote:
This subject is not about you. I believe there is one devoted to your vanity.
EBC pay DOWN your debt while YOU can.
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So I agree with you and still want to hate, you Christians sure are a loving bunch.
Amortization

Jackson, TN

#12 Aug 31, 2011
Just think about the 500K that could be spent for local missions, etc. if they did not have to pay that on debt.

At the rate they are paying down the debt (500k a year), it could take 20 years and that is if they add no more debt.
Jonas Nightingale

Jackson, TN

#13 Aug 31, 2011
they need to take lessons form Love and Truth on raising donations!
why WhY WHY

United States

#14 Sep 3, 2011
Give blindly tomorrow ya hear
EBC Member

Memphis, TN

#15 Sep 4, 2011
I don't give them a penny. I give to charity that uses the money I give for the actual cause.

I love Englewood....I don't agree with the budget...I don't care enough to argue it, nor do I have the time.

When the budget is open and the debt is gone, I will give again.
me too

United States

#16 Sep 5, 2011
I do the exact same thing as well.
EBC Member wrote:
I don't give them a penny. I give to charity that uses the money I give for the actual cause.
I love Englewood....I don't agree with the budget...I don't care enough to argue it, nor do I have the time.
When the budget is open and the debt is gone, I will give again.
u r so right

Solsberry, IN

#17 Sep 5, 2011
EBC Member wrote:
I don't give them a penny. I give to charity that uses the money I give for the actual cause.
I love Englewood....I don't agree with the budget...I don't care enough to argue it, nor do I have the time.
When the budget is open and the debt is gone, I will give again.
i am a former member of englewood. i left for a variety of reasons. i am assuming the average age now with ben mandrell's draw to be 35. did you tithe at 10% when you were 35? if you are attending and not tithing, then the same people will continue to run the church and dictate its policies, among them financial, staff, and alienation of members who speak up. nothing will change. that's why i left. too much money power plays from the big dogs and jett. money talks. if you're going to be just a pew warmer that's ridiculous. why be a member?
grew up at ebc

Benton, AR

#18 Sep 6, 2011
Sounds like a grass roots effort is needed. I say this with love, members- GET A BACKBONE ALREADY!
Bottom boy

Memphis, TN

#20 Sep 9, 2011
u r so right wrote:
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i am a former member of englewood. i left for a variety of reasons. i am assuming the average age now with ben mandrell's draw to be 35. did you tithe at 10% when you were 35? if you are attending and not tithing, then the same people will continue to run the church and dictate its policies, among them financial, staff, and alienation of members who speak up. nothing will change. that's why i left. too much money power plays from the big dogs and jett. money talks. if you're going to be just a pew warmer that's ridiculous. why be a member?
I'm 29 not...haven't reached 35 yet . I'm not a pew warmer...I worship God...that's why I go to church...to worship. I don't get involved in "church business." I believe God will have his way. I don't tithe 10% because it's not New Testament Post Jesus scripture. 100% is scriptural not 10%. No church sells everything and puts it in a pile though. Subsequently, I give what I can with moderate sacrifice at times but only where I know where the money is going.. ex: St. Jude Hospital. I also give to the Gideons each year along with other organizations that use the money properly with nobody makeing six digit salaries. I love my pastor as well and respect how stressful his job is and I pray for him often. I simply don't agree with EBC's budget or use of money so I don't give to them in general. i do however give to certain offerings throughout the year at church that i know the money is being used for that project etc.
Are You Aware of This

Jackson, TN

#21 Sep 15, 2011
Well well, what a surprise I got yesterday in my neighborhood. Your Pastor, Ben, has just moved into Willow Green Woods. What in the %ell are you all paying this man that he can afford a 400k+ home, with a stay at home wife and four kids, 2 of which are in private schools and the others will eventually be. I obviously chose the wrong line of work and it takes my wife to work to live here. No wonder you cannot pay down your debt!!!!!!!!!

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