Holy land trip threads deleted
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#1 Sep 24, 2012
I notice somebody managed to get ALL the holy land trip threads deleted, including the one with more than 500 comments. Any thoughts on who is behind this?
#4 Sep 25, 2012
Probably one of us that is SOOO tired of hearing about it.
#5 Sep 25, 2012
Probably some ignorant redneck southern baptist who is making money off of the deal by fleecing other redneck baptists.
Face it: they're not, as a whole, the most sophisticated or educated denomination, to put it nicely. And yes, before someone gets their panties in a wad, the facts support what I just typed. Studies have been done. Polls have been taken. They don't have the income or education of the Jews, the Episcopalians, the Presbyterians, or the Methodists. Nationwide, as a whole, they simply do not. They have some money and power LOCALLY only due to the fact that there are SOOOOOO many of them. Taken individually, they're not that impressive.
Additionally, their church structure practically BEGS for being taken advantage of. Think about it: no higher authority than the local preacher, no one to answer to except the local deacons, zero accountability....if I were running a scam, I would look no further than the nearest middle-class Baptist church to launch it.
So, logically, if a handful of baptists per parish (or whatever they term their local church) happen to be clever, dishonest, and slick, they can sure make money off the remainder of their gullible, sure-to-be-less-educated, fellow churchgoers.
Seriously. Think for a moment....no one is trying to pull off this stunt at First Methodist. Or First Pres. Or St. Luke's.....too many lawyers, surgeons, judges, not to mention second, third, fourth generation wealthy folks at those places who would recognize a scam for what it is, and turn their noses up at the scammer.
Nope. It's just the 1st generation, Union educated (if educated at all) Baptists who fall victims to these silly simple scams.
OK. I'm done now.
Y'all can commence flaming my post.
(But you can't deny the truth of it)
I'm gone now. Not gonna read any replies. Have a great day.....buh-bye.
#8 Sep 25, 2012
It's not the church(es).
It's the Travel agency.
And here's the amazing thing....
NO LONGER can you just google "Ben Mandrell Holy Land Trip" and get the old topix posts like you used to be able to get. They have even erased the ability to get to the old threads... when you DO google it you'll get results..but click on one of them and it will take you straight to the index.
Topix must have had some major legal threat to do that.
That only means that the travel agency is doing EVERYTHING it possibly can to cover this up.
Lee.... go get them.
#9 Sep 25, 2012
That was true and funny......
#10 Sep 25, 2012
#11 Sep 26, 2012
IT'S NOT The Travel Agency or the Church--- " people who aren't preachers"
IT'S THE PREACHERS!!! The Travel agency gives the option for the preachers to reduce everyones trip by NOT TAKING the commission!
This has been going on for years and not ONE SINGLE SBC preacher HAS EVER spoken against the practice!!
That SPEAKS volumes. These Men are Thieves and those are not my words or judgements. Read John's account of Christ dealing with the very same mess
#13 Sep 26, 2012
wonder how long before this one gets zapped...
so is the trip with EBC and Ben on or off?
#15 Sep 26, 2012
By the way, since Topix auto-links the web address I wrote above, you can't see the whole thing. Simply right-click and choose "Copy Link Location," then plug the address into Google.
#16 Sep 26, 2012
Nice work, Big Ern! Thanks for the info on how to view the deleted thread.
#17 Sep 26, 2012
I just realized this thread has had some posts deleted. What did the deleted posts say?
#18 Oct 1, 2012
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Probably one of us that is SOOO tired of hearing about it.[/QUOTE]
Most SBC members caught up in the SBC consumer/business church model could care less.
I'm sure this type thing would get old for you!!
The preachers who are in it for the big bucks are in total control of the sheep.
#19 Oct 1, 2012
Hmmm Ben canceled his due to conditions in Israel
Steve Gains canceled his for the same reason
does anyone know if Phil and son David are willing to risk the trip for the cash?
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#20 Oct 1, 2012
Pope Albert directs his decree toward the Sheep without a peep toward pastors thieving on these trip's
"We have no right to leave a church over preferences about music, personal taste, or even programming that does not meet expectations". Pope Albert the Pious I
"When members leave for insufficient reason, the fellowship of the church is broken, its witness is weakened, and the peace and unity of the congregation are sacrificed...we have no right to leave a church over preferences about music, personal taste, or even programming that does not meet expectations..."
"Christians cannot look to this question as merely a matter of consumerism. We are called to love the church and to pray for its peace and unity, not to look for an opportunity to move to another congregation."
If Al is right, why do pastors change churches so often?: Al conveniently forgot that the average baptist senior pastor stays at their church for 6-7 years before moving on to another church. And when a SBC pastor leaves his church for greener pastures, it rarely has anything to do with major theological differences - instead we are told that "God called" the pastor to his new church. In fact, the mega church rock stars go to great lengths to tell us how God told them to change churches - like while riding a donkey in the Holy Land and other such tales. Apparently God is capable only of calling pastors to change churches - but dang it the plebe have to stay at a church until the church denies the Trinity - or worse, they hire a woman pastor. Al, if you really believe what you're saying, please tell pastors that once they become pastor of a church, they should stay there for their entire career.
Why then, do mega churches spend so much on church marketing? Al says people who change churches without a deep theological rift have a "consumerism" mindset. If we are not "consumers" and should not select a church based on preferences like worship style or programs offered by the church, then why on earth do mega churches treat us like consumers and spend so much money on church marketing, trying to steal sheep, and hiring guys like Maurilio Amorim? Al, if you really believe what you're saying, train your pastors to stop spending "God's money" on so much church marketing! And for goodness sake, please mega church pastors, inquire as to the reason why someone is joining your church and turn away those members who left their prior church for personal preferences!
4. What About Abusive Churches and Pastors? Using Albert's standard, even if we find that our pastor covered-up for a pedophile, we don't have a right to leave the church. Sorry, Al, but most clear-thinking Christians know when it is in our best interests and the interests of our families to flee an abusive church and/or pastor. For example, I don't need a theological reason to leave a church pastored by this creep showing kids at a youth service how to "polish a shaft".
We could go on, but you get the point. Christian, you and your family have the right - even the Christian responsibility - to change churches and take your money with you for any reason you deem fit. It could be because the newly appointed pastor is more of a traveling evangelist who loves to go on cruises with the rich folk. Or maybe the pastor is an angry, pompous ass in the pulpit and you just can't stomach his rants each week. It could be because your kids don't fit into the youth group, or the youth group is dysfunctional. It could be even something as simple as worship style preferences.
#21 Oct 2, 2012
I think the preasure being put on Baptist people with scare tatics like the above nonsense from Albert along with Steve Gains tithing sermons which abuse the most plain and sensible reading of Scripture prove that these guys are desperate.
Young people today are better informed and are not running to embrace the tangled web of SBC dogma and preacher rule.
With the current rank and file political structure in the SBC you can expect the denomination to crumble.
The people are sooo dumbed down that they will not understand. It's really sad!!!
I would like to know what Albert allows people at Steves Church to do do with Steve telling them God might kill them or make their children sick for not tithing. ARE THEY ALLOWED TO LEAVE Pope Albert?
#22 Oct 2, 2012
Right on, you preach like a Lee Simmons who lived near Jackson.
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