Anyone going to the Bunny Ranch in Nevada to protest the grazing fee dispute?

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Constitutionalis t

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Apr 25, 2014
I went last week. Lot of hookers.

Not many protestors or ranchers.
Blacks

United States

#2 Apr 25, 2014
But were there any black people?
Opinion

Interior, SD

#3 Apr 25, 2014
Wouldn’t it be nice to just own 150 acres and get to run 1000 head of cattle free on 600,000 acres of government land (land owned by all of us).

There is a bigger problem here that just a welfare rancher. Most all ranchers that lease government grounds get a darn good deal - better than if they owned it. They pay their leases and don't try to play the game Bundy has gotten away with.

Nevada welfare rancher Cliven Bundy is spouting some extremist rhetoric, while being protected by anti-government domestic terrorists.
The main group Posse Comitatus has its basic belief roots all the way back to the deep south claiming (falsely) their crazy interpretation of the Constitution. They wanted then to claim no Federal Authority so slavery could be justified by local authority. Some old craziness just rebranded today for current needs.

Most of Posse Comitatus members embraced the anti-semitic and white supremacist beliefs while claiming a Christian Identity. The legal theories of Posse Comitatus promote the anti-government “sovereign citizen movement” which Cliven Bundy opening professes.

I have seen this same crazy ideology spouted in local papers. On local guy posted a public notice that he was a “sovereign citizen” and expected to be dealt with in that manner.

These crazy groups should not be encouraged or promoted by radio or TV political talking heads for their political rhetoric. Promoting this ultra right wing craziness will only lead to someone winding up dead.

Do not buy into the crazy rhetoric of these ultra-right wing groups that love to act like they are at war with the government.

Fox News talking heads are encouraging this rebellion rhetoric for one purpose which is to make the current admin look bad.
Constitutionalis t

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Apr 25, 2014
Opinion wrote:
Wouldn’t it be nice to just own 150 acres and get to run 1000 head of cattle free on 600,000 acres of government land (land owned by all of us).
There is a bigger problem here that just a welfare rancher. Most all ranchers that lease government grounds get a darn good deal - better than if they owned it. They pay their leases and don't try to play the game Bundy has gotten away with.
Nevada welfare rancher Cliven Bundy is spouting some extremist rhetoric, while being protected by anti-government domestic terrorists.
The main group Posse Comitatus has its basic belief roots all the way back to the deep south claiming (falsely) their crazy interpretation of the Constitution. They wanted then to claim no Federal Authority so slavery could be justified by local authority. Some old craziness just rebranded today for current needs.
Most of Posse Comitatus members embraced the anti-semitic and white supremacist beliefs while claiming a Christian Identity. The legal theories of Posse Comitatus promote the anti-government “sovereign citizen movement” which Cliven Bundy opening professes.
I have seen this same crazy ideology spouted in local papers. On local guy posted a public notice that he was a “sovereign citizen” and expected to be dealt with in that manner.
These crazy groups should not be encouraged or promoted by radio or TV political talking heads for their political rhetoric. Promoting this ultra right wing craziness will only lead to someone winding up dead.
Do not buy into the crazy rhetoric of these ultra-right wing groups that love to act like they are at war with the government.
Fox News talking heads are encouraging this rebellion rhetoric for one purpose which is to make the current admin look bad.
So you support the constitution, right? As interpreted by the Supreme Court.

Or are you too wishy-washy to make that claim.
CTM

Southbury, CT

#5 Apr 25, 2014
Opinion wrote:
Wouldn’t it be nice to just own 150 acres and get to run 1000 head of cattle free on 600,000 acres of government land (land owned by all of us).
There is a bigger problem here that just a welfare rancher. Most all ranchers that lease government grounds get a darn good deal - better than if they owned it. They pay their leases and don't try to play the game Bundy has gotten away with.
Nevada welfare rancher Cliven Bundy is spouting some extremist rhetoric, while being protected by anti-government domestic terrorists.
The main group Posse Comitatus has its basic belief roots all the way back to the deep south claiming (falsely) their crazy interpretation of the Constitution. They wanted then to claim no Federal Authority so slavery could be justified by local authority. Some old craziness just rebranded today for current needs.
Most of Posse Comitatus members embraced the anti-semitic and white supremacist beliefs while claiming a Christian Identity. The legal theories of Posse Comitatus promote the anti-government “sovereign citizen movement” which Cliven Bundy opening professes.
I have seen this same crazy ideology spouted in local papers. On local guy posted a public notice that he was a “sovereign citizen” and expected to be dealt with in that manner.
These crazy groups should not be encouraged or promoted by radio or TV political talking heads for their political rhetoric. Promoting this ultra right wing craziness will only lead to someone winding up dead.
Do not buy into the crazy rhetoric of these ultra-right wing groups that love to act like they are at war with the government.
Fox News talking heads are encouraging this rebellion rhetoric for one purpose which is to make the current admin look bad.
..........Gee, don't you think that reaids and blumenthals legal interpretation to do away with the Fillibuster is Treason? That takes away citizens rights to be heard and represented. They should go to jail for that and a hundred or so other lies, thefts and "legal Interpretations". Oh gee, did you notice, reid is the one pushing this. Wonder how much him and his crooked political jew counterparts stand to make fron BLM?
Opinion

Interior, SD

#6 Apr 25, 2014
Constitutionalist wrote:
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So you support the constitution, right? As interpreted by the Supreme Court.
Or are you too wishy-washy to make that claim.
I don't know exactly what you are referring to but yes, I support the constitution as interpreted by the U. S. Supreme Court.
I believe in the rule of law even if I disagree with the law or a Supreme Court decision..
So even if I disagree with the Supreme Court of the USA in regards to the Citizen's United & McCutcheon Supreme Court Decisions, or the Roe v/s Wade decision or some other decision their decision is the law of the land until the constitution is changed or another Supreme Court Decision makes a different ruling.
It makes no difference if either you or I disagree under a constitutional government it is the how the laws of the land will be interpreted. Posse Comitatus promotes a interpretation of the constitution that has no support in historical Supreme Court decisions.
The Supreme Court of the USA is a selected group of qualified people who were selected to interpret the constitution.. They are not some layman with a eighth grade education who dreams up a self-opinion on the Constitution. They study not only the constitution but past legal decisions and make a decision.
We are a country of laws and no man is an island country unto himself in regards to defying the laws.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#7 Apr 25, 2014
CTM wrote:
<quoted text>..........Gee, don't you think that reaids and blumenthals legal interpretation to do away with the Fillibuster is Treason? That takes away citizens rights to be heard and represented. They should go to jail for that and a hundred or so other lies, thefts and "legal Interpretations". Oh gee, did you notice, reid is the one pushing this. Wonder how much him and his crooked political jew counterparts stand to make fron BLM?
I don't think what I posted and what you are asking have any relationship to each other and is not relevant to waste time responding to.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#8 Apr 26, 2014
In some picture’s Cliven Bundy is shown with a copy of the Constitution in his shirt pocket. It is put out by right-wing conspiracy theorists which includes their whacky self-serving interpretations of the constitution. It is distributed by the NCCS, an organization that advances ultra-conservative conspiracy theories and promotes anti-government hostility. It simply is a self-serving perversion of constitutional principles.
It began life as the Freemen Institute, a vehicle for the far-right, Mormon, anti-commie, history revisionist, W. Cleon Skousen. Skousen taught that the Constitution was inspired by a God who intended America to be a Christian nation. He also professed the canon of white supremicism that Anglo-Saxons are descended from a lost tribe of Israel.
Skousen's warped ideology was syncs up perfectly with the Tea Party and other purveyors of fringe fear mongering . Glenn Beck, who literally begged his audience to read Skousen's book, "The 5000 Year Leap.” The conspiracy-obsessed NCCS shares with Beck and Bundy an animosity toward government that exceeds the boundaries of common sense.
When such nonsense is promoted by the likes of Fox News talking heads along with Rush Limbaugh it will lead to violence. Ruby Ridge – Okla City Federal building bombing were all done by people who followed this whacky rhetoric.

Their interpretations of the constitution have lost time after time in court.

Do not be sucked in that old rancher likely got rich owning 150 acres and running1000 head of cattle for nothing on federal lands he did not own or play lease on.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#9 Apr 26, 2014
Opinion wrote:
In some picture’s Cliven Bundy is shown with a copy of the Constitution in his shirt pocket. It is put out by right-wing conspiracy theorists which includes their whacky self-serving interpretations of the constitution. It is distributed by the NCCS, an organization that advances ultra-conservative conspiracy theories and promotes anti-government hostility. It simply is a self-serving perversion of constitutional principles.
It began life as the Freemen Institute, a vehicle for the far-right, Mormon, anti-commie, history revisionist, W. Cleon Skousen. Skousen taught that the Constitution was inspired by a God who intended America to be a Christian nation. He also professed the canon of white supremicism that Anglo-Saxons are descended from a lost tribe of Israel.
Skousen's warped ideology was syncs up perfectly with the Tea Party and other purveyors of fringe fear mongering . Glenn Beck, who literally begged his audience to read Skousen's book, "The 5000 Year Leap.” The conspiracy-obsessed NCCS shares with Beck and Bundy an animosity toward government that exceeds the boundaries of common sense.
When such nonsense is promoted by the likes of Fox News talking heads along with Rush Limbaugh it will lead to violence. Ruby Ridge – Okla City Federal building bombing were all done by people who followed this whacky rhetoric.
Their interpretations of the constitution have lost time after time in court.
Do not be sucked in that old rancher likely got rich owning 150 acres and running1000 head of cattle for nothing on federal lands he did not own or play lease on.
Notice how all of the yapping heads on Fox News are now trying to distance themselves from Bundy after giving him a platform and enabling him just a week ago.
Bundy is a deadbeat and tax cheat who owes the government $1 million and his racist tirades nor his racist views has nothing to do with the fact that he owes the government, a case decided in a court of law.
His spewing is nothing more than a distraction from his present plight.
People like Bundy live in an alternate reality of their own creation and right wing media outlets feed into the psych of people like him simply because they don't like who the current president of the USA is.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#10 Apr 26, 2014
ILAL wrote:
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Notice how all of the yapping heads on Fox News are now trying to distance themselves from Bundy after giving him a platform and enabling him just a week ago.
Bundy is a deadbeat and tax cheat who owes the government $1 million and his racist tirades nor his racist views has nothing to do with the fact that he owes the government, a case decided in a court of law.
His spewing is nothing more than a distraction from his present plight.
People like Bundy live in an alternate reality of their own creation and right wing media outlets feed into the psych of people like him simply because they don't like who the current president of the USA is.
You are 100% correct.
Fox News will use anything and spin it for their political purposes against the current President.

They have encouraged this crazy stuff and if not controlled the craziness will grow and there will wind up with some deaths.

Like it or not there is the rule of law and courts to decide issues. Bringing and displaying an assault rifle against Federal authority's is treason and anarchy..
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#11 Apr 26, 2014
Opinion wrote:
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You are 100% correct.
Fox News will use anything and spin it for their political purposes against the current President.
They have encouraged this crazy stuff and if not controlled the craziness will grow and there will wind up with some deaths.
Like it or not there is the rule of law and courts to decide issues. Bringing and displaying an assault rifle against Federal authority's is treason and anarchy..
I wholeheartedly agree with you, the purpose of outlets like Fox and other right wing mediums such as talk radio is to infuriate and inflame the psych of people with the mindset of the Bundys of America with a hateful narrative.
Their aim is to Distract, Deceive, and Divide.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#12 Apr 28, 2014
"18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection"

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Anyone who showed up out there with guns and aimed them at Federal Officials should be Identified - arrested and charged. Armed rebellion should be nipped at the bud before the nuts go any further.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#13 Apr 30, 2014
“The BLM’s actions lacked proportionality.”(Sean Hannity) The Bureau of Land Management simply arrived to take cattle, per a court order. They didn’t show up with guns drawn and they never even entered Bundy’s property. They did, however, carry arms for a good reason: They had received intelligence that Bundy and his crew might cause trouble. Bundy’s teenage son attempted to assault officers and kicked a police dog and resisted arrest, and so they used a taser on him, as well they should have.
The feds are trying to avoid another Waco. And this is exactly why the feds have not pressed the issue (yet) with Bundy, and why the BLM stood down.
Many repossession and foreclosure actions often involve a sheriff or other armed officials, and confiscation of property is an ordinary means by which a government resolves a debt.
Bundy says he has “never been sent a bill” but also says he never opens mail from the U.S. government because he does not recognize the U.S. government’s existence. A court has ordered him to pay a debt of $1.1 million in accumulated fines and fees .
If an armed resistance is put up against an asset seizure by law enforcement officials who are acting under a court order, the provocation is exclusively the work of those who have chosen to threaten the lawmen with violence.
A citizen does not get to decide for himself whether the land should remain vacant or grazed, or whether something should be built on it.
“Bundy has rights to the land because his ancestors worked the land prior to formation of BLM.” Bundy has made this argument himself and others have echoed it, but even if Bundy’s ancestors did work the land (and we only have his word that they did, and he is notoriously dishonest), as of the passage of the Taylor Act in 1934 they would have had to pay grazing fees. And it was never private land. The parcel that Bundy is trespassing has been owned by the U.S. government ever since it was purchased and/or won from Mexico or Spain.
El Rushbo

Baldwin, NY

#14 May 1, 2014
Opinion wrote:
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You are 100% correct.
Fox News will use anything and spin it for their political purposes against the current President.
They have encouraged this crazy stuff and if not controlled the craziness will grow and there will wind up with some deaths.
Like it or not there is the rule of law and courts to decide issues. Bringing and displaying an assault rifle against Federal authority's is treason and anarchy..
And MSNBC and the Huffington Post will use anything and spin it for their political purposes for the current President.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#15 May 1, 2014
One thing the Bundy ranch supporters do not realize is the "Indefinite Detention" clause in the NDAA act was kept in the act by the republicans. As a result those who are supporting Bundy can be arrested and held indefinitely without a trial because they have been declared to be domestic terrorists. It is their own party that took away their right to a fair and speedy trial under the 4th and 5th amendment. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll270.xml A no vote on the bill kept the indefinite detention clause in the NDAA. This was a stand alone amendment for the purpose of removing the Indefinite detention clause from the act after it was signed into law by Obama.
nac

Patchogue, NY

#16 May 1, 2014
Opinion wrote:
One thing the Bundy ranch supporters do not realize is the "Indefinite Detention" clause in the NDAA act was kept in the act by the republicans. As a result those who are supporting Bundy can be arrested and held indefinitely without a trial because they have been declared to be domestic terrorists. It is their own party that took away their right to a fair and speedy trial under the 4th and 5th amendment. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll270.xml A no vote on the bill kept the indefinite detention clause in the NDAA. This was a stand alone amendment for the purpose of removing the Indefinite detention clause from the act after it was signed into law by Obama.
This is pretty much what I've been trying to explain to you forever, Polly.

Republicans and democrats aren't very different. They both think that the government should have the right to trample the Constitution.

They sure found a way to put everything aside and agree with each other when it came to indefinite detention with out charge.
Opinion

Interior, SD

#17 May 3, 2014
nac wrote:
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This is pretty much what I've been trying to explain to you forever, Polly.
Republicans and democrats aren't very different. They both think that the government should have the right to trample the Constitution.
They sure found a way to put everything aside and agree with each other when it came to indefinite detention with out charge.
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/...
Los Angeles

Fullerton, CA

#18 May 3, 2014
Constitutionalist wrote:
I went last week. Lot of hookers.
Not many protestors or ranchers.
You were supposed to come to the Bundy Ranch, not the Bunny Ranch. You missed a good protest.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#19 May 8, 2014
Just watch what happens in the near future in Nevada with the nuts and whacko's who are packing guns and hanging out in little bunkers wanting to fight the Federal Government.

The Sun is going to start heating that desert up and those fat out of shape wannabe tough guys are going to get cooked.

If the Feds want them they will be coming out looking for some air conditioning.

It's one hot place.
Bloody Bill Anderson

La Fayette, KY

#21 May 8, 2014
Los Angeles wrote:
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You were supposed to come to the Bundy Ranch, not the Bunny Ranch. You missed a good protest.
This is the first time I read this thread. Actually clicked on it by accident. I thought the "Bunny Ranch" was a legal whorehouse.

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