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Hot Springs, SD

#1 Apr 3, 2014
Billionaire Kings of America will purchase who the candidates are all they want from you is a vote and let the head packing begin:

In its decision in McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, five members of the Supreme Court have taken pity on Shaun McCutcheon and the 650 other Americans who can only buy up to $123,200 in politicians. When you truly believe in the principle of "one dollar, one vote," as these five guys in black robes do, you want to make sure to overrule any restrictions made by the Representatives of the People in Congress chosen by that old quaint notion of "one person, one vote." This way the Five can insure that the Koch Brothers are literally millions of times more important than ordinary Americans.

There was a time when Americans revolted against the idea of kings, dukes, and earls using their vast inherited wealth to control our destiny. We actually fought a revolution in the name of all men being created equal. And, in time, that notion came to include all men and women, even descendants of former slaves.

Five men in robes have now, in the biting dissent of Justice Stephen Breyer, made up their own facts, misconstrued the law, undermined "the political integrity of our government institutions" and "create[d] a loophole that will allow a single individual to contribute millions of dollars." This not only "eviscerates our Nation's campaign finance laws"; it leaves us "incapable of dealing with grave problems of democratic legitimacy that those laws were intended to resolve."

Once five people in black robes overruled We the People in 2000, throwing away our votes to install their president in place of the one we (and most Floridians) wanted, I suppose it is no great further step to simply end "democratic legitimacy" altogether and allow billionaires to buy the politicians they want.

But the Supreme Court should revise the Preamble of the Constitution to reflect the reality they have declared today. "We the People" should be replaced by "We, Sheldon Adelson, Charles Koch and David Koch, the Billionaire Kings of America."

Sadly while I support a constitutional amendment to overturn both McCutcheon and Citizens' United, I'm under no delusion that we will get two-thirds of both Houses of Congress, including a fair number of Republicans, to prefer "one person, one vote" over "one dollar, one vote." The only possible solution to preserve our Republic is to keep electing Democratic presidents - and to elect them beyond the margin of the Supreme Court's plausible ability to steal an election - until one day the Tyranny of the Five ends.

And on that day, when a Democratic president nominates and the Senate confirms a justice on the Supreme Court who actually respects the Constitution she or he is sworn to uphold, we can once again have Government of the People, by the People, and for the People.

Until then, let us hope the Adelson/Koch/ALEC Regime is not too cruel to those of who still believe that ordinary people should have a voice in who represents us.
http://politix.topix.com/story/11321-we-the-b...
Bloody Bill Anderson

Paducah, KY

#2 Apr 3, 2014
How true.

Seems like the Libertarian elite are turning the clock back 100 years.

I was looking at some old local newspapers from 100 years ago today. One of them had a cartoon in it, a bunch of millionaires labeled "the Money Trust" huddled around big bag of money labeled "concentration of wealth." The U.S.Capitol was in the background. The story under it was about efforts to stop them from buying Congress, which they were then in effect doing. It took a hard fight of about 40 years to change that, but FDR finally managed to get at least the worst of it stopped. Now the Supreme Court is tearing all that down. We are going back to being government by Oligarchy.

“Slightly below above-average”

Since: Jul 10

arguably garrulous

#3 Apr 3, 2014
Can someone please tell me if it is illegal to actually trade my vote for cash? Can I sell it on eBay or something like that?

Lotsa cash just became available.

But first... I gotta move to a swing state to enhance my prospects.
Cancel out your vote

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Apr 3, 2014
You think you have no voice at the Federal level.

Try going to the office of a city council candidate or to a city council meeting of any major city.

You have no voice.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#5 Apr 3, 2014
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
How true.
Seems like the Libertarian elite are turning the clock back 100 years.
I was looking at some old local newspapers from 100 years ago today. One of them had a cartoon in it, a bunch of millionaires labeled "the Money Trust" huddled around big bag of money labeled "concentration of wealth." The U.S.Capitol was in the background. The story under it was about efforts to stop them from buying Congress, which they were then in effect doing. It took a hard fight of about 40 years to change that, but FDR finally managed to get at least the worst of it stopped. Now the Supreme Court is tearing all that down. We are going back to being government by Oligarchy.
I agree.

I don't care if you are Republican, Democrat or Independent, if you are a average American and believe in a democracy by the people this is going to have a major effect. Every American regardless of political beliefs should be concerned. Few want to go back in time to where the rich and powerful of Europe ruled the peons.

Most average Americans don't donate much to candidates. Most average Americans cannot afford to run for office and take time off their jobs.

As a result most politicians already have money to start with. I do not know what the average House member or member of the Senate is worth but few are average Americans.

Think they are looking out for your interest?

They will drag out the same worn out hot button issues to wind up the voting population and present to them two well funded candidates -- your choice take your pick - likely both well funded.

If a honest well intending average person gets elected and don't fall in line they will get taken out shortly by a fell funded big money candidate.

I live in a low population State and when it comes election time for the two SD State Senators the money pours in already from out of State.

It's going to get nothing but worse.
nac

Patchogue, NY

#6 Apr 3, 2014
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
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I live in a low population State and when it comes election time for the two SD State Senators the money pours in already from out of State.
It's going to get nothing but worse.
And yet you dislike the fact that I won't align myself with dishonest republicans and democrats that are 100% responsible for making "elections" a complete sham by propping up puppets working for the interest of big money...

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, Polly.
Psyhic intuition

Fairview, PA

#7 Apr 3, 2014
Well I'd like to see who's gonna feed them when the stock market really crashes. Those morons with all thier money will have to use thier money to wipe thier crying butts, You'll see it's just a matter of time. Remember this country's is so far in debt that there,s a chance that money could lose it's value. And everyone will remember who once stood over them thinking they were all it with thier wealth when it comes to barter town and not pay any attention to. So the rich better live it up because it's allmost over. Remember the history of 1929 it's around the corner. Wall street will FALL. See ya and glad not to be ya!!!!
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#8 Apr 3, 2014
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you dislike the fact that I won't align myself with dishonest republicans and democrats that are 100% responsible for making "elections" a complete sham by propping up puppets working for the interest of big money...
You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, Polly.
"nac" I really don't care who you align yourself with. You are what you are.

Not all politicians be them Republican or Democrats are all dishonest. I have disagreed with Democrats in the past and even now over some issues, just as I now disagree with the Republicans and what they have become. That does not make the Democrats perfect but right now the political party out of control is the Republicans with their craziness. Sorry if that offends you but that is how I see the Republicans of today.

Some are drawn to extremism and I am not. I believe that politics is the art of compromise and not a war of one party fighting in total opposition just because they can't have things totally their way. There was a time when Republicans were a progressive conservative party with intelligent leaders who did not spend their time playing stupid politics.

Even in the best of times throughout the history of this country those with wealth have had more say. They problem with the present two Supreme Court Decisions it that it gives the extremely wealthy and a non-living entity called a Corporation far greater political powers.

Right now I have gotten under your skin and you are just wanting to find something to feel right about. Try posting something original rather than following me around nipping at my heels like a mad little boy trying to insult and call me names..

I would rather discuss something with someone who has an intelligent position and can back it up with some intelligent thought, even if we disagree. Playing silly games with you is getting old.
Pete

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#9 Apr 4, 2014
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
"nac" I really don't care who you align yourself with. You are what you are.
Not all politicians be them Republican or Democrats are all dishonest. I have disagreed with Democrats in the past and even now over some issues, just as I now disagree with the Republicans and what they have become. That does not make the Democrats perfect but right now the political party out of control is the Republicans with their craziness. Sorry if that offends you but that is how I see the Republicans of today.
Some are drawn to extremism and I am not. I believe that politics is the art of compromise and not a war of one party fighting in total opposition just because they can't have things totally their way. There was a time when Republicans were a progressive conservative party with intelligent leaders who did not spend their time playing stupid politics.
Even in the best of times throughout the history of this country those with wealth have had more say. They problem with the present two Supreme Court Decisions it that it gives the extremely wealthy and a non-living entity called a Corporation far greater political powers.
Right now I have gotten under your skin and you are just wanting to find something to feel right about. Try posting something original rather than following me around nipping at my heels like a mad little boy trying to insult and call me names..
I would rather discuss something with someone who has an intelligent position and can back it up with some intelligent thought, even if we disagree. Playing silly games with you is getting old.
agreed

Since: Oct 12

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#10 Apr 4, 2014
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you dislike the fact that I won't align myself with dishonest republicans and democrats that are 100% responsible for making "elections" a complete sham by propping up puppets working for the interest of big money...
You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, Polly.
If you actually drop out, it makes your argument powerless....isn't that true?
sxs

Richmond, KY

#11 Apr 4, 2014
So Congress pushes through the loan for the Ukraine even thought we are "broke" and cutting our programs. At the same time they are pushing for the permits to sell natural gas to the area. Who s one of the biggest suppliers of natural gas. The Koch brothers. See how this works?
Bloody Bill Anderson

La Fayette, KY

#12 Apr 4, 2014
HangUpAndDrive wrote:
Can someone please tell me if it is illegal to actually trade my vote for cash? Can I sell it on eBay or something like that?
Lotsa cash just became available.
But first... I gotta move to a swing state to enhance my prospects.
Yes. It is illegal. In most states vote-buying or vote-selling is a felony.
Blanca

Massapequa Park, NY

#13 Apr 4, 2014
Opinion wrote:
Billionaire Kings of America will purchase who the candidates are all they want from you is a vote and let the head packing begin:
In its decision in McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, five members of the Supreme Court have taken pity on Shaun McCutcheon and the 650 other Americans who can only buy up to $123,200 in politicians. When you truly believe in the principle of "one dollar, one vote," as these five guys in black robes do, you want to make sure to overrule any restrictions made by the Representatives of the People in Congress chosen by that old quaint notion of "one person, one vote." This way the Five can insure that the Koch Brothers are literally millions of times more important than ordinary Americans.
There was a time when Americans revolted against the idea of kings, dukes, and earls using their vast inherited wealth to control our destiny. We actually fought a revolution in the name of all men being created equal. And, in time, that notion came to include all men and women, even descendants of former slaves.
Five men in robes have now, in the biting dissent of Justice Stephen Breyer, made up their own facts, misconstrued the law, undermined "the political integrity of our government institutions" and "create[d] a loophole that will allow a single individual to contribute millions of dollars." This not only "eviscerates our Nation's campaign finance laws"; it leaves us "incapable of dealing with grave problems of democratic legitimacy that those laws were intended to resolve."
Once five people in black robes overruled We the People in 2000, throwing away our votes to install their president in place of the one we (and most Floridians) wanted, I suppose it is no great further step to simply end "democratic legitimacy" altogether and allow billionaires to buy the politicians they want.
But the Supreme Court should revise the Preamble of the Constitution to reflect the reality they have declared today. "We the People" should be replaced by "We, Sheldon Adelson, Charles Koch and David Koch, the Billionaire Kings of America."
Sadly while I support a constitutional amendment to overturn both McCutcheon and Citizens' United, I'm under no delusion that we will get two-thirds of both Houses of Congress, including a fair number of Republicans, to prefer "one person, one vote" over "one dollar, one vote." The only possible solution to preserve our Republic is to keep electing Democratic presidents - and to elect them beyond the margin of the Supreme Court's plausible ability to steal an election - until one day the Tyranny of the Five ends.
And on that day, when a Democratic president nominates and the Senate confirms a justice on the Supreme Court who actually respects the Constitution she or he is sworn to uphold, we can once again have Government of the People, by the People, and for the People.
Until then, let us hope the Adelson/Koch/ALEC Regime is not too cruel to those of who still believe that ordinary people should have a voice in who represents us.
http://politix.topix.com/story/11321-we-the-b...
Yes BUT...Death will pry their cold dead fingers from all they have. It's temporary.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#14 Apr 4, 2014
sxs wrote:
So Congress pushes through the loan for the Ukraine even thought we are "broke" and cutting our programs. At the same time they are pushing for the permits to sell natural gas to the area. Who s one of the biggest suppliers of natural gas. The Koch brothers. See how this works?
Money and influence go hand in hand when it comes to funding politicians.

Some honest person who does not want to owe favors back for who funded his election will be running a campaign on a shoestring budget against big money TV & radio attack ads funded by those who have the money to purchase influence.

The system has never been good but it got a whole lost worse.

This is one time that some funerals for Supreme Court Justices who decided to create out of a legal term called a Corporation that exists solely for investment and legal purposes into a person with rights to determine who is elected to represent living breathing people, would not be a sad time.

Corporations should not be able to donate one dollar. The profits of a Corporation should be returned to the stock holders, taxes paid and if a stockholder wishes to donate - fine.

Then to top that off they come back and say that it's ok to stack the deck more in favor of the wealthy and corporate interests by letting them provide unlimited money to purchase further influence.

All they want from you and me is a vote and they will fund their chosen politicians with enough money to pack heads over some hot button issue. They already own the major TV networks along with funding those talking heads that babble all day long on both radio and TV.

They tell people what to think enough times and all the sudden people start repeating the same echo chamber rhetoric. Some people are extremists and already look at political parties like a religion where my party and what they do or say is always right but when you can throw in some religious head packing the problem is multiplied.
Bloody Bill Anderson

La Fayette, KY

#15 Apr 4, 2014
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree.
I don't care if you are Republican, Democrat or Independent, if you are a average American and believe in a democracy by the people this is going to have a major effect. Every American regardless of political beliefs should be concerned. Few want to go back in time to where the rich...
They will drag out the same worn out hot button issues to wind up the voting population and present to them two well funded candidates -- your choice take your pick - likely both well funded.
If a honest well intending average person gets elected and don't fall in line they will get taken out shortly by a fell funded big money candidate.
I live in a low population State and when it comes election time for the two SD State Senators the money pours in already from out of State.
It's going to get nothing but worse.
My history professor friend says that rank and file Americans on the "Red" so-called "Conservative" side are in love with what he called an "imaginary past, a kind of idealized Little House on the Prairie image of the 1890s." The Libertarian element like the Koch brothers and the Christian Reconstructionists capitalize on that longing for an idyllic history that never existed. The condemn historians who tell the truth about what conditions in those times were really like as "Revisionist."

People on the "Blue" or so-called "Liberal" side are dominated by their far left fringe. That fringe pushes issues like abortion and gay marriage that are anathema to religious people. Those same people attack anyone who opposes them, even the moderates. That serves to push traditional social conservatives into the Libertarian-Christian Reconstructionist camp. It is not that they so much agree with the far Right fringe's Libertarian-religious theocratic agenda as it is a case of "my enemy is your enemy too." Until the Democratic Party muzzles its far left fringe, and the Republicans muzzle their far right fringe, things are just going to get worse.

I'd be for a Constitutional amendment to reverse the Supreme Court's recent decisions (Citizens United and the recent on) that threw open the door for big money to buy political campaigns. My solution would be to ban all campaign contributions to candidates for the House and Senate that did not originate in the district/state that they represent. No corporate money would be allowed, period. No foreign money either. That would knock the props out from under the Israel Lobby.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#16 Apr 4, 2014
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
My history professor friend says that rank and file Americans on the "Red" so-called "Conservative" side are in love with what he called an "imaginary past, a kind of idealized Little House on the Prairie image of the 1890s." The Libertarian element like the Koch brothers and the Christian Reconstructionists capitalize on that longing for an idyllic history that never existed. The condemn historians who tell the truth about what conditions in those times were really like as "Revisionist."
People on the "Blue" or so-called "Liberal" side are dominated by their far left fringe. That fringe pushes issues like abortion and gay marriage that are anathema to religious people. Those same people attack anyone who opposes them, even the moderates. That serves to push traditional social conservatives into the Libertarian-Christian Reconstructionist camp. It is not that they so much agree with the far Right fringe's Libertarian-religious theocratic agenda as it is a case of "my enemy is your enemy too." Until the Democratic Party muzzles its far left fringe, and the Republicans muzzle their far right fringe, things are just going to get worse.
I'd be for a Constitutional amendment to reverse the Supreme Court's recent decisions (Citizens United and the recent on) that threw open the door for big money to buy political campaigns. My solution would be to ban all campaign contributions to candidates for the House and Senate that did not originate in the district/state that they represent. No corporate money would be allowed, period. No foreign money either. That would knock the props out from under the Israel Lobby.
The world moves on and changes. The more people likely the more changes.

Constitutional amendment - I have no problems with that. But the political party that stands to benefit the most would oppose it in lock step.

You are correct regarding the Israel Lobby. I have nothing against Jewish people but they are Jewish by both religion and race and they stick together like mud. Sheldon Alderson of Las Vegas fame is Jewish and is worth some 40 billion. He dropped at least a known 15 million in the last race. He feathers the pockets of many politicians to get what he wants.

When it comes to religion try living in the State of Utah..

My political contributions are small potatoes compared to his. They come begging to his front door looking for his support. I can't even get them to answer a letter for six months.

The problem is not so bad in small town USA. But as soon as the town gets bigger its starts to take money to get elected.
Bloody Bill Anderson

La Fayette, KY

#17 Apr 4, 2014
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
The world moves on and changes. The more people likely the more changes.
Constitutional amendment - I have no problems with that. But the political party that stands to benefit the most would oppose it in lock step.
You are correct regarding the Israel Lobby. I have nothing against Jewish people but they are Jewish by both religion and race and they stick together like mud. Sheldon Alderson of Las Vegas fame is Jewish and is worth some 40 billion. He dropped at least a known 15 million in the last race. He feathers the pockets of many politicians to get what he wants.
When it comes to religion try living in the State of Utah..
My political contributions are small potatoes compared to his. They come begging to his front door looking for his support. I can't even get them to answer a letter for six months.
The problem is not so bad in small town USA. But as soon as the town gets bigger its starts to take money to get elected.
The big outside money is already in state government. A friend of mine has been Kentucky State Senator for the last 25 years. This is his last term. He is retiring. He told me a while back that the first time he ran it was a good old boy, down home Southern campaign. He spent less than $2,500 on some signs, some pencils with his name printed on them, and that sort of thing. Last time he ran, the campaign cost around $250,000. There were campaign ads for him on TV that he did not even know some out of state outfit was going to run. His Republican opponent was a personal friend. They got along fine. But the same thing happened in his campaign. Outside money ran attack ads against his opponent, made it sound like they were bitter personal enemies. That young fellow swore off politics. Said it was too much of a snake pit and he wasn't a snake.
Blonde coed

Fullerton, CA

#18 Apr 4, 2014
The rich now rule the USA.

It's about time. It took them 238 years.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#19 Apr 4, 2014
"Not To Be Used For Bribing Politicians" Self inking stamp.

Be sure to use it correctly so the money is kept in circulation. They give instructions on how to use it properly in a booklet with the stamp. I used a permanent marker to mark the "points" and the "notches" used to properly align the stamp so no security features are covered. It makes alignment much easier.

Get your stamp here.
http://www.stampstampede.org/products/pfaw-st... -
for-buying-elections

Here are the stamping instructions

http://www.stampstampede.org/pages/be-a-bette...
Psychic intuition

Fairview, PA

#20 Apr 4, 2014
The poor will rise up and devour the rich and the meek shall inhierit the earth as god would have it.

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