Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 72030 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.

former res

Cheshire, CT

#71727 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
I am or rather was till a few years ago very competitive in an academic sense and topped my class in school and later at the IIT but then things fell apart with the death of both my parents and then all the mess I landed into due to a certain person.
My parents were very wealthy and the money is very well invested.
Yeah, I work in the sense that I frequently oversee/discuss the health of the investments with my CAs and other financial advisers.
It sounds as though you are overwhelmed with life itself.

Having money should not be a burden but a blessing, don't you agree?

Michael Bloomberg is worth over $30 billion and has several business and still
managed to be an effective mayor of New York City for 12 years. And is very active
in the gun control arena.

Bill Gates is worth more than double that amount and still serves on boards and is active in his foundation, busy giving his money away.

So you never put any of your education to use?

If your money is well and properly invested, it should be on "autopilot" with only minor rebalancing perhaps quarterly at the most. As long as it's throwing off sufficient income for you to live on.

What's a CA? Here we have CPAs and financial advisors and of course attorneys.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71728 Apr 16, 2014
I want DAN DENNET to turn SPIRITUAL instead of being a crass materialist.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71729 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes, it brings back fond memories of living in the wilds at Auroville - the ashram set up by Sri Aurobindo and the Mother.
Coarse food? Unrefined flour, using natural foods free of preservatives, grinding the ingredients on a rough stone instead of in a food blender, cooking over firewood instead of gas/electric source and so on...
We enjoyed the rustic lifestyle for 1 night.
Have you ever camped out? Backpacked, hiked? Overnight canoe trip?

Very enjoyable. Did some camping with my family as a kid.

But mostly with the Boy Scouts. One of the best things I ever did. Several years.
From maybe 11 years old to around 15 or so. And then returned again at 16 or 17.

Good challenges.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71730 Apr 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
In the past he claimed to be not rich and to have worked. Today he denies everything...
He keeps lying about himself. Don't trust.
His heroes or idols are people I have never heard of.

I doubt they ever did anyone any good.

Kind of like........

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71731 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

It sounds as though you are overwhelmed with life itself.
I am not overwhelmed by materialism since I have seen much of the very best that material life has to offer since birth and so I am not attached to money/luxuries but more than this reason the real cause is that I am detached by nature from crass materialism, since, from age 4, I have been getting spiritual visions while in the waking consciousness and the mystico-rational side of life attracts me the most but if I tell you some of my horrific mystical experiences in the waking consciousness of recent times you'll be shocked despite you being an atheist.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#71732 Apr 16, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---The NEWS says they are STILL "gathering information" on whether this is HATE crime.
Frijoles---Yep, the guy HATED Jews, but managed to kill 2 Christians (and 1 Jew).
HughBe---- Clearly based on your words and that of Former you have GATHERED more information than the police. Share the information with them and with us.
Also, the person killed 2 Christians and 1 Jew and based on that in your mind he HATES Jews but has NO hate for Christians?
Was the Jew a Christian and if yes that would make it 3 Christians.
Was the Jew a Buddhist or a secular person?
If the Jew was secular then based on your argument the person killed the Jew because of his RACE and not religious affiliation to Judaism or otherwise.
Finally, share your typically intelligent reason for NOT ascribing hate to the person for killing the 2 Christians. Were the Christians white, brown, black or what?
chuckle

I see nothing ever changes here

Chag sameach

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#71733 Apr 16, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Take a class on logic. Study "or" statements. And we'll talk. All I know is that you called me possessed, and I hadn't communicated with you for 4 months. I was just wishing someone else holiday greetings. You didn't even give me a chance to speak with you before the insult. I am right, "Nothing has changed."
Its been 4 months? youch

What did you do with Rick?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71734 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Aw shucks, Uncle Former.
I usually play up that taunt when I want to tease you or when I wish to get under your skin.
I am the least concerned with your socioeconomic status.
Beneath all the South Mumbai snobbery of the Cathedral School and Malabar Hill or Altamount Road kind, I am a person who looks more at the heart than at the head.
I'll be pleased to play host to you.
And are you of a generous, giving nature, my friend?

Being of limited socioeconomic status, I may require a modest travel stipend upon my arrival in your country. And of course the longer I stay, the more of these I will require.

Though in return, I will be very good company and may even stop in occasionally and say hello to you.

Will you assist in this regard? You seem like a good and magnanimous fellow. And clearly a man of some means.

I am but a poor middleman, trader of run-down properties, shacks and the like.

What do you say?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71735 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

So you never put any of your education to use?

.
I would have continued with the PhD at an elite US university after the integrated master's degree in a scientific discipline at IIT but my yoga put a stop to that idea and the rest is known....

On the other hand, the yogic experiences have revealed to me a profounder world of reality by direct contact with these subtle objects/events and their causal links with matter and so I am not fascinated by science as much as say a person who lives at all times in the ordinary consciousness.

I am deeply thrilled only when I discuss mystical experiences and in ordinary subjects I get a kick from higher Math.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71736 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

If your money is well and properly invested, it should be on "autopilot" with only minor rebalancing perhaps quarterly at the most.
That's where you are wrong.

When huge sums of money and pricey assets are concerned, one has to have his finger on the pulse of the markets otherwise the money will stagnate or will yield lower dividends or will run into losses.

Having huge sums invested in leading blue chip companies, dealing with luxury properties and playing an active role as an investor in the precious metal trade is not easy - I say it is difficult as one has to know the ins and outs of the markets and keep up with the latest market trends and keep watching the company results and know when to buy, when to stay put, when to sell, when to diversify and so on.

The final decision rests with me and not with my financial advisers.

I have not just inherited a huge inheritance from my late parents and have sat on it like an inert machine but have made some pretty smart moves over the years that have increased the assets...

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71737 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

What's a CA?
CA = Chartered Account.

To become a CA in India, one needs to pass a 3-tiered exam that's high on Commercial Math and intricate accountancy skills.

Of the hundreds of thousands of candidates who take the CA exams each year, just around 1 % or so are declared successful.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71738 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Have you ever camped out? Backpacked, hiked? Overnight canoe trip?
Yes, as a student at Cathedral School and later in life on a few occasions with classmates at IIT.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71739 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

And are you of a generous, giving nature, my friend?
I am very giving, very forgiving and never hold grudges.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71740 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

I am but a poor middleman, trader of run-down properties, shacks and the like

What do you say?
You'll be jovial, entertaining and affectionate company, for sure.

Come to Mumbai and clear out all your doubts about me and see the golden shine on my face and hands as well.

Hey, there, Uncle Former, I like you a lot. Serious.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71741 Apr 16, 2014
TYPO

CA = Chartered ACCOUNTANT
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71742 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
To give back to humanity?
In this regard, there are other more meaningful ways to give back like say sponsoring the education of needy but deserving students, providing for helpless single mothers, giving orphans from underprivileged backgrounds a chance to succeed in life and so on.
I do more than my bit in helping the needy and in keeping with the adage - charity begins at home - well my late parents and me too have always treated our servants very well and gave/give them all their needs and provide them with sufficient funds to get their kids married, to pay for expensive medical treatments, fund the education of their kids and so on.
I am actively involved with a few NGOs back here in an informal basis by helping the girl child from poor families in view of the fact that the girl child is badly discriminated against in a patriarchal society like India......
Many working people also give back/write checks/donate money.

These activities are not mutually exclusive.

Ever hear of multi-tasking?

I went to school and worked at the same time for many years. And also cared for two doga and with NO servants, if you can imagine this.

Today I made 2 online donations to Alzheimer's groups due to a recent death.

And still managed to do a few other things, believe me or not.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71743 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>........I am not overwhelmed by materialism......... and I am not attached to money/luxuries but more than this reason the real cause is that I am detached by nature from crass materialism.....
What have you done with Joel?

Whoever you are, you are writing the opposite of Joel.

I think "crass materialism" are his middle names.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71744 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
I would have continued with the PhD at an elite US university after the integrated master's degree in a scientific discipline at IIT but my yoga put a stop to that idea and the rest is known....
On the other hand, the yogic experiences have revealed to me a profounder world of reality by direct contact with these subtle objects/events and their causal links with matter and so I am not fascinated by science as much as say a person who lives at all times in the ordinary consciousness.
I am deeply thrilled only when I discuss mystical experiences and in ordinary subjects I get a kick from higher Math.
So...the answer to my question...

"So you never put any of your education to use?"

would be "no?" do you have that word in your strange land?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#71745 Apr 16, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Many working people also give back/write checks/donate money.

These activities are not mutually exclusive.

Ever hear of multi-tasking?

I went to school and worked at the same time for many years. And also cared for two doga and with NO servants, if you can imagine this.

Today I made 2 online donations to Alzheimer's groups due to a recent death.

And still managed to do a few other things, believe me or not.
Good for you.

At the same time, I must say that let's not over-emphasis the giving part since anyone can write out a cheque either to feel good, to attract attention or to assuage his conscience.

More than handing out freebies, except to the most needy cases, it would be better to invest in infrastructure (creches, housing, nutrition, medicare etc), upping educational standards, spreading vocational training, giving soft loans to the poor to set up businesses, giving subsidies for those businesses set up by financially poor entrepreneurs, buying the goods of those entrepreneurs from ordinary backgrounds who're just getting established, providing expert guidance in life-making fields and so on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71746 Apr 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
That's where you are wrong.
When huge sums of money and pricey assets are concerned, one has to have his finger on the pulse of the markets otherwise the money will stagnate or will yield lower dividends or will run into losses.
Having huge sums invested in leading blue chip companies, dealing with luxury properties and playing an active role as an investor in the precious metal trade is not easy - I say it is difficult as one has to know the ins and outs of the markets and keep up with the latest market trends and keep watching the company results and know when to buy, when to stay put, when to sell, when to diversify and so on.
The final decision rests with me and not with my financial advisers.
I have not just inherited a huge inheritance from my late parents and have sat on it like an inert machine but have made some pretty smart moves over the years that have increased the assets...
And so do you think a smart financial guy like Michael Bloomberg allowed his fortune and many businesses to languish and wither on the vine while he ran the most important city in the world for 12 years?

Or do you think he was able to perhaps multitask?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Jackson-Heights Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Yankee talk back 4, or is it 5 (Aug '08) 17 min Mike Lupica 329,740
News Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision (Jan '08) 21 min ThomasA 311,345
Drop a Word, Add a Word (Jan '10) 42 min GEORGIA 14,657
HILLARY will be THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER (Dec '14) 1 hr Nonlib 10,985
Time to go? (Jun '15) 1 hr Copper 11,954
News Cutting of pastor's role called 'vindictive' (Oct '08) 2 hr Bruser 8,296
Mets talkback (Dec '07) 3 hr Buddy from Whites... 40,229
More from around the web

Personal Finance

Jackson-Heights Mortgages