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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43898 Nov 22, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Eric your words--Yes, you are correct. I mispoke. I allowed TWO discussions to GO on at ONCE and I mispoke BETWEEN them
Now when you spoke about MELLOWED it was really misleading as all I did was to ask you to identify the other party.
I am aware that a man got to be himself and so I understand your misleading and inappropriate comment.
Conversation 1--Noahide principles that pertain to Gentiles
Conversation 2--what laws pertained to the Patriarchs. They would include the Noahide principles and the laws that only pertained to the people of the covenant.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43899 Nov 22, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Conversation 1--Noahide principles that pertain to Gentiles
Conversation 2--what laws pertained to the Patriarchs. They would include the Noahide principles and the laws that only pertained to the people of the covenant.
Eric---
Conversation 1--Noahide principles that pertain to Gentiles
Conversation 2--what laws pertained to the Patriarchs. They would include the Noahide principles and the laws that only pertained to the people of the covenant

HughBe-- Conversation 3, YOUR self-deception which is now in progress.

Below is OUR original conversation and so I call it conversation 1. Please read it slowly. Please answer my outstanding questions and requests.

ORIGINAL conversation--
Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.

HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.

Eric--Prove it

HughBe--- Thank you for the opportunity to do so
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43902 Nov 22, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---
Conversation 1--Noahide principles that pertain to Gentiles
Conversation 2--what laws pertained to the Patriarchs. They would include the Noahide principles and the laws that only pertained to the people of the covenant
HughBe-- Conversation 3, YOUR self-deception which is now in progress.
Below is OUR original conversation and so I call it conversation 1. Please read it slowly. Please answer my outstanding questions and requests.
ORIGINAL conversation--
Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.
HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.
Eric--Prove it
HughBe--- Thank you for the opportunity to do so
That was not the first conversation on the subject.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43904 Nov 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
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That was not the first conversation on the subject.
Please fell free to post the first conversation on the subject that involved both of us. Start searching from Monday November 19 for your evidence.

This is the history--

Eric---You(HughBe) continually and correctly state that Noah, Abraham, Isaac were not Jews

HughBe--- Correct in your understanding of my representation and in what the truth is.

Eric--and did not follow the 613 mitzvot.

HughBe-- Incorrect. I have never said such an unenlightened thing.

Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.

HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.

Eric-- They are no BS. They are the religious beliefs of the Patriarchs

HughBe--- The beliefs are not BS, the concept/doctrine of ONLY these 7 rules/laws is.

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Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.

HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.

Eric--Prove it

HughBe--- Thank you for the opportunity to do so.

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43905 Nov 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
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That was not the first conversation on the subject.
Please explain your PROVE it below.

Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.

HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.

Eric--Prove it
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43906 Nov 23, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Please explain your PROVE it below.
Eric-- So these 7 principles are what Noah, Abraham, and Isaac followed.
HughBe--- Correct and MUCH more.
Eric--Prove it
I gave you 2 more. What else do you want. I said you were correct that there were more than 7. There are 9 for Hebrews and 7 for Gentiles.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43907 Nov 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I gave you 2 more. What else do you want. I said you were correct that there were more than 7. There are 9 for Hebrews and 7 for Gentiles.
Let me repeat and simplify it for you.

In listing the 613 commandments they are broken down, so do the same for whatever number you have for the Noahide laws. Don't just used categories. List the individual laws as is done for the 613. When you do you will get much more than your 7, 8 or 9.

For example, there is a category called "Forbidden Sexual Relations" in the 613. To get to the 613 this category is broken down into 25 separate laws. Do the same for the Noahide laws.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43908 Nov 23, 2012
This what happens when I leave you all alone for a few days?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43909 Nov 23, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
This what happens when I leave you all alone for a few days?
Hi dear, I asked your man what had happened to you but he did not respond.

It is my sincere hope that all is well with you.

If there is a problem ask the physician, HughBe, for help.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#43911 Nov 23, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me repeat and simplify it for you.
In listing the 613 commandments they are broken down, so do the same for whatever number you have for the Noahide laws. Don't just used categories. List the individual laws as is done for the 613. When you do you will get much more than your 7, 8 or 9.
For example, there is a category called "Forbidden Sexual Relations" in the 613. To get to the 613 this category is broken down into 25 separate laws. Do the same for the Noahide laws.
rabbee: 611 + 2 laws. Moshe only operated, with 611 laws. the last two were given, specificly to those crossing the yordan river. and Moshe did not cross, the river with them.

and the 611 laws, are just an expansion and explaination of The Laws given to Noach everytime. and G-D shall give them again to Noach, the very next time. G-D gives this, whole same story again. as the whole world of disbelief, keeps on repeating in IT.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#43912 Nov 23, 2012
Hardest Football wrote:
The noahide laws state get off the roads you crazy freaks. Stop trying to run into every wall on the road. Stop going gas brake gas brake gas brake brake brake. Stop faking left and going straight into a mack truck. Stop crashing into pedestrians and cyclists on purpose.
rabbee: then stop playing football, and purposly running into the pedestrians, on the other side with or without the baal.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43913 Nov 23, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: 611 + 2 laws. Moshe only operated, with 611 laws. the last two were given, specificly to those crossing the yordan river. and Moshe did not cross, the river with them.
and the 611 laws, are just an expansion and explaination of The Laws given to Noach everytime. and G-D shall give them again to Noach, the very next time. G-D gives this, whole same story again. as the whole world of disbelief, keeps on repeating in IT.
Rabbee---the 611 laws, are just an expansion and explaination of The Laws given to Noach everytime.

HughBe--- I would think that virtually ALL of the 611 were known from the start.

Having said that, you are correct that the 611 are expansions of various categories. However, this fact is hidden from Eric and his sages and that is why I wanted to shed light in his dark understanding. Had he taken and applied the category of sexual prohibitions to the Noahide laws he would have seen the EXPANSION of that man-made concept.

It appears that he loves darkness rather than light.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43915 Nov 23, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Had he taken and applied the category of sexual prohibitions to the Noahide laws he would have seen the EXPANSION of that man-made concept.
It appears that he loves darkness rather than light.
No, this is your man-made concept. You don't Expand on the word of HaShem. HaShem does not need your help Expanding HaShem's words.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43916 Nov 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
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No, this is your man-made concept. You don't Expand on the word of HaShem. HaShem does not need your help Expanding HaShem's words.
The 613 have 25 sexual prohibitions, please list ALL those that are not applicable to non-Jews.

Thanks in advance.
Eric

Sugar Grove, IL

#43917 Nov 23, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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The 613 have 25 sexual prohibitions, please list ALL those that are not applicable to non-Jews.
Thanks in advance.
Your question is ass-backward as normal.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43918 Nov 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Your question is ass-backward as normal.
Observation, the "ass" is in the rear and "backward" is reverse so ass-backward would put the matter in the FRONT or in the area that I specialize in.

I know that my approach and habit seems abnormal to you.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#43919 Nov 23, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Hi dear, I asked your man what had happened to you but he did not respond.
It is my sincere hope that all is well with you.
If there is a problem ask the physician, HughBe, for help.
Thanksgiving holiday.

When you get tired of this topic, let me know, and I can drop another one and dissapear for a few days again.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43921 Nov 23, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Thanksgiving holiday.
When you get tired of this topic, let me know, and I can drop another one and dissapear for a few days again.
There is no need for you to disappear and there is no desire on my side for you to do so, engage in an open and frank manner on any topic.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43923 Nov 23, 2012
Herringbonehead wrote:
How about engaging in selling your cars and burning your licenses while your at it.
Great idea.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#43924 Nov 23, 2012
Lecture 7. The message of the Holy Prophet of Islam part-47

Continuation of Past Messages:

Muhammad’s message is a continuation and completion of the Divine Message given to Christ and, before him, to Moses (Peace be upon them). These moral principles explain the complexities of ethical values and show how human potential can be fully realized. They also expose the weaknesses of human beings, diagnose every sickness of their soul, and provide its cure.

That was how the perfection of human personality came about through the Message of the holy Prophet (Peace be upon him). Islamic teachings can be summed up in two words; Faith and Practice. Faith in Allah and righteous deeds dominate overwhelmingly Prophet Muhammad’s message.

Faith and Deeds:

The holy Quran clearly indicates that human salvation entirely depends on these two fundamental principles. It demands from us a pure and firm faith accompanied by pure and decent deeds. Verses like “Those who believe and do good deeds” are repeated scores of times in the holy Quran and it is made absolutely clear that our eternal success depends on nothing but true faith and good deeds.

I would have liked to explain this point further with greater details but unfortunately it is not possible to treat this subject in full detail on this occasion. Therefore, I would prefer to emphasize only those aspects of the holy Prophet’s message that particularly deal with humanity’s misconception of these two basic principles of faith and practice and how his message corrects those mistakes and shows them a perfect way of life through Divine guidance.

These misconceptions have led and continue to lead a major part of humanity away from their Creator and Sustainer, and have thrown them into the pit of ignorance and decadence. These mistakes are the root cause of the corruption of the human soul and condemn it to its eternal doom.

The first of those issues, made clear by Prophet Muhammad’s Message, is to determine the status of humanity in the whole universe, particularly in relation to other creatures of Allah, and this very principle is the root of the Muslim article of faith i.e. the Oneness of God. Before Islam, man used to regard himself inferior to most creatures of Allah.

He was awed by objects and creatures of nature such asa hard rock, a high mountain, a flowing river or a green tree, pouring rain or burning fire, fearsome jungles, poisonous snakes or roaring lions. He revered the milk-giving cow, the brilliant sun and the shining stars. Dark nights and weird forms would strike terror in his heart. In short, he would bow his head and worship anything that could either harm him or benefit him.

But Allah’s Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) brought him this message:“O people! These things are not your masters, rather you are their masters. You have not been created for their sake. They have been created to serve you. They are at your service, so why do you bow to them in worship? O Men! You are Allah’s viceroy and deputy in the universe. Therefore every thing in it has been put at your disposal. The universe is at your command. You have not been created for its sake.”

(Contd.)

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