Jerry Grote

AOL

#35532 Jun 5, 2013
Met Mad Hatter wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for being concerned about me getting "crazed", but I'm not I'm just tired of the stupidity and the M Donald Grantness of the Wilpons. We have 3 pitchers on this staff that do not have as many wins as Matt Harvey how pathetic is that. You know we have Wheeler in the minors yet he will languish there for another 10 days because the Wilpons are too cheap to go to arbitration 1 year early yet they built this billion dollar mausoleum which I drive past everyday on my way home from work. I know I started this situation with using the Yankees as an example of success to me the Yankees are no real threat to the Mets season until they both make the playoffs, I show no animosity towards them, but now I'm going to bring up an organization that as a Met fan I despise but I can't deny their success and they do directly affect the Mets. The Atlanta Braves. Seems to me that they always bring up their farmhands and stick with the through thick and thin and their farmhands don't let them down. Do you think Wheeler would be languishing in their minor leagues or Davis still up in the majors if Atlanta had him. This team can be competitive but the owners are their handicap. I don't abide by the so called "experts", there are volumes upon volumes of predictions that have proven them wrong.
You make some valid points and the fact that you brought up M. Donald Grant lets me know you are not an 18-25 year old fan. I am just not letting this year bother me. I have been a fan of this team since 1964 and sure the losing isn't good, but as an adult I don't let it bother me like it did when I was a kid.
I agree that predictions are useless. Most of the media makes predictions and when they are wrong, they never say they were. But, I just didn't think this team was that good going in to the season so I just shrug it off. I will tell you this though, unless somebody gives me free tickets, I wouldn't pay a dime to see this in person.

“Palpatine ain't no”

Since: Dec 10

Jimmy the Greek

#35533 Jun 5, 2013
Fast Eddie wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's another hint: it was BOTH! One does not exclude the other.
Veloz
Wrong, the Marlins didn't get the breaks, they made them by playing better and the Mets playing like crap. The end.

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35534 Jun 6, 2013
Jerry Grote wrote:
<quoted text>
You make some valid points and the fact that you brought up M. Donald Grant lets me know you are not an 18-25 year old fan. I am just not letting this year bother me. I have been a fan of this team since 1964 and sure the losing isn't good, but as an adult I don't let it bother me like it did when I was a kid.
I agree that predictions are useless. Most of the media makes predictions and when they are wrong, they never say they were. But, I just didn't think this team was that good going in to the season so I just shrug it off. I will tell you this though, unless somebody gives me free tickets, I wouldn't pay a dime to see this in person.
My dad took me to Shea on the first weekend it opened in 1964. The Mets played the pirates and lost a doubleheader pitifully. Every summer since then I spent at Shea in the .75 seats which we got by bringing in Bordens milk coupons, the type you cut off the milk cartons, that's how olds I am twenty five went by a while ago for me. I remember Seaver's rookie year and seeing Kranepool at 1st base, Ron Hunt, so I am not new at this game. Let me tell you something I judge Met attendance by traffic. When they play a day game that starts at 1:05 we usually hit the traffic when I leave work at 3:30 but lately that traffic has been lighter than usual and Citifield looks like a minor league stadium half full reminds me of 1979 when the place was empty. M Donald Grant chased Seaver away and the Jets, and the Wilpons are acting just like him.
Fast Eddie

Columbia, SC

#35535 Jun 6, 2013
Here's a weird fact: in the last week, the worst outing by a Mets starting pitcher was by emergency starter Collin McHugh; the second-worst was by Matt Harvey. When do we get back to the real world? So tonight it will be Marcum, followed by Niese, Harvey, Hefner and Gee. Let's see how many strong pitching performances the Mets get in these five games and who becomes the most likely candidate for demotion when Zack Wheeler finally arrives.

Mets fans have to work extra hard to stay interested in the team's day-to-day adventures.

Veloz
Baseball expert

New York, NY

#35536 Jun 6, 2013
Mets suck.

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35538 Jun 8, 2013
Things you can compare a Met-Marlins game to.

Two blind men having a gun fight.
A one legged man at a butt kicking contest
A three legged elephant at a Waltz contest
Handing out Life preservers on an Airline flight.
Getting a parachute on a submarine.
Watching a fish ride a bicycle.
Fast Eddie

Columbia, SC

#35539 Jun 9, 2013
I have to wonder about my own mental health; I actually watched all 20 innings of yesterday's shitfest. OMG, 22 runners left on base! But I did learn something from the experience: whenever the likes of Duda, Davis, Ankiel and Buck step up to the plate with runners in scoring position, it's a good time to go into the kitchen and make a sandwich; nothing good is about to happen. These guys are totally worthless with a bat in their hands.

Well, the Mets have actually done something about Ankiel: they shitcanned him and brought back Captain Kirk and his new-and-improved swing. We'll see about that. I look forward to a Nieuwenhuis-Lagares platoon in CF. At let we know that they can run, catch and throw at a MLB level. They should both get plenty of chances now to prove that their bats are ready for the big leagues. Or not.

The only question now is whether Sandy actually has the stones to send both Davis and Duda to the Nevada desert for some fine tuning. I hope so. Maybe Sin City will enable them to blow out some of the carbon. Getting laid by a showgirl every now and then can definitely work wonders for one's swing.(Don't ask how I know that.)

As for Buck, by now his tongue should be resting on his shoe-tops. The poor guy probably needed an intravenous drip after catching 20 innings yesterday. Time to give Anthony Recker some regular turns behind the plate. Could he possibly be
worse than the automatic out that the overworked Buck has become?

Bring on the kids, starting with Wheeler!

Veloz

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35540 Jun 9, 2013
Fast Eddie wrote:
I have to wonder about my own mental health; I actually watched all 20 innings of yesterday's shitfest. OMG, 22 runners left on base! But I did learn something from the experience: whenever the likes of Duda, Davis, Ankiel and Buck step up to the plate with runners in scoring position, it's a good time to go into the kitchen and make a sandwich; nothing good is about to happen. These guys are totally worthless with a bat in their hands.
Well, the Mets have actually done something about Ankiel: they shitcanned him and brought back Captain Kirk and his new-and-improved swing. We'll see about that. I look forward to a Nieuwenhuis-Lagares platoon in CF. At let we know that they can run, catch and throw at a MLB level. They should both get plenty of chances now to prove that their bats are ready for the big leagues. Or not.
The only question now is whether Sandy actually has the stones to send both Davis and Duda to the Nevada desert for some fine tuning. I hope so. Maybe Sin City will enable them to blow out some of the carbon. Getting laid by a showgirl every now and then can definitely work wonders for one's swing.(Don't ask how I know that.)
As for Buck, by now his tongue should be resting on his shoe-tops. The poor guy probably needed an intravenous drip after catching 20 innings yesterday. Time to give Anthony Recker some regular turns behind the plate. Could he possibly be
worse than the automatic out that the overworked Buck has become?
Bring on the kids, starting with Wheeler!
Veloz
Amen to everything Eddie.

“2014 ! The Bar is Open !”

Since: Dec 07

Daytona Beach

#35541 Jun 10, 2013
please keep the noise down in here; the Manager is trying to sleep
the don

Franklin Square, NY

#35542 Jun 10, 2013
Good nnews at last Met Management took a look at big Ikee's numbers and sent him to the desert at last.....

No all star team for him as Momma predicted...lol

“2014 ! The Bar is Open !”

Since: Dec 07

Daytona Beach

#35543 Jun 10, 2013
the don wrote:
Good nnews at last Met Management took a look at big Ikee's numbers and sent him to the desert at last.....
No all star team for him as Momma predicted...lol
more good news for Ike as well; Roulette tables are $10 min's at most casino's in the AM before they jump to $20 at noon. Might as well take a shot and put a month salary on 35 to 1.

Since: May 13

Stone Mountain, Georgia

#35544 Jun 10, 2013
Jerry Grote wrote:
<quoted text>
You make some valid points and the fact that you brought up M. Donald Grant lets me know you are not an 18-25 year old fan. I am just not letting this year bother me. I have been a fan of this team since 1964 and sure the losing isn't good, but as an adult I don't let it bother me like it did when I was a kid.
I agree that predictions are useless. Most of the media makes predictions and when they are wrong, they never say they were. But, I just didn't think this team was that good going in to the season so I just shrug it off. I will tell you this though, unless somebody gives me free tickets, I wouldn't pay a dime to see this in person.
You seem to be the most astute poster in here Jerry. I don't follow teams as much as I follow baseball. My take on the New York Mets is the same take Sandy Alderson took when he accepted the difficult job of rebuilding the team, it takes time and starts at the bottom working it's way to the top. The ML team Alderson took over on paper was respectable but had no direction or chemistry, the minor league system under Omar Minaya was in shambles. Alderson has stuck to his word and started at the bottom making shrewd trades for some top pitching prospects and the number one catching prospect in baseball. Look for Alderson at the trade deadline to be a major buyer for a productive outfielder using the youth he's accumulated these past few years. With alot of money being freed up this off-season look for him to pick up pieces to complete the puzzle. If things don't improve by at least fifteen games next season Met fans have a legitimate complaint, until then Sandy is just keeping his word.
Jerry Grote

AOL

#35545 Jun 10, 2013
What happens now with Davis? How long does he stay in Las Vegas?
As for this season, I know you all are angry about what is taking place, but this shouldn't be a shocker to anyone. They were bad going into the season and they have proven that second level players can only get you a couple of wins in a week. 3 if they get lucky.
Now blame the Wilpons all you want, but they handed over the team to Alderson and Podesta to run. We were told not to expect much, and we aren't getting much.
Alderson claims next season we should start seeing improvement. I will be the first person on here complaining if next June they are as bad as they are now. But, I am not getting myself crazed.
Eddie, I watched most of the game on Saturday as well. Perhaps the worst baseball game ever seen? We have seen a lot of bad baseball.
Jerry Grote

AOL

#35547 Jun 11, 2013
Sam Bowers Jr wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to be the most astute poster in here Jerry. I don't follow teams as much as I follow baseball. My take on the New York Mets is the same take Sandy Alderson took when he accepted the difficult job of rebuilding the team, it takes time and starts at the bottom working it's way to the top. The ML team Alderson took over on paper was respectable but had no direction or chemistry, the minor league system under Omar Minaya was in shambles. Alderson has stuck to his word and started at the bottom making shrewd trades for some top pitching prospects and the number one catching prospect in baseball. Look for Alderson at the trade deadline to be a major buyer for a productive outfielder using the youth he's accumulated these past few years. With alot of money being freed up this off-season look for him to pick up pieces to complete the puzzle. If things don't improve by at least fifteen games next season Met fans have a legitimate complaint, until then Sandy is just keeping his word.
Thanks Sam. You are pretty spot on with your analysis for a guy who says he doesn't follow any team.
I am giving this regime time, without being too critical of what is on the field now. Colin Cowgill and Omar Quintanilla are not Alderson's vision of the future. He adnitted on radio yesterday that many of these players are not core players. He is putting that together now.
The problem is, the success of the Yankees makes Met fans impatient. They don't remember 1965-75 or 1982-1995. Also the media here doesn't help either.

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35548 Jun 11, 2013
Well the Mets made several roster moves don't know if they are going to help but at this point they can't hurt anymore. I am just interested in whom they are going to send down or designate for assignment when Wheeler comes up to pitch next week. Should be interesting.
Fast Eddie

Columbia, SC

#35549 Jun 11, 2013
Watching tonight's game vs the Cardinals, I have to say that I came away impressed with their approach to hitting. They don't go up to the plate looking to run the count up on the pitcher, nor do they swing at ridiculous pitches. And they make a lot of contact with a two-strike count, keeping the AB alive. Keith Hernandez is right: the Mets' players would do well to watch the way the Cards play the game and try to emulate them.

And BTW, I never saw a pitcher throw so many ground balls in one inning with absolutely no success as Hefner did in the fifth frame tonight. Grounder after grounder either found a magical way to get past the Mets' infielders or got manhandled by by the boys in blue and orange. Five unearned runs! By the time Craig crunched his three-run homer, Hefner had already thrown 25 pitches in the inning in search of the elusive third out. He had to be tiring by the time he faced Craig.

When a team is horseshit, even the bouncers go against them.

Veloz

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35550 Jun 12, 2013
You know when someone says that you are going to have a bad team the first word that comes out of you mouth is usually How!!! How bad is this team going to be 20 games under .500, 30 games, maybe 40. Bad is a relative word. There are numerous adjectives you can put in front of bad that do a better job at preparing the fan for instance Very bad, extremely bad or you can use another word which is related to bad and that is HORRIBLE. Bad doesn't tell you much this team is non competitive and that tells the fans that you aren't worthy of watching and this team is not bad it is non competitive. If fans are told the truth then they wouldn't get crazed.
Jerry Grote

AOL

#35551 Jun 13, 2013
Interesting conversation during last night's Met-Cards game with Cohen, Darling, Hernandez and Burkhart.
Burkhart was relaying information about the "Cardinal way" of doing things. He was talking about the culture of their clubhouse, their history, former players, their past history, etc. Hernandez as a former Cardinal confirmed it and said they even had a book written about the Cardinal Way for all members of the organization to read and understand.
None of them would go there but this is exactly the opposite of the Met organization. If anything the Mets have never embraced their own history. Since the inception of the franchise, they have strived to somehow to keep the Dodger and Giant legacy alive rather than their own. In the early years, they drafted former Dodgers and Giants to fill out rosters thinking that was the only way to attract people to go see their games. They use to heavily promote when the Dodgers and Giants came to town and of course traded to get Willie Mays back to New York. The Mets have never embraced their own organization or identity. The constant changing of uniforms is another example of no tradition.
Then of course there is Citifield being a shrine to Jackie Robinson and Ebbets Field.
They didn't put in a Met museum until after fans complained.
The Mets as an organization have to start acting like they are a major league franchise with their own identity and history. They ahve been in New York 50 year, pretty soon they will have played the same amount of years in NY as the Giants and Dodgers.

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35552 Jun 13, 2013
Jerry Grote wrote:
Interesting conversation during last night's Met-Cards game with Cohen, Darling, Hernandez and Burkhart.
Burkhart was relaying information about the "Cardinal way" of doing things. He was talking about the culture of their clubhouse, their history, former players, their past history, etc. Hernandez as a former Cardinal confirmed it and said they even had a book written about the Cardinal Way for all members of the organization to read and understand.
None of them would go there but this is exactly the opposite of the Met organization. If anything the Mets have never embraced their own history. Since the inception of the franchise, they have strived to somehow to keep the Dodger and Giant legacy alive rather than their own. In the early years, they drafted former Dodgers and Giants to fill out rosters thinking that was the only way to attract people to go see their games. They use to heavily promote when the Dodgers and Giants came to town and of course traded to get Willie Mays back to New York. The Mets have never embraced their own organization or identity. The constant changing of uniforms is another example of no tradition.
Then of course there is Citifield being a shrine to Jackie Robinson and Ebbets Field.
They didn't put in a Met museum until after fans complained.
The Mets as an organization have to start acting like they are a major league franchise with their own identity and history. They ahve been in New York 50 year, pretty soon they will have played the same amount of years in NY as the Giants and Dodgers.
So true. The funny thing is that the Dodgers can trace their teams lineage to the year 1872 with the Brooklyn Atlantics of the National Association which in 1876 became the National League. The Giants started in 1883 as the New York Gothams. In 1883 another team existed in New York in the American Association and they were the New York Metropolitans yes the Mets and the sad this is they played in the first world series of baseball in 1884 against another team that went defunct the Providence Grays of the National League. So the took the name of the old Metropolitans and never bothered to adopt the identity of the Mets of the 1880's and keep it for themselves.

“Is this the best we have?”

Since: Aug 07

Emerald City

#35553 Jun 16, 2013
Read an article that interviewed Alderson and the sports writer was inferring that this coming off season Alderson would have a bit more money to play with once Bay and Santana's contracts come off the payroll. Well the most immediate need we have is a power hitting outfielder. That outfielder should be young (under 30 if possible) and a RBI machine. This is the list according to Cots baseball Contracts, you could go to Spotrac.com and get the same list, and the pickings are thin.
Alfredo Amezaga
Rick Ankiel
Jeff Baker
Jason Bay
Carlos Beltran
Shin-Soo Choo
Coco Crisp *
Nelson Cruz
Rajai Davis
David DeJesus
Mark DeRosa
Matt Diaz
Jacoby Ellsbury
Jeff Francoeur
Curtis Granderson
Franklin Gutierrez
Tony Gwynn Jr.
Corey Hart
Raul Ibanez
Reed Johnson *
Austin Kearns
Jason Kubel *
Nate McLouth
Nyjer Morgan
Mike Morse
David Murphy
Xavier Nady
Laynce Nix
Hunter Pence
Juan Rivera
Luke Scott
Ryan Sweeney
Andres Torres
Chris Young *
Delmon Young

Some of these guys are Minor Leaguers too.
From where I sit I only see two guys that would really help the Mets if we can sign them away from their present and those two guys are Jason Kubel and Hunter Pense, Granderson would be okay but he is hurt and the Yankees will resign him. There are some former Mets on the list like Beltran and Francoeur but I don't think they will be back. Good Luck with that.

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