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#553 May 2, 2013
Retired Tobacco Farmer wrote:
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The TEA Party is still alive and stronger than ever down here in Dixie. They are actually talking about a primary challenge to Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) because he is "not conservative enough" to suit them. They want another Rand Paul. Unless he does something to turn the Christian Right faction of the GOP against him Rand Paul is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2016. He probably won't win, but the TEA Party / Republicans will be strong enough to elect a solid phalanx of Senators from the Bible Belt states (Old South, Texas, Arizona, and the Plains). That will be enough to keep the Senate in deadlock.
This is the thought process and exact path, that will guarantee future defeat for the way off course Republican party...Tea Party House member's have done irreputabe harm to whatever trust, the GOP might have earned..........
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#554 May 2, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>This is the thought process and exact path, that will guarantee future defeat for the way off course Republican party...Tea Party House member's have done irreputabe harm to whatever trust, the GOP might have earned..........
First off, the Republican party is not off course. No. It was hijacked by a coalition of economic Libertarians and Christian Reconstructionists who want some sort of vague "Christian" theocracy. Libertarians compromised their social agenda and support the Christian Right's stand on the hot button "moral" issues (opposition to abortion and gay marriage). In return the Christian Reconstructionists support the Libertarians' economic policies via the "Christian economics" espoused by Rev. Gary North.

The hijacking was doe at two levels. From above, the Koch brothers and Libertarians like them poured billions into Right wing think tanks, PACs, etc. From below, the Christian Reconstructionists drove moderate Republicans out of the party. In some cases it was done over really local issues. For instance, in the county where I live we had a referendum to repeal Prohibition of alcohol three or four years ago. Preachers waged a hysterical campaign against allowing alcohol sales. In the course of it one of the preachers, also an official of the local Republican party, pretty much said that anybody who was on the "wet" side was no longer welcome in the GOP.

Given the conditions in the Bible Belt, I do not think the Republican party will go out. It may cease to be a national party, but it will have an iron grip on the South and the rest of the Bible Belt for decades, just like the "Dixiecrat" Democrats did. In that capacity it will still be strong enough to deadlock the Senate. Minimal government by paralysis.

The only real threat to it is if (or I think when) the Libertarians and Christian Right elements have a falling out. That will be one nasty fight.
shameless-li

Fairfield, CT

#555 May 6, 2013
Retired Tobacco Farmer wrote:
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First off, the Republican party is not off course.
somebody should tell palin that:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupi...

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#556 May 6, 2013
shameless-li wrote:
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somebody should tell palin that:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupi...
Have you ever noticed, some of the biggest knuckle draggers are likely in three states....West Virginia, Louisianna and Kentucky.....? Don't know, must be something in the water....lol....
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#557 May 8, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever noticed, some of the biggest knuckle draggers are likely in three states....West Virginia, Louisianna and Kentucky.....? Don't know, must be something in the water....lol....
I don't know about Louisiana, but Kentucky's and West Virginia's politics are products of those states' history and economies. They were slave states (OK before somebody corrects me, West Virrinia was part of a slave state, Virginia) before the Civil War. Both were strongly Unionist during the Civil War but were subsequently treated by the North as if they were conquered Confederate territory. They both shifted their sympathy to the South during Reconstruction and the have been Southern in orientation ever since. Starting in the 1890s both states became almost totally dependent on coal and agriculture. There were no other industries to speak of. Neither placed much value on education. Many Kentucky counties did not have a public high school until the 1930s.

Both states shared with the South the tradition of a local "Boss Hogg" who was the local Democratic Party boss. He was really the equivalent of a New York City ward boss, but local people thought he was all-powerful. The last generation of the Boss Hoggs died off in the 1980s. Christian fundamentalist preachers, mostly Southern Baptists, took the lead in politics.

In the last few decades there has been a kind of nostalgia for the past, not the real past but a kind of idealized "Little House on the Prairie" past. The Tea Party capitalized on that to hijack the Republican Party.
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#558 May 8, 2013
Many people who voted for Rand Paul for the U.S. Senate (and in the Republican primary when he defeated a middle-of-the-road Republican named Trey Greyson) did not know about or understand the Libertarian economic part of his political ideology. What they did understand was his stand on the hot button "moral" issues, mainly abortion.

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#559 May 8, 2013
RTF, you are correct....the tea party used embracing better times...to hijack much of the GOP.....to the real detriment of the country. Seem's the clear thinking elder's of the party, are just beginning to see need to divorce the party, back toward the middle.....House tea party republican's have displayed legislative treachery, that will be long remembered by the majority.....
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#560 May 8, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
RTF, you are correct....the tea party used embracing better times...to hijack much of the GOP.....to the real detriment of the country. Seem's the clear thinking elder's of the party, are just beginning to see need to divorce the party, back toward the middle.....House tea party republican's have displayed legislative treachery, that will be long remembered by the majority.....
Problem is most of the "thinking elders of the party" are no longer there. Look at all the incumbendent Republican senators and members of the house that the Tea Party beat in the primaries. Look at people like Georgia's Senator Saxby Chambliss (an old fashioned Eisenhower type middle way conservative) who is retiring because he knows that the Tea Party is likely to oust him in the next primary. A lot of younger Republicans are turning away from active participation in the GOP because of the Tea Party's extremism. They are not going to become "Blue" liberal Democrats, however. They might become "Blue Dog" Democrats if the Democratic party would move away from some of its more extreme liberal positions, but it is not doing that. Somewhere down the road (8-12 years) we may see a new Center Party emerge, one that is made up of disaffected "Middle Way" Republicans and Southern/Western/Rural everywhere "Blue Dog" Democrats.

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#561 May 8, 2013
What would you term, extreme liberal positions, fashioned by the democrats, that they need discard?....BTW, my Blue is about University of Michigan Wolverines....lol....just saying.....
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#562 May 8, 2013
If the Democrats are going to win over the disaffected "Middle Way" Republicans they are going to have to muzzle some of their leading figures like Nancy Pelosi and Bloomberg. That means a move away from support for or advocating legalization of gay marriage (that does not mean supporting reinstatement of the old sodomy laws, just ignore the subject entirely), stop advocating an absolute right to abortion and agree to sensible limits on it (limited to early in pregnancy, in cases where life or health of the mother was threatened, rape or incest, and cases in which the fetus would have serious birth defects), and move away from advocating "gun control" that amounts to confiscation the way Mayor Bloomberg does.

On the latter issue, I think that both sides need to look at the way Thompson sub-machine guns were banned in the 1930s and apply it to assault rifles. The NRA actually wrote the law that banned Thompsons. The NRA needs to rethink its image, too. I have been a member for many years and its magazine "American Rifleman" used to be full of articles and ads for various hunting rifles. Now it looks like "Soldier of Fortune". Folks on the Democratic "blue" side need to realize that it is OK for kids to be taught proper and safe use of a firearm, and not attack it the way they did in relation to the recent NRA convention. My father bought me a BB gun when I was 7, I shot my first squirrel with his .22 on a hunting trip with him the following fall, he bought me my first rifle (a bolt action .22 Marlin) for my 13th birthday, and I got my first deer with his .30-30 Winchester that fall.
Retired Tobacco Farmer

Crofton, KY

#563 May 8, 2013
On the political personality side, they are going to have to nominate people who are from the right "Blue Dog" wing of the Democratic party. President Obama was the worst possible candidate insofar as his background and stances energized the Republican right wing: black, father a Kenyan Muslim, spent much of his life overseas, rated the most liberal member of the Senate, etc. Those things made it possible for some closet racists who would otherwise have been powerless to take the lead. It would have been much harder if he had been the black son of a Mississippi farmer, great great grandson of slaves, member of a mainstream Baptist or AME church, and "down home" in his persona.

In the future the Democrats need to avoid nominating such lightning rod candidates. That means no Hillary Clinton. Instead go for a "down home" governor in the mold of Jimmy Carter. And make very sure there are no skeletons in the closet, no integrity issues like vexed those that vexed Bill Clinton.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#565 May 9, 2013
Just Saying wrote:
<quoted text>So says the pot to the kettle.
Sorry that you have problems with the truth in your imaginary world.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#566 May 9, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
RTF, you are correct....the tea party used embracing better times...to hijack much of the GOP.....to the real detriment of the country. Seem's the clear thinking elder's of the party, are just beginning to see need to divorce the party, back toward the middle.....House tea party republican's have displayed legislative treachery, that will be long remembered by the majority.....
Agreed.

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