Gun control forces struggle to keep issue alive

May 7, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SanLuisObispo.com

Kelly Ayotte, Max Baucus and others as they struggle to persuade five senators to switch their votes and revive the rejected effort to expand background checks to more firearms buyers.

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CBOW

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Looks like Odumbo and his minions have enough on their plate, IRS, AP intrusions, and Benghazi-gate. I love IT! Gun control agenda be damned!

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barefoot2626 wrote:
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Cause we know white people always obey the law.
Proof? Poll?

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Looks like Odumbo and his minions have enough on their plate, IRS, AP intrusions, and Benghazi-gate. I love IT! Gun control agenda be damned!
Barry and the Bunch.... The goof that keeps on giving....... HA HA HA

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barefoot2626 wrote:
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Cause we know white people always obey the law.
Here's some more garlic for you, rights vampire:

"Sir, may not human institutions, made by the best wisdom of man for human preservation, receive the light of illustration from institutions established for the same beneficent purpose, by the ordinances of the Diety himself? "The Judge of all the earth" has expounded the laws of the Eternal, so that his prohibition against "shedding man's blood" does aid, not abrogate, his own paramount law of self-preservation, but, in effect, place a weapon in each man's hands to shed that blood in his own defence. Who, then, will, or can deny, to a whole people, united and embodied in the persons of their representatives, under that great institution, their political law--that constitution which makes them a nation, and forms their representatives into a sovereignty--who, I say, dares deny to that sovereignty the same rights of self-defence which appertain, not only to every individual of that nation, but also to every animated being throughout the universe!..."

"[Pages 2971-72]... France has drenched the streets of her own beloved Paris in blood, to secure "freedom of the press." The type, sir, the type must pioneer the sword in the march of freedom. The voice of eloquence may startle the oppressed from his slumber of ages--it may shake the tyrant on his throne of a hundred descents, if they may be found within the compass of its mighty volume; but the more efficient powers of the press may spread out the printed roll of human rights before every human eye. Dare we, sir, dare we snatch that printed roll from the hand of the American people; and that, too, when it is fraught with our own doings touching their own concernments, entrusted by them in our management, but to their use and for their benefit?

"Sir, I do not recollect any thing material, said by the learned advocate, which now remains unanswered: for I pass over, as utterly unworthy of any reply, the allegation that the deed of daring done by the respondent was done by him because a certain letter was not answered by the gentleman from Ohio; not because words were spoken, or because words were printed, but because words were not written; not for a wrong done, but for not doing a wrong. Equally unworthy of notice is the poor evasion which labored to censure the gentleman from Ohio for carrying arms to secure his own personal safety. The bravo--the ruffian--may fill his belt with pistols, and his bosom with dirk-knives, and threaten violence to peaceable citizens, and do all this with perfect impunity; but if such citizens take to themselves weapons for purposes of self-defence--the only lawful cause for which men may ever wear such weapons--they are, as it is said, guilty of provoking aggression, and justly liable to punishment for any violation of the public peace, committed by any assault made on their own person."--Mr. Trisam Burges, Representative of Rhode Island, May 11, 1832.[Debates in Congress. Part III. of Vol. VIII. Register of Debates in Congress, Comprising The Leading Debates And Incidents Of The First Sssion of the Twenty-Second Congree: Together With An Appendix, Containing Important State Papers and Public Documents, and the Laws Enacted During The Session; With a Copius Index to the whole. Volume VIII. Washington: Printed and Published by Gales & Seaton. 1838.]
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GunShow1 wrote:
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Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, spam....

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barefoot2626 wrote:
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Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, spam....
Indeed, that is all that you treasonously seem to post.

"The institutions of law, medicine, and divinity, are in a most flourishing condition, and we count more than half a hundred colleges, with an immense number of minor schools. It is a country full of inventive power, which puts every particle of mind into action. It is also remarkable for enterprise, and the people seize upon all the improvements of other nations. It has a mass of population, which have, more than any other people, sound minds in sound bodies, arising more from its moral and political character, than from any other causes. It is a country that has no national religion, but, within her borders every one worships God in his own way, if he do not disturb his neighbour; a country without grades in society fixed by law, and where and primogeniture and entailment do not exist. It is a country where every one has a right to bear arms for protection and defence, and which could muster two millions of soldiers, if they were necessary, for self-defence. It is a country increasing in population, arts, sciences, letters, and wealth, with the comforts and enjoyments of social life, faster than any other in the world. In short, it is a country that "knows her rights, and knowing, dares maintain" them.

"Should we be content to take this heritage of ours, without being mindful what it cost our ancestors to present it to us, as it is? Or should we examine the subject most minutely, as we have time or leisure?

"Ours is the first nation in the annals of history, that became masters of themselves at once. Freedom has, in
general, been gained slowed, and lost rapidly."

- John Howard Hinton,[THE HISTORY AND TOPOGRAPHY OF THE UNITED STATES OF NORTH AMERICA, FROM THE EARLIEST PERIOD TO THE PRESENT TIME. COMPRISING POLITICAL AND BIOGRAPHICAL HISTORY; GEOGRAPHY, GEOLOGY, MINERALOGY, ZOOLOGY, AND BOTANY; AGRICULTURE MANUFACTURES, AND COMMERCE; LAWS, MANNERS, CUSTOMS, AND RELIGION; WITH A TOPOGRAPHICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CITIES, TOWNS, SEA-PORTS, PUBLIC EDIFICES, CANALS, &c. &c EDITED BY JOHN HOWARD HINTON, A.M. ASSISTED BY SEVERAL LITERARY GENTLEMEN IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA. A NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION, WITH ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS, BY SAMUEL L. KNAPP. "Much I avail my friends by all the zeal I show the dead" ILLUSTRATED WITH NUMEROUS ENGRAVINGS. VOL I. BOSTON: PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY SAMUEL WALKER... 1834]

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Indeed, that BY SAMUEL WALKER... 1834
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Spam, Egg, Spam, Spam, Bacon and Spam;
Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!
Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
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Indeed, that is all that you treasonously seem to post.
"Your treasonously treasonous post is treasonously treasonous!"

Shut up, Richard.......
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Here's some more garlic for you, rights vampire:
By the way, love your default cut-and-paste job. Way to have some original thoughts.

(Insert Rodney Dangerfield/Caddychack "Looks good on you, though!" face here)
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Just go blast your shotgun up in the air and through the door. Obama is so clean and articulate, I think that we should attack law abiding citizens, and go after the tools/firearms that are used in less than 1% of crimes. We should villainize all the normal folks that like guns and spread lies about them, gun owners and NRA members are child killing demons who want to murder little kids. But we also need to make abortion easier to get and allow late term abortions, Gosnell was a great pioneer. I would like to take this opportunity to parade the victims of tragedy across the stage and to exploit them. Fckng right!
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early for you to be so drunk. sober up.
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Just go blast your shotgun up in the air and through the door. Obama is so clean and articulate, I think that we should attack law abiding citizens, and go after the tools/firearms that are used in less than 1% of crimes. We should villainize all the normal folks that like guns and spread lies about them, gun owners and NRA members are child killing demons who want to murder little kids. But we also need to make abortion easier to get and allow late term abortions, Gosnell was a great pioneer. I would like to take this opportunity to parade the victims of tragedy across the stage and to exploit them. Fckng right!
Wow, that's pretty funny. I think I heard that idiot Michael Savage say the exact same thing word for word. What did you do? Copy off his teleprompter script? Another one with a Wikipedia degree & not an ounce of original thought in his petty little brain......
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Wow, that's pretty funny. I think I heard that idiot Michael Savage say the exact same thing word for word. What did you do? Copy off his teleprompter script? Another one with a Wikipedia degree & not an ounce of original thought in his petty little brain......
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Just go blast your shotgun up in the air and through the door. Obama is so clean and articulate, I think that we should attack law abiding citizens, and go after the tools/firearms that are used in less than 1% of crimes.
Made up numbers mean nothing.

Almost all Americans understand why universal background checks are needed on firearm sales.

Those with lower IQs do not and the felons and wife beaters hate the idea.

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Spam, Egg, Spam, Spam, Bacon and Spam;
"The American citizens are intelligent, well educated, and awake to the preservation their liberties; every where armed, and trained to the use of arms, and comprising a militia of nearly a million of free men, Are such a country, and such a people, in jeopardy; as to their freedom, from the existence a standing army of ten thousand men?"

- John Bristed,[THE RESOURCES OF THE OF AMERICA; OR, A VIEW OF THE AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, MANUFACTURING, FINANCIAL, POLITICAL, LITERARY, MORAL AND RELIGIOUS CAPACITY AND CHARACTER or THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BY JOHN BRISTED, COUNSELLOR AT LAW. AUTHOR OF THE RESOURCES Of THE BRITISH EMPIRE. PUBLISHED BY JAMES EASTBURN & CO. AT THE LITERARY ROOMS, BROADWAY, CORNHR OF PINE STREET. Abraham Paul, printer. 1818

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Made up numbers mean nothing.
Almost all Americans understand why universal background checks are needed on firearm sales.
Those with lower IQs do not and the felons and wife beaters hate the idea.
"The amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation.[1 ]
"The Right is General.--It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those persons who, under the law are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon. But the law may make provision for the enrolment of all who are fit to perform military duty, or of a small number only, or it may wholly omit to make any provision at all; and if the right were limited to those enrolled the purpose of this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action or neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check.

>>>>>>> >>>The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is that the people from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose.<<<<< <<<<<

But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than the mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in doing so the laws of public order."

[1] Tuck. Bl. Com. App. 300.

- Thomas McIntyre Cooley, The General Principles of Constitutional Law in the United States of America, Third Edition. 1898.(Thomas McIntyre Cooley, LL.D., was the 25th Justice and a Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court, between 1864 and 1885).
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Surely, the criminals and terrorists will follow the new laws. No one "needs" a large soda or a rifle, surely no one uses an accurate semi-automatic rifle on coyotes or foxes or woodchucks. I'm sure that everyone would like stop and frisk laws to come to their cities too. I am sure that no one noticed the Bloomberg Terminal snooping scandal.
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by a corn syrup overdose.

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Addled wrote:
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by a corn syrup overdose.
Here's something for you to "overdose" on:

U.S. LAW BOOK:

"29. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances [Amendments to the const. art. 1.[Pg. 72]

"30. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed [Amend to const. art 2] ib

- Laws of The United States of America, From The 4th Of March, 1789, To The 4th Of March, 1815, Including The Constitution Of The United States, The Old Act of Confederation, Treaties, And Many Other Valuable Ordinances And Documents; WithCopious Notes And References. Arranged And Published Under The Authority Of An Act of Congress. In Five Volumes. Vol. V. Published By John Bioren And W. John Duane, Philidelphia, And R.C. Weightman, Washington City. 1815.

Do you see "militia" there? NO you do NOT. Do you see "shall NOT be infringed"? YES, you most certainly DO.

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