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Teddy R

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cantthinkofaname wrote:
That's all I'm sayin' man. I still don't get why it's okay to buy an 'assault' type weapon and the purpose of owning one or ten even for law abiding citizens. When the constitution was written, they never could have imagined the type of weapons available today. It was a fair fight, one shot per person. <quoted text>
When the constitution was written, they intentionally wrote the 2A guaranteeing the right of the invidual citizen to keep and bear the military standard infantry arms of the day.

That Right stands unchanged today.

Your speculation on what the Founders could or could not have imagined of the future is foolish nonsense. The Founders could not have imagined the internet, television, cell phones or radio either. Would you allow the federal Government to stamp out your 1A Constitutional right of free speech on TV, radio, or the internet by the same logic?

The Constitution is not a buffet - you can't just pick out the Rights you happen to like and deny Americans others you don't.
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Sorry but that's a bunch of crap. By that definition, I can also own a machine gun, an anti-tank gun, grenade launchers, etc. Standard arms of the infantry include many other weapons. Where do you suppose we draw the line?
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The U.S. military onced used the AR-15 assault rifle and converted it to the M16 rifle. Look up AR-15 on wiki to learn it's history!
Teddy R

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cantthinkofaname wrote:
Sorry but that's a bunch of crap. By that definition, I can also own a machine gun, an anti-tank gun, grenade launchers, etc. Standard arms of the infantry include many other weapons. Where do you suppose we draw the line?
Yes - you can, if you are willing to be fingerprinted, undergo the required background checks, and pay an exorbitant tax, and obtain the required Federal license.

The line has already been drawn by the NFA of 1934:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearm...

The long-standing settled law of the land, and AR-15s have been freely available for sale to the general public inder this law since 1963.

Nothing new here - and no good reason whatsoever to be monkeying around with treasonous attempts to infringe on Americans' God-given Rights as they are enshrined in black-and-white text in the US Constitution.

So you think that's a "bunch of crap?" Well, if so, it's no more or less a "bunch of crap" than my insisting on bringing the power of the US federal government down on your head to infringe your 1st Amendment Rights by prohibiting you from posting your ideas here on Topix because I consider them to be dangerously seditious and treasonous attacks on the Constitution (which I wouldn't even think of doing, btw - I'd defend to the death your right to post your ideas, even though I find them patently dangerous, foolish, naive and ignorant).

And it's no more or less a "bunch of crap" than you demanding the US federal government deny the 1A Rights of Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck,(and all the rest of those far-right wingnuts you you and your fellow intolerant progressive Statist control-freak chums find soooo SCARY!) from broadcasting their ideas - simply because YOU DON'T LIKE THEM.

Because - you know - the Founders could not possibly have foreseen the profound dangers posed to the American body politic by grossly violent films and video games, TV, radio, of the Internet, right?

So if my defense of the Peoples' Right to keep and bear Arms, which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, against the depredations of those like yourself and progressive traitors in Washington who are trying every means of infringing upon them is "a bunch of crap," so is ANY defense you might make of preserving the People's 1A Rights from being infringed upon by the same logic.

You cannot have it both ways. We are not a democracy, we are not a nation of rule by the lowest common denominator, demogogue, popularity contest, or popular meme, we are a nation of LAWS and CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES, whether popular or not.

It's a package deal - you and the politicians in power at any point don't get to pick and choose between classes of Americans or their Constitutional Rights they will preserve protect and defend. I may think you're full of shyte, but I am bound to respect your right to post or broadcast your nonsense ideas by wahtever technical means. Likewise, you and the traitorous gun-grabbers are just going to have to get over the notion that you are going to have to live quietly with fellow Americans who choose to keep and bear arms, as is their right - EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM OR AGREE WITH THEM. It's messy, it's ugly, it's unpleasant, but it's AMERICA.

Get over it - or move to Europe where they don't have written Constitutional protections of their Rights against depredations by their Governments.
Teddy R

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Proud liberal wrote:
The U.S. military onced used the AR-15 assault rifle and converted it to the M16 rifle. Look up AR-15 on wiki to learn it's history!
You display your ignorance once again.

The military service weapon (NOT for the civilian market) ORIGINALLY developed by Armalite under the designation AR-15 was a fully-automatic (select-fire) weapon.

The US Military NEVER "used the AR-15."

Educate yourself:

"The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

To repeat the essential point on which your partisan progressive gun-grabbing control-freak meme-spinning mind still keeps you in a state of proud ignorance -

THE AR-15 RIFLE THAT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SINCE 1963 IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN FULLY AUTOMATIC, IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A STANDARD ISSUE WEAPON IN ANY MILITARY ON THE PLANET, AND THEREFORE IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN "ASSAULT WEAPON" by your own definition.

M16/M16A1/M16A2: Assault weapon. Fully automatic (select fire), standard-issue military service weapon.

AR-15: Not an assault weapon. Incapable of automatic fire. Not a military service weapon anywhere in the world.

How much longer are you going to insist on humiliating yourself with these public displays of chronic proud ignorance? Do you think you are making some kind of intelligent point here, or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?
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Proud liberal wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes the truth hurts! I know you NRA supporters have trouble accepting the truth!
You want truth? The truth is that you are not even "Liberal." Thomas Jefferson was a liberal.

You want to take rights away from law-abiding citizens. That is not liberal, that is tyrannical.

You cheer for the disarming of citizens because you have no knowledge of, nor comprehension of history. You have been programed by the idiotic propaganda that we call the media.

You are small-minded and thus choose to vicariously feel powerful by supporting a totalitarian, nanny-state, overbearing government.

What you fail to realize is that by disarming the people, you give the government a monopoly on power and force. When that happens, the government has no reason to fear the people. If the government has no reason to fear the people, they have no reason to serve us.

Soviet Russia didn't disarm the people to prevent school shootings. Communist Russia didn't disarm the people to prevent theater shootings. Hitler didn't disarm the people to fight crime.

That is not to say that your precious democrats currently trying to disarm us have the same intent as Hitler or Mao. Maybe they are just fools like you. But if they do manage to disarm us... someone like Hitler or Mao WILL come along and exploit the fact that we are nothing more than sitting ducks.

In addition, a gun confiscation will not make anyone safer on the street level. Only the legal guns owned by responsible law-abiding citizens will be taken off the street. The guns illegally possessed by criminals (ya know... the people that shoot people) will still be out there. Those criminals, by the way, will not only be armed with a gun. They will be armed with the knowledge that there is no chance that you could defend yourself. Good luck.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson, 1764
Teddy R

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"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

Learn more about present-day leftist/elitist media totalitarian oppression, programming, and suppression of free speech: http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quot...
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Teddy R wrote:
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.
Learn more about present-day leftist/elitist media totalitarian oppression, programming, and suppression of free speech: http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quot...
It is creating a nation of dim-wits like Proud "Liberal" that have no understanding of history and are only capable of regurgitating mindless talking points.

Somehow it became fashionable to blindly follow one of the two corrupt and completely hijacked parties and it became unfashionable to think for one's self.
Teddy R

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Jan 1, 2013
 
An excellent comprehensive exposition of the case against more wrong-headed gun control by the federal government that deserves to be read and carefully considered by every serious, thinking American:

http://1389blog.com/2012/12/23/larry-correia-...
Ronald

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Teddy R wrote:
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When the constitution was written, they intentionally wrote the 2A guaranteeing the right of the invidual citizen to keep and bear the military standard infantry arms of the day.
That Right stands unchanged today.
Your speculation on what the Founders could or could not have imagined of the future is foolish nonsense. The Founders could not have imagined the internet, television, cell phones or radio either. Would you allow the federal Government to stamp out your 1A Constitutional right of free speech on TV, radio, or the internet by the same logic?
The Constitution is not a buffet - you can't just pick out the Rights you happen to like and deny Americans others you don't.
Teddy R.

Yes. You are right. When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they could never have imagined self-hating White "Liberals" and the Africans rampaging through every city, empowered by corrupt self-serving politicians and high paid agenda driven Government judges. As long as they do, though, there will always be the need for the Second Amendment. There is nothing more dangerous to society than duplicitous White "Liberals" and the Africans.

Ronald
cantthinkofaname

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Ya know something Teddy, you and the rest of your ilk scare me more than any gun. God given rights? God has nothing to do with this you dork. How dare you.
Teddy R wrote:
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Yes - you can, if you are willing to be fingerprinted, undergo the required background checks, and pay an exorbitant tax, and obtain the required Federal license.
The line has already been drawn by the NFA of 1934:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearm...
The long-standing settled law of the land, and AR-15s have been freely available for sale to the general public inder this law since 1963.
Nothing new here - and no good reason whatsoever to be monkeying around with treasonous attempts to infringe on Americans' God-given Rights as they are enshrined in black-and-white text in the US Constitution.
So you think that's a "bunch of crap?" Well, if so, it's no more or less a "bunch of crap" than my insisting on bringing the power of the US federal government down on your head to infringe your 1st Amendment Rights by prohibiting you from posting your ideas here on Topix because I consider them to be dangerously seditious and treasonous attacks on the Constitution (which I wouldn't even think of doing, btw - I'd defend to the death your right to post your ideas, even though I find them patently dangerous, foolish, naive and ignorant).
And it's no more or less a "bunch of crap" than you demanding the US federal government deny the 1A Rights of Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck,(and all the rest of those far-right wingnuts you you and your fellow intolerant progressive Statist control-freak chums find soooo SCARY!) from broadcasting their ideas - simply because YOU DON'T LIKE THEM.
Because - you know - the Founders could not possibly have foreseen the profound dangers posed to the American body politic by grossly violent films and video games, TV, radio, of the Internet, right?
So if my defense of the Peoples' Right to keep and bear Arms, which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, against the depredations of those like yourself and progressive traitors in Washington who are trying every means of infringing upon them is "a bunch of crap," so is ANY defense you might make of preserving the People's 1A Rights from being infringed upon by the same logic.
You cannot have it both ways. We are not a democracy, we are not a nation of rule by the lowest common denominator, demogogue, popularity contest, or popular meme, we are a nation of LAWS and CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES, whether popular or not.
It's a package deal - you and the politicians in power at any point don't get to pick and choose between classes of Americans or their Constitutional Rights they will preserve protect and defend. I may think you're full of shyte, but I am bound to respect your right to post or broadcast your nonsense ideas by wahtever technical means. Likewise, you and the traitorous gun-grabbers are just going to have to get over the notion that you are going to have to live quietly with fellow Americans who choose to keep and bear arms, as is their right - EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM OR AGREE WITH THEM. It's messy, it's ugly, it's unpleasant, but it's AMERICA.
Get over it - or move to Europe where they don't have written Constitutional protections of their Rights against depredations by their Governments.
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cantthinkofaname wrote:
Ya know something Teddy, you and the rest of your ilk scare me more than any gun. God given rights? God has nothing to do with this you dork. How dare you.<quoted text>
People ignorant of history scare me.

From where, or whom, do Rights come from, as noted by the Founders?
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cantthinkofaname wrote:
Ya know something Teddy, you and the rest of your ilk scare me more than any gun. God given rights? God has nothing to do with this you dork. How dare you.<quoted text>
People from other countries, such as Canada and other socialist countries telling Americans what's best for us, bother the hell out of me. What scares me is the thought of you moving to the United States. We are already overrun by silly-ass people such as yourself.
Teddy R

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"According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Teddy R

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Say the Truth wrote:
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People ignorant of history scare me.
From where, or whom, do Rights come from, as noted by the Founders?
Precisely.

The answer from our poor canuck friend and cousin, whose Rights are limited to only those some hereditary monarch has deigned to give him, should be enlightening - if indeed you ever get a straight answer out of him.
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First of all - I have no idea why it says Canada - I'm from New York. New York City.l Secondly (and I've stated this many times) I am not an opponent of taking anyones rights away. Law abiding citizens have every right to own any damn thing they want. I am for making it a little more difficult for any maniac to go buy any damn gun they feel like. So calm the hell down. Oh and BTW - why don't you go outside and play hide and go fk yourself.
The Stinker wrote:
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People from other countries, such as Canada and other socialist countries telling Americans what's best for us, bother the hell out of me. What scares me is the thought of you moving to the United States. We are already overrun by silly-ass people such as yourself.
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cantthinkofaname wrote:
First of all - I have no idea why it says Canada - I'm from New York. New York City.l Secondly (and I've stated this many times) I am not an opponent of taking anyones rights away. Law abiding citizens have every right to own any damn thing they want. I am for making it a little more difficult for any maniac to go buy any damn gun they feel like. So calm the hell down. Oh and BTW - why don't you go outside and play hide and go fk yourself.<quoted text>
That last comment of yours rules out any chance of having a halfway intelligent debate.

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cantthinkofaname wrote:
Sorry but that's a bunch of crap. By that definition, I can also own a machine gun, an anti-tank gun, grenade launchers, etc. Standard arms of the infantry include many other weapons. Where do you suppose we draw the line?
We should not draw the line. That's the whole point, communist.

Only a dumb idiot wants the Govt to be armed more than the people. Why do you want the criminal to be armed and the good people to be unarmed ? Are you in a nuthouse ?
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Hahaha communist. Who said anything about good people being unarmed? Not me! Where did you get that crap from. I never said anything of the sort. I think you're the one in the nuthouse. So what you're saying is that if I were in a nuthouse I should be able to go out and buy a gun no questions asked, right? That's the line. You really have a problem with that?
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<quoted text>We should not draw the line. That's the whole point, communist.
Only a dumb idiot wants the Govt to be armed more than the people. Why do you want the criminal to be armed and the good people to be unarmed ? Are you in a nuthouse ?
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I knew you were a pompous ass. Calling my comments treasonous? Really? You obviously didn't read or comprehend a word I said because you were busy making speeches. You deserved my last comment. Just a matter of time till the next massacre happens.
I'm done.
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That last comment of yours rules out any chance of having a halfway intelligent debate.

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