Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 326521 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Katie

Auburn, WA

#283628 Feb 12, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>When I call someone a myopic jerk or a misogynist, or an arrogant ass, it's because it's an accurate description of their behavior and language. I'm not going to mince words when they call me a baby-killer and a murderer. How dare they be indignant? How hypocritical.
Agree, Elise, definitely. The hypocrisy is astounding. They can't be blind to it, though I have given the benefit of the doubt. At times. And it is waning.

They do not offer a pretty picture or even make an attempt to do so when stating their thinly disguised ad hominems as PL arguments. Why would I even consider their views? Even for the briefest of moments? Name-calling, absurd accusations, inability to comprehend what they read, lack of asking for clarification, etc., it goes on and on and on.

Why should I again offer an olive branch. I have. And it's been refused.

So here we are.

But Obskeptic chastises me?

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283629 Feb 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me how often a baby survived a hundred years ago with only have 50% capacity for exchanging gases without any artificial life support. How prevalent was that prior to using to modern technology (even if it just meant mouth to mouth on the struggling newborn)?
To read Doc's posts (i won't even bother with yours), one would think a physician would determine fetus may have 50% chance or better at exchanging gases on its own, birth it prior to its due date, put it on ALS, and there will always be a happy ending. What Doc doesn't or won't take into consideration is that if the newborn doesn't survive, even will all it seemed to have going for it, then it wasn't viable. His postings, his thoughts, his understanding of how ALS is used, belies the fact he doesn't get it.
And I'm cool with that. Y'all can just keep your lame name-calling to yourselves. And if you don't like others doing it, you're only being hypocritical when you do it to others.
But, hey, I'm cool with y'all showing your true colors.
"Y'all"? Damn straight we'll show our true colors. Our colors show we have intelligence and knowledge, while yours show your ignorance, senselessness and idiocy.

You're the idiot talking about something different from what the topic of viability is about. You're talking about viable newborns, and newborns have nothing to do with the abortion issue, pinhead. The issue is a viable FETUS. Needing ALS for a time doesn't negate the viability of a fetus.

100 years ago is irrelevant, since abortion wasn't legal then, and "viability" wasn't an issue.

I don't blame you for not bothering to read mine along with Doc's, because you can't handle that much SENSE coming at you.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283630 Feb 12, 2013
Katie: "To read Doc's posts (i won't even bother with yours), one would think a physician would determine fetus may have 50% chance or better at exchanging gases on its own, birth it prior to its due date, put it on ALS, and there will always be a happy ending. What Doc doesn't or won't take into consideration is that if the newborn doesn't survive, even will all it seemed to have going for it, then it wasn't viable."

You only see it that way because you haven't the foggiest idea what viability of a fetus is about, or what a viable FETUS is.

It's about the POTENTIAL a fetus has to survive outside of the womb, not about definite survival. It's about the chances a fetus has to survive outside of the womb, even with ALS. With regard to the abortion issue, viability is determined BEFORE birth. A fetus is considered viable or not BEFORE birth.

Your viewpoint and arguments are about once born. Epic fail.

Your ability to understand what a viable FETUS is, as well as understanding this is all in reference to the abortion issue, so viability of a fetus isn't something that needs to be "reached" AFTER being born, is also an epic fail. Sense would tell you that once born, it's not a fetus, it's a newborn infant. The abortion issue isn't about newborn infants. Sense fails you every time, because you don't have any.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283631 Feb 12, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Katie, is there any subject at all that a person who disagrees with the lefts political position can discuss without the intolerance and demonizing? I'm not suggesting that its just you either. The lack of intellectual honesty and objectivity from most of the PC posters is glaring and obvious. Many responses consists of nothing more then name calling. The kind of name calling that takes me back to the days of junior high. Can we at least try to conduct ourselves as respectful adults here or must I continue responding to the opposition in the same manner? Who cares if Doc is PC or PL, he makes some excellent points even if I were to disagree with some of them.
ALL PLers felt the same as you did when we first entered this thread. Stay a year or so and then find out who begins with the name calling and why PLers dish it out a bit too. In a much milder form than that of the PCers. Funny thing is, PCers call us "bitch", "c***", "a**hole", "Katie called us "fk'n retards" etc., and they are the ones offended by name calling that shouldn't bother anyone unless they're children, like "bonehead" or "pinhead".

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#283632 Feb 12, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
To answer your last question, Katie, I think that's EXACTLY what these anti-choice guys like "Gtown" and "Obskeptik" want. Let 'em squawk. I have NO intention of being a doormat for these bozos, I don't think any other prochoicer will do that either.:-)
Yet when fundies like Zach, Tom Tom and Knut hurl all sorts of insults the very same whiners fall silent.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#283633 Feb 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree, Elise, definitely. The hypocrisy is astounding. They can't be blind to it, though I have given the benefit of the doubt. At times. And it is waning.
They do not offer a pretty picture or even make an attempt to do so when stating their thinly disguised ad hominems as PL arguments. Why would I even consider their views? Even for the briefest of moments? Name-calling, absurd accusations, inability to comprehend what they read, lack of asking for clarification, etc., it goes on and on and on.
Why should I again offer an olive branch. I have. And it's been refused.
So here we are.
But Obskeptic chastises me?
That poster has obviously been here under another name. If she/he wants to start over with a different take and attitude, that's great, but why not just do it as the original poster? Silly and dishonest, imo.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283634 Feb 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me. I use name-calling very little here. Usually dish it back after it's been dished out to me. What the opposition does is hold the entire group of PC people responsible for a couple or few posters. It's disgusting.
Last year, when I was wrongly accused of supporting infanticide, I stuck it to 'em and they trot this out as if it was current. Even though I refrain from using the same phrase, there are a couple (or one poster under different SNs) who keep rubbing my face in it.
So you tell me. Above you chastise me when I am standing up for myself. You want me to cringe into the woodwork and get walked on like a doormat?
Just admit you have no self-control and that you like to play victim, Katie, blaming the big bad PLers for YOUR actions that got you banned.

Katie: "You want me to cringe into the woodwork and get walked on like a doormat?"

That's funny, because that's what you PC have expected of the PLers here, and we're the ones not taking PC bullshit here.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283635 Feb 12, 2013
Katie got banned because PLers were challenging her on the STUPIDITY and senselessness that she posted here, and she lashed out irrationally.

That was Katie's doing and no one else's.
Anonymous

United States

#283636 Feb 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me. I use name-calling very little here. Usually dish it back after it's been dished out to me. What the opposition does is hold the entire group of PC people responsible for a couple or few posters. It's disgusting.
Last year, when I was wrongly accused of supporting infanticide, I stuck it to 'em and they trot this out as if it was current. Even though I refrain from using the same phrase, there are a couple (or one poster under different SNs) who keep rubbing my face in it.
So you tell me. Above you chastise me when I am standing up for myself. You want me to cringe into the woodwork and get walked on like a doormat?
Yes Katie, it seems we all have a problem with lashing back, when others call us names. I cheated on my wife, and it is something I'm not very proud of, but I also don't feel like wearing the big A on my chest either. I brought out my affair, and the fact about the child, becouse of my story of salvation.

If I were to meet you, Ocean, elise, long night moon, cpeter, foo, or any other pro choice person, I'm sure we would be able to have a good conversation.

I like each and every one of you, but only disagree with your abortion stance.
Having said that, I also admit that I was for, and would have choose abortion at one time in my life.

I have no doubt that you each are great people, and do many good things.
Most of you truly believe in what you believe, but so do I and others.

I asked you if you considered the aborting of a viable fetus as murder, and really would like to know.
Ocean defends those who need no defence. Those who want to be all alone, without marriage or kids are free to do so, but if a woman is wanting to be sexualy active and all alone at the same time, she runs the risk of having to stop a tiny heart from beating, in order to live the way she wishes.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283637 Feb 12, 2013
Where's Ayakaneo with her lies that I'm only here to go after Foo? Obviously, Katie's posting stupidity and I'm going after hers. It's what we PL do here. PCers post ignorance, stupidity and unsubstantiated claims, while PLers post the facts and can prove the facts.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#283638 Feb 12, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Katie, it seems we all have a problem with lashing back, when others call us names. I cheated on my wife, and it is something I'm not very proud of, but I also don't feel like wearing the big A on my chest either. I brought out my affair, and the fact about the child, becouse of my story of salvation.
If I were to meet you, Ocean, elise, long night moon, cpeter, foo, or any other pro choice person, I'm sure we would be able to have a good conversation.
I like each and every one of you, but only disagree with your abortion stance.
Having said that, I also admit that I was for, and would have choose abortion at one time in my life.
I have no doubt that you each are great people, and do many good things.
Most of you truly believe in what you believe, but so do I and others.
I asked you if you considered the aborting of a viable fetus as murder, and really would like to know.
Ocean defends those who need no defence. Those who want to be all alone, without marriage or kids are free to do so, but if a woman is wanting to be sexualy active and all alone at the same time, she runs the risk of having to stop a tiny heart from beating, in order to live the way she wishes.
Big mistake for any PLer to share anything personal here, and for your own good, don't ever get suckered into e-mailing with them, Especially that Foo poster. We've all seen what she does to people who e-mail with her.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#283639 Feb 12, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Katie, it seems we all have a problem with lashing back, when others call us names. I cheated on my wife, and it is something I'm not very proud of, but I also don't feel like wearing the big A on my chest either. I brought out my affair, and the fact about the child, becouse of my story of salvation.j
If I were to meet you, Ocean, elise, long night moon, cpeter, foo, or any other pro choice person, I'm sure we would be able to have a good conversation.
I like each and every one of you, but only disagree with your abortion stance.
Having said that, I also admit that I was for, and would have choose abortion at one time in my life.
I have no doubt that you each are great people, and do many good things.
Most of you truly believe in what you believe, but so do I and others.
I asked you if you considered the aborting of a viable fetus as murder, and really would like to know.
Ocean defends those who need no defence. Those who want to be all alone, without marriage or kids are free to do so, but if a woman is wanting to be sexualy active and all alone at the same time, she runs the risk of having to stop a tiny heart from beating, in order to live the way she wishes.
Gtown71, I just want to go on the record and say that I, personally, have never put you down for your past. I can't, being with my own faults. I hope that I wouldn't, even If I was faultless. I obviously have a problem with your tendency to be sanctimonious. I notice that you have a problem with my tendency towards arrogance. That's cool. I have to admit that I like you:-)
Anonymous

United States

#283640 Feb 12, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Gtown71, I just want to go on the record and say that I, personally, have never put you down for your past. I can't, being with my own faults. I hope that I wouldn't, even If I was faultless. I obviously have a problem with your tendency to be sanctimonious. I notice that you have a problem with my tendency towards arrogance. That's cool. I have to admit that I like you:-)
Same here, as far as me not trying to beat you up for your past. I have said things I regret, not about my own sin, but that of others. I cannot expect anything less then what I've got from those I've attacked.:)
Anonymous

United States

#283641 Feb 12, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Big mistake for any PLer to share anything personal here, and for your own good, don't ever get suckered into e-mailing with them, Especially that Foo poster. We've all seen what she does to people who e-mail with her.
Yes I've been told that before. Lol

I didn't know why you kept on and on over one post, but after dealing with foo, I now fully understand why you did what you did.:)

It seems she looks for any opportunity to call someone a liar.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#283642 Feb 12, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Just admit you have no self-control and that you like to play victim,
Oh the IRONY!

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#283643 Feb 12, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Big mistake for any PLer to share anything personal here, and for your own good, don't ever get suckered into e-mailing with them, Especially that Foo poster. We've all seen what she does to people who e-mail with her.
ROFLMAO Funny, I've emailed with MOST people here - on BOTH sides of the issue at one time or another and not ONE of them has had a problem with my emailing with them.

YOU havent had a problem either. I asked if you'd allow me to post what would be further proof of your mutually abusive relationship, and you're too cowardly to allow that.

ANYONE had me misuse any PM or email EVER? Anyone? ANYONE?

LOL Piss off Lynniekins. You just cant HELP yourself with starting shit where none exists. Typical of you really.
Katie

Auburn, WA

#283644 Feb 12, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Katie, it seems we all have a problem with lashing back, when others call us names. I cheated on my wife, and it is something I'm not very proud of, but I also don't feel like wearing the big A on my chest either. I brought out my affair, and the fact about the child, becouse of my story of salvation.
Umkay...? Havve Iever rubbed your nose in it? Even once?
If I were to meet you, Ocean, elise, long night moon, cpeter, foo, or any other pro choice person, I'm sure we would be able to have a good conversation.
Maybe. But your goal is to steal women's civil rights. Not just mine or Coeans, Elise's, LNM's, or Foo's, but our descendants, too. You have a daughter. You are trying to steal her rights away, too. Before you even have an opportunity to need these.

You are aware that Roe v Wade also protects women from forced abortion, right? That reproductive decisions belong with the person deciding; not the gov't, not the clergy, not nosy parkers like you.
I like each and every one of you, but only disagree with your abortion stance.
Having said that, I also admit that I was for, and would have choose abortion at one time in my life.
Are you a woman then?
I have no doubt that you each are great people, and do many good things.
Most of you truly believe in what you believe, but so do I and others.
I asked you if you considered the aborting of a viable fetus as murder, and really would like to know.
Ocean defends those who need no defence. Those who want to be all alone, without marriage or kids are free to do so, but if a woman is wanting to be sexualy active and all alone at the same time, she runs the risk of having to stop a tiny heart from beating, in order to live the way she wishes.
It doesn't matter if I think aborting a viable fetus is murder or not. I am not the one having to make that difficult choice for reasons I am not privy to, but usually involves a life or two at stake.

For a group that likes to compare pregnancy to conjoined twins, how come nobody comments on when the weaker twin is allowed to die so the stronger one can live?
Katie

Auburn, WA

#283645 Feb 12, 2013
wow, sorry for the typos. hope people can get what is meant.
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#283646 Feb 12, 2013
Where is His Gayness?
Forum

Hobbs, NM

#283648 Feb 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me how often a baby survived a hundred years ago with only have 50% capacity for exchanging gases without any artificial life support. How prevalent was that prior to using to modern technology (even if it just meant mouth to mouth on the struggling newborn)?
To read Doc's posts (i won't even bother with yours), one would think a physician would determine fetus may have 50% chance or better at exchanging gases on its own, birth it prior to its due date, put it on ALS, and there will always be a happy ending. What Doc doesn't or won't take into consideration is that if the newborn doesn't survive, even will all it seemed to have going for it, then it wasn't viable. His postings, his thoughts, his understanding of how ALS is used, belies the fact he doesn't get it.
And I'm cool with that. Y'all can just keep your lame name-calling to yourselves. And if you don't like others doing it, you're only being hypocritical when you do it to others.
But, hey, I'm cool with y'all showing your true colors.
Aren't doctors and nurses just a joke. I am sure my grandmother
had her twelve babies at home without a doctor cutting her
or putting chemicals in her. These men just enjoy hurting women.
No one knows how they hurt our babies. God knows.

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