Story of the Year: It's Global Warming, Stupid

[tina anne]

Wallop10 wrote:

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The American Association for the Advancement of Science? You were making some crazy statements about them, that's the reason I guess.
And NASA, NAS, Royalty Society, etc etc... you just ignore these.
HA HA HA
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Your **blank list** is ...telling.
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Since you have never produced an official NASA website {as evidenced by their logo} that says anything except global warming is a SERIOUS threat...
just another looney post where you are tying yourself up in knots.
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YOU couldn't, remember? Gee, you have amnesia.
Else you are lying. Guess which one I suspect.
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Gee, your computer programs you claim to write for a living must be garbage too, unless they can speak to you. You're a riot.
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I know of NO bigger liar here than you!

What was crazy about what I said. I even included a link to thier web page that talked about how they have scientist working with politicians (lobbying). And I have produced sites that disagree with your claims that featured the NASA logo. As I said before, it is public domain so anyone can use it. Including me.

I also noticed that you claim that the programs (models) I have written must be garbage. Yet that "garbage" has made millions and predicted the housing bubble with a high degree of accuracy. It has predicted the unemployment rate within point two for the past five years.

You also claim that I am lying and yet your only proof is that I contratdict what you what to believe is true. If an impartial third party was to review this claim they would start to wonder if the problem isn't with what you need to feel is true. That you have become so emotionally invested in this belief that you feel a need to attack, to call it a lie in order to shield your fragile ego.

[tina anne]

Wallop10 wrote:

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Ah a Rush Limbaugh Dittohead.
I see where you get your "science" from.

You mean researching what all interested parties are saying before leaping to an conclusion.

The odds that everything Limbaugh is saying is wrong is small. As the old saying goes, "Even the blind squrril will occassionally find a nut". Of course the fact that climate change is more a political issue than a scientific one means that Limbuagh has his finger on the pulse of one major group in this country and that group is a major voting block.

[shameless-li]

tina anne wrote:

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As the old saying goes, "Even the blind squrril will occassionally find a nut".

how true...

[PHD]

tina anne wrote:

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No more than the time reading skepticalscience. The real purpose is to see what different sides of the argument are saying and Limbaugh gives preference to those who disagree with him when screening callers. After all, it improves his ratings when he does. It is similar to how you compare Wallop and myself. Topix would cease to exist is everyone here agreed with each other.

Limbaugh the commander of drug abuse. He is pure entertainment to some. No I don't compare you to wallop10 that gets walloped again and again. Sit down now you are many steps and a cut above the wallop10 AKA walloped agian and again. If the ratings drop on the drug abuser the network will drop it like it has the killer virus.my atgument with you was on wind mills kill more birds and you are to date factually incorrect.

[Wallop10]

tina anne wrote:

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No more than the time reading skepticalscience. The real purpose is to see what different sides of the argument are saying and Limbaugh gives preference to those who disagree with him when screening callers. After all, it improves his ratings when he does. It is similar to how you compare Wallop and myself.

You're in fantasy land if you think Limbaugh gives equal time.
But then... you've demonstrated you ARE in right wing fantasy land.

[PHD]

Wallop10 wrote:

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You're in fantasy land if you think Limbaugh gives equal time.
But then... you've demonstrated you ARE in right wing fantasy land.

More BS from the commander TROLL.

[Wallop10]

A peanut for the troll.

[PHD]

Wallop10 wrote:

A peanut for the troll.

More scientific science fiction and hate from the walloped again and again.

[PHD]

No, global warming is scientific science fiction.Use your calender for the day and date. Well that could be scientific science fiction also.

[PHD]

The origin of the seven-day week is the religious significance that was placed on the seventh day by ancient cultures, including the Babylonian and Jewish civilizations. Gee we could have had a four day week.

[Hey bro]

Global warming or climate change is a false myth believed mostly by women.

[PHD]

Hey bro wrote:

Global warming or climate change is a false myth believed mostly by women.

Therefore, what you are saying wallop10 AKA walloped again and again, spaced out spacedoutblues and “pinheadlitesout are women. That bunch represents a sad day for the female gender.

[Wallop10]

Hey bro wrote:

Global warming or climate change is a false myth believed mostly by women.

Gee, I didn't know the top science organizations were run by women. LOL

**Organizations that say AGW is a FACT**
* National Academy of Sciences, United States [and NAS of every country]
* National Aeronautics & Space Administration (NASA)
* National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
* National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
* National Science Foundation (NSF)
* American Institute of Physics (AIP)
* American Medical Association (AMA)
* Smithsonian Institution
* International Arctic Science Committee
* Arctic Council
* American Meteorological Society (AMS)
* American Physical Society (APS)
* U.S. Geological Survey (USGS)
* U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
* The Royal Society of the United Kingdom
* Royal Meteorological Society, UK
* British Antarctic Survey
* European Science Foundation
* Chinese Academy of Sciences
* Académie des Sciences, France
* Institute of Biology, UK
* Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* European Federation of Geologists
* European Geosciences Union
* European Physical Society
* U.S. Agency for International Development
* United States Department of Agriculture
* National Institute of Standards and Technology
* United States Department of Defense
* United States Department of Energy
* National Institutes of Health
* United States Department of State
* United States Department of Transportation
* University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
* African Academy of Sciences
* Australian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences
and the Arts
* Academia Brasileira de Ciéncias
* Cameroon Academy of Sciences
* Royal Society of Canada
* Caribbean Academy of Sciences
* Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
* Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina
of Germany
* Indonesian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Irish Academy
* Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy
* Indian National Science Academy
* Science Council of Japan
* Kenya National Academy of Sciences
* Madagascar's National Academy of Arts,
* Letters and Sciences
* Academy of Sciences Malaysia
* Academia Mexicana de Ciencias
* Nigerian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Society of New Zealand
* Polish Academy of Sciences
* Russian Academy of Sciences
*l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques
du Sénégal
* Academy of Science of South Africa
* Sudan Academy of Sciences
* Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
* Tanzania Academy of Sciences
* Turkish Academy of Sciences
* Uganda National Academy of Sciences
* Zambia Academy of Sciences
* American Academy of Pediatrics
* American Association for the Advancement
of Science
* American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
* American Astronomical Society
* American Chemical Society
* American College of Preventive Medicine
* American Geophysical Union
* American Public Health Association
* American Quaternary Association
* American Institute of Biological Sciences
* American Society of Agronomy
* American Society for Microbiology
* American Society of Plant Biologists
* American Statistical Association
* Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
* Botanical Society of America
* Crop Science Society of America
* Ecological Society of America
* Federation of American Scientists
* Geological Society of America
* National Association of Geoscience Teachers
* Natural Science Collections Alliance
* Organization of Biological Field Stations
* Society of American Foresters
* Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
* Society of Systematic Biologists
* Soil Science Society of America
* Australian Coral Reef Society
* Australian Medical Association
* Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
* Geological Society of Australia
* International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
* Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

[Wallop10]

or that women ran NASA:

Climate change: How do we know?

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.

Facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute

The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many JPL-designed instruments, such as AIRS. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.

Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands.

The evidence for rapid climate change is:

• Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.

• Global temperature rise
All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.

• Warming oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.

• Shrinking ice sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.

• Declining Arctic sea ice
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.

• Glacial retreat
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world—including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.

• Extreme events
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950.

• Ocean acidification
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent. This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

[Wallop10]

tina anne wrote:

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The odds that everything Limbaugh is saying is wrong is small. As the old saying goes, "Even the blind squrril will occassionally find a nut". Of course the fact that climate change is more a political issue than a scientific one means that Limbuagh has his finger on the pulse of one major group in this country and that group is a major voting block.

On his April 29, 1994 radio program Limbaugh stated, "There is no conclusive proof that nicotine's addictive...and the same thing with cigarettes causing emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease".

He has never reversed that position.

He MUST be right here too -- else a crazy.

Gee, which one could it be.....

[Wallop10]

Say Tina, so was there a connections between Iraq and 9/11.

ie do you believe Rush then... or now... LOL.

An October 21 study (pdf) conducted by the nonpartisan Program on International Policy Attitudes contradicts Limbaugh's suggestion that Bush voters merely believe in a general "connection of terrorism in Iraq."

According to the study, 75 percent of Bush supporters believe that Iraq under Saddam Hussein provided "substantial support" to Al Qaeda, and 20 percent of Bush supporters believe Iraq was directly involved in 9-11. The study found that only 30 percent of Senator John Kerry's supporters believe that Iraq provided substantial support to Al Qaeda, and only 8 percent of Kerry supporters believe Iraq was directly involved in 9-11.

From the November 8 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:


CALLER: I think there was no reason to go to war, and I think these people, these -- these good folks, these good Christian folks, one of them was interviewed in Ohio, and asked why she voted for Bush. And she says, "We're voting for Bush because we're Christian people, and he's a good Christian."

And she was asked, well, is there anything that you disagree with about Mr. Bush? And she said, "Yes. On 9-12, we should have just gone in there and demolished Iraq."

Now, here's a woman who is saying that Iraq had something to do with 9-11. Apparently she was given misinformation, and she was misinformed.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: The fact that there's no -- no relationship to Iraq and -- and 9-11 -- nobody ever said there was. You guys just believed the myth out there that was -- that was -- that was promulgated. Nobody ever said there was.

What we said was, there's a connection of terrorism in Iraq, and the voters believed this.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

[Downtown]

Wallop10 wrote:

or that women ran NASA:
Climate change: How do we know?
The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.
Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.
Facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute
The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many JPL-designed instruments, such as AIRS. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.
Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands.
The evidence for rapid climate change is:
• Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.
• Global temperature rise
All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.
• Warming oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.
• Shrinking ice sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.
• Declining Arctic sea ice
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.
• Glacial retreat
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world—including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.
• Extreme events
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950.
• Ocean acidification
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent. This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

The ocean is Warmer by .3 degrees since 1969? That's it? Where was the thermometer in 1969? Jeez. You girls will believe anything.

[PHD]

Another great day today the wallop10 AKA walloped again and again gets walloped again and again.

[Scientist]

The last ice age occurred because saber tooth tigers were manufacturing and driving gas guzzling cars.

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