Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12695 Sep 26, 2013
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't remember what extreme right wing positions I refused to debate with you about... but never mind that right now... you might be on to something.
I'm going to take a good look at myself in the mirror:
I'm pro-choice, which makes me a radical left wing heathen... but that is canceled out by being pro-2nd Amendment, which makes me a radical right wing domestic terrorist.(even)
I'm anti-war, which used to make me left wing, but for some reason that now aligns me with the extreme right wing crazies that have taken over the republican party.(used to be left, is now far right)
I'm anti-Patriot Act, which used to make me left wing, but for some reason that now aligns me with the extreme right wing crazies that have taken over the republican party.(used to be left, is now far right)
I'm Anti-NDAA, but Obama needed those new powers because I blame him too much.(right wing)
I'm against the NSA & overall government surveillance-state.(Used to be used to be left, is now far right)
I'm against the government infringing on our liberties and ignoring the Constitution.(used to be left, is now far right)
I'm against arming rebels including al-qaeda in Syria.(used to be left, is now far right)
Wow. I didn't realize how dangerous and extreme I've become. By not changing my positions when Obama got elected... I became a right wing extremist.
Is there some sort of re-education camp for this? I don't have time to go back to the indoctrination center, I mean public school, for another 13 years.
You just scared the hell out of me.
Pro-Choice
Anti-war
anti-Patriot Act
Anti-NDAA
Against the NSA & overall government surveillance
Against the government infringing on our liberties and ignoring the Constitution.
Against arming rebels including al-Qaeda in Syria

Send you to a re-education camp indoctrination center?
Likely we will get to meet there as I can't find anything I disagree with other than maybe where to put the majority of the blame.

I too have a hard time following a political party line.
I really enjoy going to local Republican Party meetings and disagreeing with some of the items they seem to hold as a litmus test.

So if I too wind up at the re-education/ indoctrination center at the same time, I will buy the coffee while we spend some time getting each other straighten out on the details.

You are more of a challenge to argue with than some of the other one liners.

Anyway I think we have beat the dead horse enough.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12696 Sep 26, 2013
Unbiased Chargers Fan wrote:
<quoted text>If you still can't see the danger and destruction of Obamacare to a nation with a debt of $17 trillion and mounting by now, you're just a loser and eventually the whole economy will collapse. Unfortunately the majority of the country are now people like you who want all these free benefits from the govt. Guess we'll just have to wait for total collapse till you realize it. Our country was built on a free market and we became the most powerful nation and policeman of the world. Thats all going to change with Obamacare looming. Our free market is getting smaller and smaller and lesd and less doctors will join the profession. People want to be free and don't want to be told what to do by the govt. And its losers like you that the good citizens like myself have to suffer
I don't see the "free benefits". I see some improved benefits in place already.

If anything it requires and promotes more individuals to use the "Free Market" to buy insurance rather than using the emergency room and passing those costs on to those who can pay or have insurance. The exchanges just create a good Free Market where Insurance Companies can compete for those who wish to get the best deal by combined their purchasing power. The insurance companies are going to get a lot more business rather than less.

The "Mandate" is a Republican idea that requires that people be accountable for their healthcare and if they can pay for it rather than dumping it on the ones who can pay. I agree with the Republican idea although once they got it into Obamacare they now oppose it.

Ultimately my rates will go down but I already have better quality insurance due to the requirements already in effect.

I think that once in place and people realize its a good deal and in the long run will reduce total healthcare costs in the USA.

But I am sure there is going to be some implementation problems or glitches putting Obamacare into place. Those who already oppose will point to everyone as "see I told you it was no good" rather than looking at the total picture.
nac

Patchogue, NY

#12697 Sep 26, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
You just scared the hell out of me.
Pro-Choice
Anti-war
anti-Patriot Act
Anti-NDAA
Against the NSA & overall government surveillance
Against the government infringing on our liberties and ignoring the Constitution.
Against arming rebels including al-Qaeda in Syria
Send you to a re-education camp indoctrination center?
Likely we will get to meet there as I can't find anything I disagree with other than maybe where to put the majority of the blame.
I too have a hard time following a political party line.
I really enjoy going to local Republican Party meetings and disagreeing with some of the items they seem to hold as a litmus test.
So if I too wind up at the re-education/ indoctrination center at the same time, I will buy the coffee while we spend some time getting each other straighten out on the details.
You are more of a challenge to argue with than some of the other one liners.
Anyway I think we have beat the dead horse enough.
I'm glad we agree on these issues. I don't think that anyone deserves the majority of the blame. I assign 25% to republican politicians, 25% to democrat politicians, 25% to republican voters, and 25% to democrat voters.

And if we end up at the re-education camp... just say the opposite of everything that I say. They'll probably let you go!
Praise to Obama

Lindenhurst, NY

#12698 Sep 26, 2013
Barack tears the GOP a new one!
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12699 Sep 26, 2013
Praise to Obama wrote:
Barack tears the GOP a new one!
I think it is a little early to make a victory claim.

In the past Democrats are less willing to go to the mat than Republican are. Right now the House Republicans are demanding a lot not to take the economy off the cliff. Not only to eliminate laws already passed but demanding new laws they want as a minority to be passed.

The blame game will begin if someone don't cave in. The economy will suffer and the degree it will suffer is up to debate including the possibility of creating a world mess.

When you play chicken with a nut the outcome likely will not be good.
nac

Patchogue, NY

#12700 Sep 26, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it is a little early to make a victory claim.
In the past Democrats are less willing to go to the mat than Republican are. Right now the House Republicans are demanding a lot not to take the economy off the cliff. Not only to eliminate laws already passed but demanding new laws they want as a minority to be passed.
The blame game will begin if someone don't cave in. The economy will suffer and the degree it will suffer is up to debate including the possibility of creating a world mess.
When you play chicken with a nut the outcome likely will not be good.
The economy is going to go over the cliff regardless of what republicans or democrats do at this point.

Our unsustainable spending and debt, coupled with massive printing of our fiat currency has no other possible outcome than disaster.

This isn't a partisan issue... this is a history issue. Look into the Weimar Republic. Unsustainable debt, unreasonable spending, printing an unreasonable amount of FIAT currency ("quantitative easing" in 2013 terms)... it led to BIG TIME disaster.

If you haven't already started to prepare for economic collapse, you haven't been paying attention.

You are the earthy type, Opinion... chickens & rabbits are great sustainable food sources. Start planning & preparing now.

If you fail to plan... plan to fail.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12701 Sep 26, 2013
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
The economy is going to go over the cliff regardless of what republicans or democrats do at this point.
Our unsustainable spending and debt, coupled with massive printing of our fiat currency has no other possible outcome than disaster.
This isn't a partisan issue... this is a history issue. Look into the Weimar Republic. Unsustainable debt, unreasonable spending, printing an unreasonable amount of FIAT currency ("quantitative easing" in 2013 terms)... it led to BIG TIME disaster.
If you haven't already started to prepare for economic collapse, you haven't been paying attention.
You are the earthy type, Opinion... chickens & rabbits are great sustainable food sources. Start planning & preparing now.
If you fail to plan... plan to fail.
I guess that I pretty much already live where & like if things went to hell I could manage.

I have a small farm type place and used to feed out cattle. But today I lease it out for cattle grazing.

I guess I could get back into the farm business pretty easy as I have the barn, tractor and chicken coop. Gave the rabbit cages away to a kid for 4H. I used to raise some rabbits but found it hard to kill and then eat them plus they could out produce what we could eat. I have deer in my yard if needed.

I have quite a bit of food on hand. Winter time can kind of lock us in from making a daily trip to the grocery store.

Likely could survive quite a while although the quality of the eating might go down somewhat. Likely run out of coffee first.

Heat with a 150,000 BTU coal stoker (usually have a supply of stoker coal available and maintain enough gas to run a generator if needed during any power outage. If that don't work I have three old Warm Morning coal/wood stoves plus two old cook stoves made in the late 1800's I restored. Also have a two burner gas cook stove.

Needless to say I have a lot of junk and stuff setting around that if needed could be put to work.
DILLIGAF

New York, NY

#12703 Sep 26, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you not the same nitwit that first believed and then posted the HOAX email in posting #12558?????
It was pretty evident that you don't know much about anything regarding Obamacare.
When you made the fool out of yourself you changed subjects to jumping canyons in a single leap over recent shootings.
Now you come sneaking back to defend Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and Michelle Bachmann intelligence level.
Yea, right! You have me convinced there one who has proved to be genius by being so fooled by posting some clearly stupid chain email.
You brilliance is blinding.
You need to get laid sweetheart, you wouldn't be so frustrated, what you're too homely, even dogs can get laid once in a while, try it , you may like it.
DILLIGAF

New York, NY

#12704 Sep 26, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
If that is not the case then quit standing on some Constitutional soap box expounding your expertize, like a born again self proclaimed preacher standing on a soapbox expounding on the Bible.
I'm quite willing to admit that I am giving Republicans hell for acting like idiots, opposing everything they can unless its lock step there way.
You infer I'm crazy but I do not infer that on you other than you make a false claim about yourself and purpose.
If you don't like me giving Republican hell find someone to discuss the Constitution with you.I'm planning on messing around down here in the political pig pen where one likely will get into some bullshit other than what you say you deal in.
I've never seen someone who claims to be so brilliant, just like the mutt in the WH, and his moronic adherents,you make,so many grammatical mistakes, you take the cake for typos, and misspellings on this thread, You need to use a teleprompter like Barry Soetaro, I've never claimed to be so smart as you, you are the one who keeps reminding everyone else in here how brilliant you are. Remove all the mirrors in your abode, you've reached the height of extreme egoism.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12706 Sep 27, 2013
DILLIGAF wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to get laid sweetheart, you wouldn't be so frustrated, what you're too homely, even dogs can get laid once in a while, try it , you may like it.
Why get mad and post silly childish stuff.

You made a fool out of yourself all by yourself.

Are you not the same nitwit that first believed and then posted the HOAX email in posting #12558?????

It was pretty evident that you don't know much about anything regarding Obamacare.

When you made the fool out of yourself you changed subjects to jumping canyons in a single leap over recent shootings.

Now you come sneaking back to defend Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and Michelle Bachmann intelligence level.

Yea, right! You have me convinced there one who has proved to be genius by being so fooled by posting some clearly stupid chain email.

You brilliance is blinding.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12707 Sep 27, 2013
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
The economy is going to go over the cliff regardless of what republicans or democrats do at this point.
.
Just wondering what your position is if Congress fails to act on the debt.

Does the President have the authority under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution to act and borrow to pay the debts already incurred?

Could the President of the USA ask for an emergency ruling on whether he has that authority to the Supreme Court if Congress fails to pass a debt increase bill?

Some say he does have that authority and others say that he doesn't and if he did they would start impeachment hearings. Submitting the question to the Supreme Court would seem to settle the question either way.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12708 Sep 27, 2013
DILLIGAF wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never seen someone who claims to be so brilliant, just like the mutt in the WH, and his moronic adherents,you make,so many grammatical mistakes, you take the cake for typos, and misspellings on this thread, You need to use a teleprompter like Barry Soetaro, I've never claimed to be so smart as you, you are the one who keeps reminding everyone else in here how brilliant you are. Remove all the mirrors in your abode, you've reached the height of extreme egoism.
To please you I will try to take more time and review my postings. Sometimes I get in a hurry to get a reply posted and don't double check. I have other things to do like going fishing before winter ice freezes the lake. But then when the ice is thick enough its ice fishing time.

But then they also say that people with very high IQ's generally have spelling problems. Spelling rules do not make sense like mathematics plus people with high IQ's think faster than their fingers can type. Sometimes a your comes out as a you.

But just remember that people with low IQ's fall for and believe stupid made up stuff like the email you posted that was simple to ID as a hoax by any person with a IQ above a moron.
nac

Patchogue, NY

#12709 Sep 27, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Just wondering what your position is if Congress fails to act on the debt.
Does the President have the authority under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution to act and borrow to pay the debts already incurred?
Could the President of the USA ask for an emergency ruling on whether he has that authority to the Supreme Court if Congress fails to pass a debt increase bill?
Some say he does have that authority and others say that he doesn't and if he did they would start impeachment hearings. Submitting the question to the Supreme Court would seem to settle the question either way.
Based on the Constitution, the debt issues are up to Congress to settle. But based on the last few presidencies, the President can do whatever he wants - Constitution be damned.

But they will raise the debt ceiling. If you count on anything, count on that. Sure, it will be used as a political football to be used to get what congressmen want on other issues... but they will raise the debt ceiling.

It's all for show now anyway. What would happen if they don't raise it? We can't look back to history - since they always have. But in theory, the Treasury would be unable to borrow money.

But who would stop them? If it came to that scenario... and someone tried to stop the Treasury from borrowing above the debt ceiling, they'd be playing golf with JFK within a few days.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12710 Sep 27, 2013
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on the Constitution, the debt issues are up to Congress to settle. But based on the last few presidencies, the President can do whatever he wants - Constitution be damned.
But they will raise the debt ceiling. If you count on anything, count on that. Sure, it will be used as a political football to be used to get what congressmen want on other issues... but they will raise the debt ceiling.
It's all for show now anyway. What would happen if they don't raise it? We can't look back to history - since they always have. But in theory, the Treasury would be unable to borrow money.
But who would stop them? If it came to that scenario... and someone tried to stop the Treasury from borrowing above the debt ceiling, they'd be playing golf with JFK within a few days.
I see the Senate just kicked the football back to the House.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#12711 Sep 27, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Even before the Citizen's United decision the wealthy along with corporate interests controlled Washington.
Politicians listen to who gives them money to campaign with and once in office those nice gifts.
Once a politician takes money from corporate interests, they become beholden to them and have no choice but to do what they say, completely getting lost as to why they were elected to political office in the first place: to legislate for the betterment of America as a whole, not cowtow to special interests.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#12712 Sep 27, 2013
Opinion wrote:
Some of you boys are pretty good at hind sight and making fun.
Amazing how none of you ever jump up and present what should be done and how.
Had Obama shot the place up based on his authority alone you bird would have ranted and raved about that.
Then when he goes to congress you rant and rave about that.
Then when a non-military option is available you rant about that.
Just what would you nit wits have done in the past and what would you do in the future regarding Syria?
Please for once come up with something other than some stupid one liner.
It's unfortunate that with some, that's all they got and the best they can do.
Common sense plays no part in their lives.
Reconciliation

Bay Shore, NY

#12714 Sep 27, 2013
Since the democrats used reconciliation as well as backroom dealings and payoffs to ram Obamacare down the throats of America, they have created a atmosphere and anger and antagonism in Washington and in this country that will not dissipate until Obamacare is defeated.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12715 Sep 27, 2013
ILAL wrote:
<quoted text>
It's unfortunate that with some, that's all they got and the best they can do.
Common sense plays no part in their lives.
I would try to drag the Supreme Court into the debt ceiling mess.

If Congress is unable to agree on a plan to raise the nation's debt, Obama will have to decide which government bills to pay and which not to pay or to simply ignore Congress, pay all the bills and simply raise the debt ceiling on his own.

Regardless of what he does legally it untested waters.
Obama says he lacks the constitutional power to raise the debt limit, but that may not necessarily be the case under the 14th Amendment according to some experts. In general the President has the power during crises to take actions that are necessary to protect the country.

Obama can cite the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which says "the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned," and a crises is at hand asking the Supreme Court of the USA to rule.

He would have little to lose and a lot to gain regardless of which way the Supreme Court ruled or if they refused to rule.

If they refused to hear a emergency request to give a Constitutional interpretation they assume some of the blame for the default.

If they said no then he could say I would have and tied to find a way out of the mess the House has created.

If they say yes then he could and have legal authority and he would be safe from impeachment or lawsuits.
Opinion

Pine Ridge, SD

#12716 Sep 27, 2013
Reconciliation wrote:
Since the democrats used reconciliation as well as backroom dealings and payoffs to ram Obamacare down the throats of America, they have created a atmosphere and anger and antagonism in Washington and in this country that will not dissipate until Obamacare is defeated.
Wake up and smell the roses. The majority ruled. Republicans had their say they were entitled to as the minority party.

If the people of this country wanted to punish Obama for Obama Care they sure passed up the chance at the last election.

Whether or not you remember he won by a landslide. By a landslide and not just a little landslide.

Next election if the Republicans take control of the government they can repeal Obama Care. By that time Obama Care will be in place and you can use the train wreck you predict for your political resurrection.

That is the way it works.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#12717 Sep 27, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I would try to drag the Supreme Court into the debt ceiling mess.
If Congress is unable to agree on a plan to raise the nation's debt, Obama will have to decide which government bills to pay and which not to pay or to simply ignore Congress, pay all the bills and simply raise the debt ceiling on his own.
Regardless of what he does legally it untested waters.
Obama says he lacks the constitutional power to raise the debt limit, but that may not necessarily be the case under the 14th Amendment according to some experts. In general the President has the power during crises to take actions that are necessary to protect the country.
Obama can cite the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which says "the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned," and a crises is at hand asking the Supreme Court of the USA to rule.
He would have little to lose and a lot to gain regardless of which way the Supreme Court ruled or if they refused to rule.
If they refused to hear a emergency request to give a Constitutional interpretation they assume some of the blame for the default.
If they said no then he could say I would have and tied to find a way out of the mess the House has created.
If they say yes then he could and have legal authority and he would be safe from impeachment or lawsuits.
I'm curious as well as to how this is going to play out since in the past, congress had no problem raising the debt ceiling under previous administrations without question.
It was always a given.
Why are they giving the current administration such a hard time borders on absurdity.

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