Yankee talk back 4, or is it 5
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289012 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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Power means little if it doesn't produce runs. Martin wasn't a run producer. If NYY catchers aren't doing much better, why pay Martin $15 million? Unproductive money...
Gardner? Hitting .266 with a .332 If that's the best you can come up with, only shows how pitiful the drafting has been. Soriano was an IFA so wasn't drafted. Granderson was traded for the top prospect? Austin Jackson? Thought Montero was the top prospect?...
NYY draft results have been abysmal since 2000...
he did produce 53 rbi's how many catchers were better and martin wasn't looking for 15 mil...soriano was part of the player development didn''t say he was drafted so get youre facts right..I think gardner is a very decent player as do most, great defense and I believe he led the league in steals...Of course granderson was traded for a top prospect isn't that what you do with them...
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289013 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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Power means little if it doesn't produce runs. Martin wasn't a run producer. If NYY catchers aren't doing much better, why pay Martin $15 million? Unproductive money...
Gardner? Hitting .266 with a .332 If that's the best you can come up with, only shows how pitiful the drafting has been. Soriano was an IFA so wasn't drafted. Granderson was traded for the top prospect? Austin Jackson? Thought Montero was the top prospect?...
NYY draft results have been abysmal since 2000...
the yankees finished in the top 5 teams in basebal almost every year for the past twenty years its plain stupid to compare their draft with teams like houston, kc, toronto, baltimore,pittsburg and miami all team that generally finish in the bottom five or so..The yankees win year after year and you pay a price for this commitment to excellence and to your fans...Abysmal yes but none the less they produce great teams them the business plan and fill the stadium with more fannies then any other of these great drafting teams....
NYStateOfMind

New York, NY

#289014 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> he did produce 53 rbi's how many catchers were better and martin wasn't looking for 15 mil...soriano was part of the player development didn''t say he was drafted so get youre facts right..I think gardner is a very decent player as do most, great defense and I believe he led the league in steals...Of course granderson was traded for a top prospect isn't that what you do with them...
You're right Martin wasn't looking for $15 million. He was looking for a lot more...

http://voices.yahoo.com/russell-martin-lookin...

Never said Soriano wasn't part of player development so learn to read correctly...

If the best 1 can describe Gardner as "decent", shows how abysmal the scouting results are for at least the last decade. To recap, Gardner & Robertson are the only players drafted in the last 10 years that has produced any worthwhile results. No 1B, 3B, C, LF, RF & SP's...

Trade for Granderson, who's most likely not going to be resigned, for Jackson? If 4 seasons is all you're getting out of that trade, Hal should really think hard about replacing Cashman after 2014...
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289015 Aug 22, 2013
"I didn't like it, I don't think it was the right thing to do," David Ortiz told USA Today Sports on Wednesday....
NYStateOfMind

New York, NY

#289016 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> the yankees finished in the top 5 teams in basebal almost every year for the past twenty years its plain stupid to compare their draft with teams like houston, kc, toronto, baltimore,pittsburg and miami all team that generally finish in the bottom five or so..The yankees win year after year and you pay a price for this commitment to excellence and to your fans...Abysmal yes but none the less they produce great teams them the business plan and fill the stadium with more fannies then any other of these great drafting teams....
Never compared NYY drafts to any other teams drafts. NYY has had 20 1st round picks since 1994 & 1 has had anything remotely close to a productive career (HR Hughes). Comes down to scouting & their results are abysmal. Guess you've forgot that Pettitte, Posada & Jeter were drafted with Pettitte & Posada were drafted after the 20th round...

Money that George agreed to spend has given NYY the results they've had over the last 20 season. Money spent on 3 FA's in 2009 were a major reason they won the WS. Want to look at a team that drafts in the lower 15 consistently well and is consistently in the post season? Look @ STL. Won as many WS as NYY since 2000..
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289017 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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You're right Martin wasn't looking for $15 million. He was looking for a lot more...
http://voices.yahoo.com/russell-martin-lookin...
Never said Soriano wasn't part of player development so learn to read correctly...
If the best 1 can describe Gardner as "decent", shows how abysmal the scouting results are for at least the last decade. To recap, Gardner & Robertson are the only players drafted in the last 10 years that has produced any worthwhile results. No 1B, 3B, C, LF, RF & SP's...
Trade for Granderson, who's most likely not going to be resigned, for Jackson? If 4 seasons is all you're getting out of that trade, Hal should really think hard about replacing Cashman after 2014...
are you trying to claim that Pittsburg is paying him 15 million cause thats BS...You want to BS about Soriano go right ahead...So with all this abysmal drafting the yankees managed to win all these championships no one else comes close so I guess the yanks business plan works...count on it if cashman wants to stay with the team he will...

Since: Aug 13

New York, NY

#289018 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right Martin wasn't looking for $15 million. He was looking for a lot more...
http://voices.yahoo.com/russell-martin-lookin...
Never said Soriano wasn't part of player development so learn to read correctly...
If the best 1 can describe Gardner as "decent", shows how abysmal the scouting results are for at least the last decade. To recap, Gardner & Robertson are the only players drafted in the last 10 years that has produced any worthwhile results. No 1B, 3B, C, LF, RF & SP's...
Trade for Granderson, who's most likely not going to be resigned, for Jackson? If 4 seasons is all you're getting out of that trade, Hal should really think hard about replacing Cashman after 2014...
They also gave Detroit Coke and Kennedy among others Dombrowski immediately turned Kennedy in Scherzer, I guess Cashman couldn't figure that out. Every year the trade gets worse and will continue to for many more. You can talk to that poster till your blue in the face, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed and knows nothing about the game.
NYStateOfMind

New York, NY

#289019 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> are you trying to claim that Pittsburg is paying him 15 million cause thats BS...You want to BS about Soriano go right ahead...So with all this abysmal drafting the yankees managed to win all these championships no one else comes close so I guess the yanks business plan works...count on it if cashman wants to stay with the team he will...
No, PIT is paying Martin $17 million for 2 seasons. Never claimed Martin was offered anything from anyone...

NYY won 3 WS in the 1990's primarily on scouting. Posada, Bernie, Jeter, Mariano & Pettitte to name a few. Since 2000, won 2 WS. The 1st on the back of the scouting done in the 1990's. The 2nd done by paying the most for those they wanted in 2009...

So the plan to spend doesn't work season after season. Sure NYY contends & makes the post season. Only makes the fan base feel good about the prospects coming into a season when a big spend is made. The results speak for themselves..
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289020 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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Never compared NYY drafts to any other teams drafts. NYY has had 20 1st round picks since 1994 & 1 has had anything remotely close to a productive career (HR Hughes). Comes down to scouting & their results are abysmal. Guess you've forgot that Pettitte, Posada & Jeter were drafted with Pettitte & Posada were drafted after the 20th round...
Money that George agreed to spend has given NYY the results they've had over the last 20 season. Money spent on 3 FA's in 2009 were a major reason they won the WS. Want to look at a team that drafts in the lower 15 consistently well and is consistently in the post season? Look @ STL. Won as many WS as NYY since 2000..
More BS by you and cherry picking cards won in 2011 and 2006 but you wan't to exclude what the yankees did in 1995 thru 2000 jeter, pettitte & posada but why go their cause you get buried ...lol
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289021 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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No, PIT is paying Martin $17 million for 2 seasons. Never claimed Martin was offered anything from anyone...
NYY won 3 WS in the 1990's primarily on scouting. Posada, Bernie, Jeter, Mariano & Pettitte to name a few. Since 2000, won 2 WS. The 1st on the back of the scouting done in the 1990's. The 2nd done by paying the most for those they wanted in 2009...
So the plan to spend doesn't work season after season. Sure NYY contends & makes the post season. Only makes the fan base feel good about the prospects coming into a season when a big spend is made. The results speak for themselves..
Yeah and the Lux Tax came in when? How does that relate to championship teams and empty farms. And the rules just got tigher. And pipe dream fantasy WC runs empty the farm further.
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289022 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> More BS by you and cherry picking cards won in 2011 and 2006 but you wan't to exclude what the yankees did in 1995 thru 2000 jeter, pettitte & posada but why go their cause you get buried ...lol
Jeter Pettitte and Posada? How does that help them today? Empty farm...stay on track. None of those 3 had replacements available once they reached their shelf life.
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289023 Aug 22, 2013
Yankees 56 wrote:
<quoted text>They also gave Detroit Coke and Kennedy among others Dombrowski immediately turned Kennedy in Scherzer, I guess Cashman couldn't figure that out. Every year the trade gets worse and will continue to for many more. You can talk to that poster till your blue in the face, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed and knows nothing about the game.
like you do Momma...scared crap to post in youre own name...Fatboy give us some good saratoga stories..hi ho hi ho..
NYStateOfMind

New York, NY

#289024 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> More BS by you and cherry picking cards won in 2011 and 2006 but you wan't to exclude what the yankees did in 1995 thru 2000 jeter, pettitte & posada but why go their cause you get buried ...lol
Not excluding anything. Only referring to the drafts that produced nothing in the way of skilled all-around position players since Jeter. Laugh all you want. That's no BS, but straight up fact...
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289025 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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Not excluding anything. Only referring to the drafts that produced nothing in the way of skilled all-around position players since Jeter. Laugh all you want. That's no BS, but straight up fact...
Its only the top 2 or 3 draft slots that can be said to guarentee a return really so draft order after that has little to do with drafting. I think with the Yankees its more on player development. They hype, they don't develop. Hey thats fine if you want to trade away those hyped up guys but if you need to fill gaps you can't.
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289026 Aug 22, 2013
Da GreatDirtyWater wrote:
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Jeter Pettitte and Posada? How does that help them today? Empty farm...stay on track. None of those 3 had replacements available once they reached their shelf life.
"reached their shelf life" Jeter and Pettitte are still playing..Ya like what Big fat Papi had to say about 0-7 dempster..
the don

Roslyn Heights, NY

#289027 Aug 22, 2013
NYStateOfMind wrote:
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Not excluding anything. Only referring to the drafts that produced nothing in the way of skilled all-around position players since Jeter. Laugh all you want. That's no BS, but straight up fact...
you excluded 1995-2000 cause it made the yanks look good now thats a straight up fact...all ya BS spin..
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289028 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
"I didn't like it, I don't think it was the right thing to do," David Ortiz told USA Today Sports on Wednesday....
"It's not that I didn't think it was right because Alex and I are friends, because once you cross the white lines, everyone's on their own."

finish the quote stop cherry picking.
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289029 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> "reached their shelf life" Jeter and Pettitte are still playing..Ya like what Big fat Papi had to say about 0-7 dempster..
Jeter is playing? Yeah...hows Nunez? Nix? Cruz? Alberto? How many stiffs they play this year to hold up that farce.

Pettitte has lost more than half his starts averaging under 6IP per appearance and has a near 4.5 ERA on a team that averages just on 4 runs per game.

The only reason he is pitching is because the farm is empty.

What Papi doesn't want to get hit and lose games because Dempster made a statement? I think thats a fair call. He didn't exactly rail Dempster for his stand though.
NYStateOfMind

New York, NY

#289030 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> you excluded 1995-2000 cause it made the yanks look good now thats a straight up fact...all ya BS spin..
No, excluding that period because NYY didn't spend like they did after 2000. No spin. No significant FA's were signed during that period. BS is believing the NYY business model to spend has produced championships...

That business model produced 1 championship...
Da GreatDirtyWater

Peakhurst, Australia

#289031 Aug 22, 2013
the don wrote:
<quoted text> you excluded 1995-2000 cause it made the yanks look good now thats a straight up fact...all ya BS spin..
He excluded 1995-2000 because it has nothing to do with todays empty farm.

Today the Yankees have an empty farm. The owner said so. OK? Thats not open for dispute and anything thats been in the minors system since 1995 is pretty much finished anyway.

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