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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48628 Jul 7, 2014
More Antarctic ice wrote:
<quoted text>
The steady growth of Antarctic sea ice and its influence on global sea ice appeared to provide a public relations problem.,
.. a complex system will not necessarily behave in a repeatable and pre-determined manner. A system that is complex contains a large number of independent parts that are connected to each other, and interact with each other in a great many ways. To understand the behaviour of a complex system, we must understand not only the behaviour of each of these parts, but also how they interact with one another - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/invi...

P.S. Get a bigger brain, pinkie.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#48629 Jul 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
Hamilton Hicks of Greenwich, Connecticut (USA), who on September 16, 1986 was issued with US Patent Number 4,612,050.2 According to Hicks, his chemical 'cocktail' of sodium silicate (commonly known as 'water glass'), natural spring or volcanic mineral water having a high content of calcium, magnesium, manganese, and other metal salts, and citric or malic acid is capable of rapidly petrifying wood.
Repeatable and thus not millions of years.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48630 Jul 7, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>.. a complex system will not necessarily behave in a repeatable and pre-determined manner. A system that is complex contains a large number of independent parts that are connected to each other, and interact with each other in a great many ways. To understand the behaviour of a complex system, we must understand not only the behaviour of each of these parts, but also how they interact with one another - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/invi...
P.S. Get a bigger brain, pinkie.
When predictions fail, the excuse is "the system is far too complex to predict with any accuracy". Yet, when you issue your warnings of specific occurrences 'to come', e.g. hurricanes, drought, inundation, starvation, etc., they are made with unwaveringly certainty. The same "complexity" is at work but the vagaries are nowhere to be found. You can't have it both ways.

This is another example of how phony your new religion really is.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#48631 Jul 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
More evaporation replaces the water vapour.
and that's a good thing ....not bad!

thanks for your concession.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#48632 Jul 7, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
When predictions fail, the excuse is "the system is far too complex to predict with any accuracy". Yet, when you issue your warnings of specific occurrences 'to come', e.g. hurricanes, drought, inundation, starvation, etc., they are made with unwaveringly certainty. The same "complexity" is at work but the vagaries are nowhere to be found. You can't have it both ways.
This is another example of how phony your new religion really is.
Some complex systems are earthquake prediction, meteorology, economics, anthropology, artificial intelligence, artificial life, chemistry, computer science, evolutionary computation, molecular biology, neuroscience, physics, psychology and sociology. While we can understand and predict simple systems, we resort to models to predict complex systems. While they are not perfect, they are the best tool that we have.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48633 Jul 7, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
When predictions fail, the excuse is "the system is far too complex to predict with any accuracy". Yet, when you issue your warnings of specific occurrences 'to come', e.g. hurricanes, drought, inundation, starvation, etc., they are made with unwaveringly certainty. The same "complexity" is at work but the vagaries are nowhere to be found. You can't have it both ways.
This is another example of how phony your new religion really is.
Quack quack..

Not surprised you don't get it, ducky.

Have you heard of uncertainty analysis, LOL? Give it up, ducky..
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48634 Jul 7, 2014
BOUNDARIES are often used to reduce complexity. This is achieved by drawing boundaries around smaller parts of a larger system in order to make things easier to manage. So nations are divided into provinces, provinces into municipalities, and so on. Companies are organised into departments, and governments into ministries. This approach is useful and necessary - up to a point. But it is often not adequate for addressing wicked problems. Some of the biggest challenges that governments face today involve wicked problems such as terrorism, climate change and population. No single government agency is really equipped to deal with such wicked problems on its own. Because wicked problems are inherently complex in their scale of uncertainty and disagreement, they are best tackled by interdisciplinary approaches, drawing on different knowledge systems and experiences, and sharing information drawn from large parts, if not the whole, of the government system.- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/invi...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48635 Jul 7, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some complex systems are earthquake prediction, meteorology, economics, anthropology, artificial intelligence, artificial life, chemistry, computer science, evolutionary computation, molecular biology, neuroscience, physics, psychology and sociology. While we can understand and predict simple systems, we resort to models to predict complex systems. While they are not perfect, they are the best tool that we have.
IBM [launching a new project] has 20 years of experience in weather modeling, he added, but forecasting the air quality will require new computer modeling to take into account all of Beijing's different pollution sources. Along with the city, IBM is also partnering with academics and industry players to pull pollution-related data from local air quality monitoring stations, weather satellites, and the company's own optical sensors.

The pay-off could be big. By successfully forecasting Beijing's pollution patterns, the system could also suggest preventive measures to keep the city's air quality from approaching hazardous levels. The government would know when to reduce production at certain factories, or where to limit car traffic, said Xiaowei Shen, director of IBM Research in China.

"You not only have to build a model that can predict. You have to provide a decision system so that people can take proper action," Shen said.
litesong

Everett, WA

#48636 Jul 7, 2014
itesong wrote:
Of course, "dimwit ice age" ain't no scientist, or it would know AGW scientists predicted increased Antarctic sea ice in 2002, confirmed in 2005 & as sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars continually point out, as if it wasn't an AGW scientists' prediction.
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"more dimwit ice" wrote:
The steady growth of Antarctic sea ice and its influence on global sea ice appeared to provide a public relations problem
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litesong wrote:
Repeating errors to a science you don't understand, makes you a sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liar.

"more dimwit ice" ain't no scientist, or it would know AGW scientists predicted increased Antarctic sea ice in 2002, confirmed in 2005 & as sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars continually point out, as if it wasn't an AGW scientists' prediction.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#48637 Jul 7, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
BOUNDARIES are often used to reduce complexity. This is achieved by drawing boundaries around smaller parts of a larger system in order to make things easier to manage. So nations are divided into provinces, provinces into municipalities, and so on. Companies are organised into departments, and governments into ministries. This approach is useful and necessary - up to a point. But it is often not adequate for addressing wicked problems. Some of the biggest challenges that governments face today involve wicked problems such as terrorism, climate change and population. No single government agency is really equipped to deal with such wicked problems on its own. Because wicked problems are inherently complex in their scale of uncertainty and disagreement, they are best tackled by interdisciplinary approaches, drawing on different knowledge systems and experiences, and sharing information drawn from large parts, if not the whole, of the government system.- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/opinion/invi...
from your own link, son:
Many examples of wicked problems come from public policy. They could be economic, environmental, political or social, covering issues such as health care, education and social inequalities. Tackling one wicked problem often generates new sets of wicked problems. When the Singapore government successfully curbed population growth in the 1970s, a slew of new wicked problems ensued, including a growing dependency on foreign workers and a rapidly ageing population.

public policies made from wicked climate pseudoscience will create more real wicked problems. none of you pretend 'smart guys' have shown what the cost/benefits of mitigation would yield. you just claim co2 is bad....and everyone should take your word for it! got ethanol??
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Los Angeles, CA

#48638 Jul 7, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>IBM [launching a new project] has 20 years of experience in weather modeling, he added, but forecasting the air quality will require new computer modeling to take into account all of Beijing's different pollution sources. Along with the city, IBM is also partnering with academics and industry players to pull pollution-related data from local air quality monitoring stations, weather satellites, and the company's own optical sensors.
The pay-off could be big. By successfully forecasting Beijing's pollution patterns, the system could also suggest preventive measures to keep the city's air quality from approaching hazardous levels. The government would know when to reduce production at certain factories, or where to limit car traffic, said Xiaowei Shen, director of IBM Research in China.
"You not only have to build a model that can predict. You have to provide a decision system so that people can take proper action," Shen said.
Let me successfully forecast Beijing's pollution patterns and save all of you some time and money:

Beijing will pollute the air for the next 365 days without exception. This prediction has an error rate of plus/minus 3%.

lol. You warmies think the earth started spinning the day you were born.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48639 Jul 7, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some complex systems are earthquake prediction, meteorology, economics, anthropology, artificial intelligence, artificial life, chemistry, computer science, evolutionary computation, molecular biology, neuroscience, physics, psychology and sociology. While we can understand and predict simple systems, we resort to models to predict complex systems. While they are not perfect, they are the best tool that we have.
Actually, YOU are the best tool they have. Your models are counterfeit, your predictions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48640 Jul 7, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Quack quack..
Not surprised you don't get it, ducky.
Have you heard of uncertainty analysis, LOL? Give it up, ducky..
Have you heard of the "hockey stick"? You're fulloshit, bucko.
Al Gore

Los Angeles, CA

#48641 Jul 7, 2014
Uhhhh, besides inventing the internet and pushing hard for the global warming belief system, few people know that Algorithms were named after me.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#48642 Jul 7, 2014
More Antarctic ice wrote:
<quoted text>
The steady growth of Antarctic sea ice and its influence on global sea ice appeared to provide a public relations problem.,
Just a lil sideline issue to this BS you deniers keep posting.

Research just in:
The research also helps explain a number of sudden increases in sea level in the earth’s past by showing that ice shelves are less stable and that melting can accelerate more rapidly than had been thought. Rapid in the context of geological time still means that we are talking about generations, not years, but it also implies that there is less time to get pollution under control.
“Dramatic rises in sea level are almost inevitable if we continue to emit greenhouse gases at the current rate,” says fellow researcher Nicolas Jourdain

“When we first saw the results it was quite a shock. It was one of the few cases where I hoped the science was wrong,” said Spence.“What is particularly concerning is how easy it is for climate change to increase the water temperatures beside Antarctic ice sheets.”

So deniers will claim a win on this one because the computer models did not predict the ice melting this fast.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/07/antarctic-wi...

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48644 Jul 7, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Just a lil sideline issue to this BS you deniers keep posting.
Research just in:
The research also helps explain a number of sudden increases in sea level in the earth’s past by showing that ice shelves are less stable and that melting can accelerate more rapidly than had been thought. Rapid in the context of geological time still means that we are talking about generations, not years, but it also implies that there is less time to get pollution under control.
“Dramatic rises in sea level are almost inevitable if we continue to emit greenhouse gases at the current rate,” says fellow researcher Nicolas Jourdain
“When we first saw the results it was quite a shock. It was one of the few cases where I hoped the science was wrong,” said Spence.“What is particularly concerning is how easy it is for climate change to increase the water temperatures beside Antarctic ice sheets.”
So deniers will claim a win on this one because the computer models did not predict the ice melting this fast.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/07/antarctic-wi...
Eventually you'll be saying, "Everything changes slower and with less predictability than we originally thought."

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#48645 Jul 8, 2014
The computer models are wrong and nobody has experimentally tested climate change mitigation.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#48646 Jul 8, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The computer models are wrong and nobody has experimentally tested climate change mitigation.
How do you know they are wrong, dodo?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48647 Jul 8, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The computer models are wrong and nobody has experimentally tested climate change mitigation.
How do you know they are wrong, LOL?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48648 Jul 8, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
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Have you heard of the "hockey stick"? You're fulloshit, bucko.
This is your selfie..

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