Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60098 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43722 Feb 19, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
Very simply, you can not run your car in a closed garage, what kind of impact do you think 2 billion cars have daily, coal plants, tar sands ,fracking, the pollution to our streams , rivers and lakes. We now find plastic chemicals in the middle of our oceans.
you can't sleep at the bottom of your pool either.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43723 Feb 19, 2014
the 4th assessment came and went with a whimper.

all dated, erroneous, and conflated speculations
Hey now

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43724 Feb 19, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a vast difference between climate changing over 10's of thousands of years condensed into a couple of hundred years. That's another lil fact you deniers constantly overlook.
And the single most important action that you are taking to combat global warming is ..... what exactly?

Bicycling to work and typing on a wind powered PC?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43725 Feb 19, 2014
Hey now wrote:
<quoted text>
So where did the glacier that carved out the Great Lakes go?
Oh yeah ..... it melted.
Don't be afraid of change. Embrace it, relish it, work it, cherish it
Hmm, Perhaps you did not see what happened to Atlanta when a little ice and snow, brought the city to its knees. Sandy of the east coast, had they not listened to the science of climatology Is it not logical to use the science and technology to the best of our ability, to better prepare for change. Some seem to forget, that the time table of change is not a perfect science.That perhaps the extreme change will happen a hundred or more yrs away.But, from the data they do have, it seems to conclude that change is happening faster.Perhaps we are and have been still in a meltdown stage of the last ice age.Perhaps,it is a polar flip.There are many variables to the Earths evolution, which it too seems to evolve around a cycle of constant change.Add in mankind's manipulation of the environment for our self interests, and its understandable, that the exact causes are not quite known. But changing it is, so why not just use the very best of our combined knowledge to understand , what exactly is going on.Either way. The fact some do not accept NASAs research as valid, is a bit alarming.The people have spent billions over the yrs , to have the science and infrastructure for public service, of exploration and technology, to provide better understanding of our global environments..If there is self interest tainting the science of a public service, then where is the demand for the truth, and change in policy. Because it seems to me, people come running pretty quick to government when , natural disasters do happen. Again, as critical thinkers, we should not always wait, until things are critical before we think Take care, and thanks for all the fish.,

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43726 Feb 19, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>LIAR!
you're the equivalent of a Jehovah's Witness.....annoying people by ringing the doorbell during dinnertime......all the while claiming to know the facts.
I've given what the majority of scientists agree upon. I have yet to see your data, for your side of the debate.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43727 Feb 19, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
the 4th assessment came and went with a whimper.
all dated, erroneous, and conflated speculations
Your running out of debate my friend.
litesong

Everett, WA

#43729 Feb 19, 2014
social disease wrote:
...most ice in 35 years!
In 2002 AGW science predicted increases in Antarctic sea ice, re-confirmed in 2005 & as touched touchy toxic topix AGW deniers belatedly discover, think that Antarctic sea ice disproves AGW. Twisto-flex, a decade plus too late.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43730 Feb 19, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
In 2002 AGW science predicted increases in Antarctic sea ice, re-confirmed in 2005 & as touched touchy toxic topix AGW deniers belatedly discover, think that Antarctic sea ice disproves AGW. Twisto-flex, a decade plus too late.
yet you demand that isolated floods in the pacific northwest are proof to your idiotic theory.

stop whoring yourself by using weather and other people's misfortunes, kuntboi.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43731 Feb 19, 2014
my friend ED wrote:
<quoted text>hate gays, they are the cause for all globable warming, in fact gays cause almost everything.gays are the biggest problem america faces today. f the gays.
don't hate on gays, my friend!! they....if anyone actually contribute more by choosing not to procreate.

obviously, they will be left behind when humanity is forced to colonize and populate on other planets.....but that's another story.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43732 Feb 19, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Your running out of debate my friend.
really?? where's yours?

weather and climate is ever changing... you quacks like to exploit misfortunes.

debate that, sasquatch!!

lol

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43733 Feb 19, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> I've given what the majority of scientists agree upon. I have yet to see your data, for your side of the debate.
you need to go back and read your own material, son!

scientists haven't agreed on anything except speculation......especially where grant money is concerned. i haven't seen a scientist say anything more than might or may!!

i haven't seen a scientist stick his neck out showing what man made co2 emission reductions will do in altering climate!!

have you, make believe smarty??
Hey now

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43734 Feb 20, 2014
Where are all the alarmists? Must have arctic vector brain freeze.

C'mon Chicken Little. Show yourself.

Get out from under the desk. Stop shaking.
litesong

Everett, WA

#43736 Feb 20, 2014
[QUOTE who="ratdownthemiddle ", "middleofthedownwronggull y"]....you demand that isolated floods in the pacific northwest are proof.... "of" theory.
.... whoring....[/QUOTE]

"ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" fears, rightly, that its demands that an isolated whore visit it in the down wrong gully, will go unheeded.

With thousands of evidences of changing AGW climate pouring onto people of Earth, only people in the down wrong gully stonewall, taking each evidence individually & saying they don't mean "nothin', no how".

Yet, increasing Antarctic sea ice is toted by touched touchy toxic topix AGW deniers as global cooling. However, in 2002 & reconfirmed in 2005, AGW science predicted Antarctic sea ice increase. In truth "ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" has no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa.

Yeah, AGW climate IS changing around the world, even in my own back yard. I have swamped neighbor's barns due to flooding, so wet hay wouldn't catch fire, tho those barns' contents had never flooded before. I've watched a church member's home almost taken away in a creek flow....... altho previously, there were no creeks within 400 yards.
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litesong wrote:
In 2008, shoveling snow off their Skykomish roofs, the only place to put it was in their yards..... which were already 11 feet deep in snow..... & higher than the roofs they were shoveling.

Skykomish, WA is in the mountains & 62 miles north of Mt. Rainier, which has had the most snow in the world at over 83 feet of total yearly snowfall. Now tho, Mt. Baker, 76 miles north of Skykomish, has the world yearly total snow fall at ~87 feet.
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Posted:
So, what happens when the Spring thaw begins? Flooding?
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litesong wrote:
During Spring floods, the rivers often have water flow rates, 100+ times more than summer time flow rates. That may not seem like much to you, since many rivers are summer dry in arid regions. But our rivers flow year round.
Saying that tho, it does appear that man-made global warming is changing precipitation patterns, even with our abundant rain fall. Presently, we get very slightly more rainfall(including snowfall) during the winter(tho sometimes longer periods without rain are occurring) & our summertimes are getting more arid.
//////////
Watching the weather radar, the "pineapple express" stabilized, pointing directly at our region of the Cascade mountains & focused on a particular ridge. After the first day, a 2 square kilometer slope had been hit by 35inches of rain. Going to bed & waking the next morning, the radar surprisingly showed the "pineapple express" still focused on that ridge, now at 55 inches. By days end, 75 inches had fallen on that one slope. Day three, the "pineapple express" was still focused & saw 110 inches by day's end. On the fourth day, the "pineapple express" started shifting, but that slope had taken 133 inches of rain.
litesong

Everett, WA

#43737 Feb 20, 2014
[QUOTE who="Hay, i'm dense now"] Wonder what.....[/QUOTE]

"Hay, i'm dense now" thinks a stupid question without an answer is worth scientific AGW papers. Of course, "Hay, i'm dense now" has no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa to be worth anything.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43739 Feb 20, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hay, i'm dense now" thinks a stupid question without an answer is worth scientific AGW papers. Of course, "Hay, i'm dense now" has no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa to be worth anything.
Do you have any new material for your lame comedy act?

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#43740 Feb 21, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> I've given what the majority of scientists agree upon. I have yet to see your data, for your side of the debate.
So, you believe what the consensus says then, correct?
Well this article is for you and those in your consensus.
Here's the background on the authors: McNider and Christy are professors of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and fellows of the American Meteorological Society. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Al Gore.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
Jefferson

Fullerton, CA

#43741 Feb 21, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hay, i'm dense now" thinks a stupid question without an answer is worth scientific AGW papers. Of course, "Hay, i'm dense now" has no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa to be worth anything.
Koo koo, Koo koo

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43742 Feb 21, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>So, you believe what the consensus says then, correct?
Well this article is for you and those in your consensus.
Here's the background on the authors: McNider and Christy are professors of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and fellows of the American Meteorological Society. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Al Gore.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
"The two fundamental facts are that carbon-dioxide levels in the atmosphere have increased due to the burning of fossil fuels, and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas, trapping heat before it can escape into space."

Yes, that is what the consensus says.

Do you believe those facts?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43743 Feb 21, 2014
As to whether Christy's 1994 paper says anything about the last two decades, the answer is no.

Removing 20 years of ocean heating does not give you an accurate figure for how much the world has warmed: his own satellite data give a much higher figure.

Which is why he is talking to the Wall St Journal and not the scientific community.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/03/10/2...
litesong

Everett, WA

#43744 Feb 21, 2014
[QUOTE who="ratdownthemiddle ", "middleofthedownwronggull y"]are you mentally retarded?
just saying.[/QUOTE]

We know "ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" can only say something non-scientific, because "ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" never had science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly(or non-) earned hi skule DEE-ploomaa.

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