I think we should let elephants loose in Australia

Feb 1, 2012 Full story: New Scientist 70

Ecologist David Bowman of the University of Tasmania in Hobart, Australia, argues that large herbivores including elephants should be introduced to Australia to bring balance to a country ravaged by uncontrolled wildfires Fellow ecologists including George Wilson of Australian National University in Canberra and Peter O'Brien of the University of ... (more)

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Beady

France

#41 Feb 4, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Much like you we think
Are you the elephant in the room?

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#42 Feb 5, 2012
Beady wrote:
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Are you the elephant in the room?
Are you the mouse in the house ?

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#43 Feb 5, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
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When an animal is very young it can be groomed to accept instruction much like a child .
Kindness beats all hostility.
I agree Neville, people continue to use cruel methods and try to justify them - there is no reason to treat animals cruelly when training them - it's proven that kindness produces the best results.

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#44 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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I agree Neville, people continue to use cruel methods and try to justify them - there is no reason to treat animals cruelly when training them - it's proven that kindness produces the best results.
That kindness produces a bond .

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Where The Wild Things Grow

#45 Feb 5, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
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That kindness produces a bond .
A bond, as opposed to obedience through fear - I have never understood how people can mistreat animals - there is a blind lady in my area who has a guide dog, when you see them together it is amazing, she trusts that dog to take her safely across busy roads and to get the bus to town and home again - that is a bond surely.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#46 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>I have never understood how people can mistreat animals -
Often this is culturally acceptable. While the treatment of live export animals in the middle east and in abbatoirs in Indonesia is less than acceptable; the treatment of wild animals by sports shooters and farmers in Australia doesn't exactly invoke images of Aussie Dr Doolittles to me.

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Where The Wild Things Grow

#47 Feb 5, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Often this is culturally acceptable. While the treatment of live export animals in the middle east and in abbatoirs in Indonesia is less than acceptable; the treatment of wild animals by sports shooters and farmers in Australia doesn't exactly invoke images of Aussie Dr Doolittles to me.
Elias, I am against cruelty where ever it originates, people who shoot animals for sport, farmers who mistreat their stock, people who are cruel to their pets - I don't excuse any of them, cruelty is cruelty.

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#48 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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A bond, as opposed to obedience through fear - I have never understood how people can mistreat animals - there is a blind lady in my area who has a guide dog, when you see them together it is amazing, she trusts that dog to take her safely across busy roads and to get the bus to town and home again - that is a bond surely.
We had a Black Labrador by the name of Gretal who we trained from a 6 week old pup to the time she went for her training to become a guide dog back in the early seventies and she was taken everywhere we went and I mean everywhere from public transport and miles of walking to high rise skyscraper lifts to the noise of crackers or shotguns to provide her with a well rounded education.

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#49 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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Elias, I am against cruelty where ever it originates, people who shoot animals for sport, farmers who mistreat their stock, people who are cruel to their pets - I don't excuse any of them, cruelty is cruelty.
There is an old saying in the bush that doesn't make much sense to me being that we have to be cruel to be kind.
Yeah like marking livestock

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#50 Feb 5, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
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We had a Black Labrador by the name of Gretal who we trained from a 6 week old pup to the time she went for her training to become a guide dog back in the early seventies and she was taken everywhere we went and I mean everywhere from public transport and miles of walking to high rise skyscraper lifts to the noise of crackers or shotguns to provide her with a well rounded education.
That would have been wonderful to be involved in the up-bringing of a future guide dog - were you ever able to see her after she went for training?

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Where The Wild Things Grow

#51 Feb 5, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
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There is an old saying in the bush that doesn't make much sense to me being that we have to be cruel to be kind.
Yeah like marking livestock
I refuse to accept that cruelty is a necessary element of farming - it doesn't have to be that way.

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#52 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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That would have been wonderful to be involved in the up-bringing of a future guide dog - were you ever able to see her after she went for training?
She wasn't accepted due to slight hesitation under instruction so we were able to buy her .
Mum reckons we looked after her too well and she was probably home sick.
Seeing she was a papered dog for breeding purposes we mated her with another papered dog and offered the entire litter to the Guide dogs but were refused, they thinking they may be hesitant as well.
She died at 14 and is buried in the back yard .

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#53 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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I refuse to accept that cruelty is a necessary element of farming - it doesn't have to be that way.
I agree,castrating animals is supposed to add weight per carcass for market but my view is a contented animal is a more tender cut over that of stressed meat.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#54 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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Elias, I am against cruelty where ever it originates, people who shoot animals for sport, farmers who mistreat their stock, people who are cruel to their pets - I don't excuse any of them, cruelty is cruelty.
So I am assuming you are vegan? Even demand for drinking cows milk results in the slaughter of male bobby calfs.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#55 Feb 5, 2012
sairla wrote:
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I refuse to accept that cruelty is a necessary element of farming - it doesn't have to be that way.
The only way to prevent cruelty to animals is literally to stop consuming animal products.
damien auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#56 Feb 5, 2012
african elephants .id prefer african women.

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#57 Feb 5, 2012
Elias wrote:
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The only way to prevent cruelty to animals is literally to stop consuming animal products.
And don't ship them to Indonesia or any country that don't treat them with care before they serve them on their dinner plates....
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#58 Feb 5, 2012
damien auksorius wrote:
african elephants .id prefer african women.
Now now Damien.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#59 Feb 5, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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And don't ship them to Indonesia or any country that don't treat them with care before they serve them on their dinner plates....
Easier said than done. The NT, Qld and West Australian live export industries employ thousands and rely on Indonesia and gulf countries for their livelihood. The Arabs are watching the animal rights issue in Australia and may very well switch to more expensive Canadian and NZ exports.

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Where The Wild Things Grow

#60 Feb 5, 2012
Elias wrote:
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So I am assuming you are vegan? Even demand for drinking cows milk results in the slaughter of male bobby calfs.
I don't eat any meat or meat products and yes, even the dairy aspect concerns me; I just do what I think I can to minimise harm to animals. However, this is a personal choice and I don't consider that what I do is 'right', it's just right for me.

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