Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

[justice]

To all the women PLEASE stay away from this cult

[KPS59]

NUR wrote:

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Indeed speaking of Neal Mendel Chase, the devil

This woman also named "nima", "covenant effacer", and "wahid" enjoys using racial epithets and ethnic slur's. She is an equal to any racist in her prejudice. For that she will no doubt one day receive equal reward.

For those who are truly concerned about the Baha'i Faith and the equality of women and men, go to this link and read the entire decision by the Universal House of Justice.

http://www.uhj.net/justice-for-women.html

Be sure to click on "read full explanation" at the bottom of the page. Here you will find out exactly what Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha provided for guidance on the matter of gender equality and how the Baha'i Universal House of Justice was given authority to make a just decision which will never be overturned.

Don't believe the impostors (SANS-Guardians).

The truth awaits you.

[NUR]

KPS59 wrote:

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This woman also named "nima", "covenant effacer", and "wahid" enjoys using racial epithets and ethnic slur's.

Why don't you meet me face to face, Mendel, and I can show you who the real woman is. It ain't me, bitch.

[NUR]

justice wrote:

To all the women PLEASE stay away from this cult

Amen. But why just women? Everyone needs to stay away from this deranged cult.

[Jeffrey]

NUR wrote:

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I don't disagree. But why project this kingdom into a possible, spatiotemporal future when it ought to be an already accomplished fact? Is it not a form of infidelity/blasphemy towards the Creator to suggest that this world is not in It's grasp right now but would be in some projected future? Would not this asserted lack of a kingdom at this time negate the Creator's very posited already-always omnipotence and all-comprehensiveness? Furthemore what possible need does a Being who is in all things, beyond all things and with all things have for a kingdom, since the assertion of a kingdom to be established in a possible future assumes its present lack and hence posits some kind of privative lack in the Godhead right now?
These theological "tales [about a kingdom] told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" qua exoteric religious narratives are the most profound form of blasphemy to the Godhead there is and ever has been. Perhaps once this Truth is realized that this Divine Sovereignty always is, always has been and always will be, externally as well as internally, is the moment when such a Kingdom is established in the eyes of those who have thus far failed to see it. But such an establishment is not for the sake of the Divine Being, Who has realized this kingdom the very moment it brought it into being, but for the sake of the human moron who - unlike other species on this planet who have already been living in the Kingdom of God from the beginning of creation - will finally come to consciously dwell in it as well.
Look at it like this, it is man/adam and woman/eve who are expelled from the Garden, and not the Garden which is expelled from man/adam and woman/eve.

I agree that the Kingdom of God is already established and that we fail to see it. I do believe that the idea of Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven signifies a maturation of the human race such that we begin to realize the Kingdom for ourselves. I also agree that the need is ours and that God does not have need of us. It does not matter at all to Her whether we realize it or not in our lives and affairs. Of course, we disagree on whether the Baha'i Revelation is the vehicle for this realization.

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

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This woman also named "nima", "covenant effacer", and "wahid" enjoys using racial epithets and ethnic slur's. She is an equal to any racist in her prejudice. For that she will no doubt one day receive equal reward.

Why are you using the word "woman" to insult this man? There is nothing wrong with being a woman.

[KPS59]

Doris wrote:

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Why are you using the word "woman" to insult this man? There is nothing wrong with being a woman.

"dboris" here assumes that use of the word woman is somehow an insult. How strange. "dboris" should illustrate what statement made could be read as an insult.

This being the internet and the only connection here being typeface, it is quite impossible to know the gender of anyone on this forum without having actually met them and therefor equally impossible to insult anyone by assigning any particular gender to them.

This is yet another attempt by this "dboris" person who claims to be a woman, to add into the thread another wholly unrelated and unsubstantial accusatory red herring. Once again as usual "dboris" proves to be ignoratio elenchi.

All must try to stay on point.

Once again here is the point:

Thou hast said,“I have made a
Covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant:
‘I will establish your descendants for ever,
and build your throne for all generations.’”
Psalms 89:3, 4

"The Ancient Beauty [Baha'u'llah] ruleth upon the throne of David.
Thus hath my Pen spoken that which the
histories of bygone ages have related."
~ Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 89

Baha’u’llah is that descendant of King David the whole world is awaiting. The genealogy of Baha’u’llah proves this indisputable fact. This Covenant of Baha’u’llah with His genealogy, which is the Banner of the Kingdom—the Divine Standard unfurled—alone has the power to unite all the peoples of the world and redeem the fortunes of all mankind.

The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds, and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha page 15)

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

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This being the internet and the only connection here being typeface, it is quite impossible to know the gender of anyone on this forum without having actually met them and therefor equally impossible to insult anyone by assigning any particular gender to them.

So why have you suddenly decided to guess upon this particular person's gender? Why suddenly call Wahid Azal a woman?

[KPS59]

Doris wrote:

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So why have you suddenly decided to guess upon this particular person's gender? Why suddenly call Wahid Azal a woman?

Does it seem "sudden" to you?
Are you startled by it?
Why are you always so easily upset by the most trivial and imaginary things "dboris"? You need to focus on the pertinent.

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

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Does it seem "sudden" to you?
Are you startled by it?
Why are you always so easily upset by the most trivial and imaginary things "dboris"? You need to focus on the pertinent.

Ah, the usual kps59 dimwittery. You make a bizarre and idiotic comment like calling someone a "woman". Then when you re asked about it off you go into la-la land failing to answer.

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

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The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds, and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha page 15)

Leaving aside your asinine and cretinous "explanation" that this is not an attempt to make people falsely believe this is a quote from Abdu'l Baha simply because you did not use quotation marks, do you not understand anything at all about how and why citations work?

When you cite a work, right down to the page number, there are rules.

Go learn them.

[KPS59]

The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds, and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha page 15)

Refer to the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha, page 15.

Therein Abdu'l-Baha lays out the Provision of the Covenant which the aforementioned statement of fact refers to.

Simple and straight forward statement backed up by one of the Provisions of the Covenant which was broken by the SANS-Guardian Hands.

[KPS59]

Doris wrote:

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Ah, the usual kps59 dimwittery. You make a bizarre and idiotic comment like calling someone a "woman". Then when you re asked about it off you go into la-la land failing to answer.

This is "dboris"'s personal problem. Unfortunately only questions pertinent to the actual topic of discussion will be addressed at any length. All personal problems will need to be dealt with by those who have them through some other counselor.

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

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This is "dboris"'s personal problem. Unfortunately only questions pertinent to the actual topic of discussion will be addressed at any length. All personal problems will need to be dealt with by those who have them through some other counselor.

Ah, the usual kps59 dimwittery. You make a bizarre and idiotic comment like calling someone a "woman". Then when you re asked about it off you go into la-la land failing to answer.

[Doris]

KPS59 wrote:

The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds, and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha page 15)
Refer to the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha, page 15.
Therein Abdu'l-Baha lays out the Provision of the Covenant which the aforementioned statement of fact refers to.
Simple and straight forward statement backed up by one of the Provisions of the Covenant which was broken by the SANS-Guardian Hands.

When you cite a work, right down to the page number, there are rules.

Go learn them.

[KPS59]

The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds, and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha page 15)

[KPS59]

Amazing to see the ignorance displayed by those who refuse to acknowledge the truth.

[KPS59]

Thus in clear and explicit language 'Abdu'l-Baha covenants:

"This House of Justice enacteth the laws and the government enforceth them. The legislative body must reinforce the executive, the executive must aid and assist the legislative body so that through the close union and harmony of these two forces, the foundation of fairness and justice may become firm and strong, that all the regions of the world may become even as Paradise itself." (`Abdu'l-Baha: Will and Testament, Page: 15)

Thus any individual, group, or institution that is in opposition to the Executive Branch -- the living Davidic King -- but that claims to be "Baha'i", is not Baha'i at all, but is a liar, a cheat, a fraud and a Covenant-breaker and is to be avoided completely.

Those who claim to have a "Universal House of Justice" but are in opposition to or in rejection of the living President of the Universal House of Justice, the great grandson of 'Abdu'l-Baha, are in opposition to the true Universal House of Justice--they have no Executive branch--therefore, they are the Covenant breakers. They are in violation of the Covenant by being in violation of the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha on page 15. In reality, they are in opposition to God (see W&T p. 11). The remedy-AVOID THESE PEOPLE!

"And now, one of the greatest and most fundamental principles of the Cause of God is to shun and avoid entirely the Covenant-breakers, for they will utterly destroy the Cause of God, exterminate His Law and render of no account all efforts exerted in the past."
(`Abdu'l-Baha: Will and Testament, Page: 20)

No Covenant could be clearer than this. There is no excuse for violation.

[KPS59]

The "two forces" Abdu'l-Baha refers to in the above passage he earlier defines as the elected body and the office of the Aghsan Guardianship.

In order to understand these things one must become intimately and deeply versed in the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha which unfortunately those in "dboris"'s condition are not. This is why he has such difficulty grasping even the simplest of provisions of the Covenant, "dboris" is under the thumb of the Covenant Breaking Hands and their legacy.

[KPS59]

"dboris" is to be commended for sticking to the topic in his/her last 2 redundant posts.
Kudo's Kiddo. ;)