ASP

United States

#334 Sep 1, 2011
Curious wrote:
I read the AOT book. Not too flattering on PHI. It basically makes it seem that PHI was started as a reaction(in Oceanside at least) to not being select to plege for AOT.
Greetings and Salutations, Is it just me or is the author of Fraternal Brotherhood really Artie Bucco.
Jimmy of the Chicken Shac

Atlanta, GA

#335 Sep 13, 2011
Artie Bucco, LOL?

Were there ever any brawls at Shoppers Village in West Hempstead?
Triple K

Atlanta, GA

#336 Sep 20, 2011
Did any of the fraternities get into fights with the various black gangs in the area? Or was all the violence white on white crime?
dimples

Suffolk, VA

#337 Sep 20, 2011
marion, was the only blk guy around then and he was in oceanside phi!! wht on wht buddy!
VSN

Sebastopol, CA

#338 Sep 28, 2011
Vsn phi started when the school opened in 1955 ....they were all athletes and did a lot of community service for the neighborhood threw the 70's....vsn had omega and other frat as well...they were dirty fighters with knives and blades as well as bats ....by the mid to late 80's there was only phi left in vsn ....in the 90's there were never more than 18 guys in at a time while other frats had as many as 50... Phi ended in vsn in 2000 as the last remaining functional chapter of a fraternity in the area...there is one man who gets credit for ending phi....he is Robert ...beaver...Thornton
VSN

Sebastopol, CA

#339 Sep 28, 2011
dimples wrote:
marion, was the only blk guy around then and he was in oceanside phi!! wht on wht buddy!
A black man was president of wh phi in the 80's...no one would mess with him no matter what their color was
VSN

Sebastopol, CA

#340 Sep 28, 2011
Jimmy of the Chicken Shac wrote:
Artie Bucco, LOL?
Were there ever any brawls at Shoppers Village in West Hempstead?
A lot of them ...mostly chaos though
VSN

Sebastopol, CA

#341 Sep 28, 2011
Fred Gross wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave I want to reply to this posting by you in respect to my book and its accuracy and truthfulness.
Since there is a limit on the size of posts I am double posting in 2 parts.
First I need to say that the threats and harassment I have dealt with this past year by some Phi members is uncalled for. Grown men with families, businessís, and careers should not resort to threats of violence in public forums. Regardless of what fraternity you were in or what it meant to you, itís just not dignified behavior.
Getting that out of the way, let me address your comments on my book in respect to my mentioningís of Phi. You said you know for a fact that I am biased against Phi. How would you know? You were IP Phi and I was Oceanside AOT. We were from different years and towns. I did not know anyone personally from IP so I doubt you ever knew me. Not meaning to make a big deal out of nothing because you seem like an intelligent reasonable guy and thatís why I am responding to you. As I said before I have gotten a dozen or more threats on Facebook and I never responded to any of them. That kind of bullshit is not worth responding to. And when the avalanche of threats and accusations flow into this thread because I have the audacity to say something here, you can be sure they will be met with a cool silence from me. Trust me, I wonít respond to or converse with idiots.
Next thing is your displeasure with the way I described the beginnings of Oceanside Phi. Well truth be told, I didnít make it up. I actually interviewed none other than Scott Offner. All you Oceanside Phi guys know him. He is the guy that started the Oceanside chapter in 1968. The day before our AOT multi chapter reunion in 2007 I had a 90 minute conversation with Scott over the phone. I told him I was the webmaster of the AOT website and I was doing research and I was hoping he could give me some history on Oceanside Phi. He was very candid and as anyone who knows Scott knows he is a wealth of information and he remembers everything that ever happened in Oceanside. I did not make up the story that Oceanside Phi could not wear colors publicly until 1970, Scott told me this. The existence of 4 other fraternities at the time of Phiís founding in Oceanside made it impossible to go public right away. I also did not make up the story of how Oceanside Phi came to be.
You are wrong about oside forming in 68.... They may have reorganized then but that was not the original charter date
Triple K

Atlanta, GA

#342 Oct 4, 2011
So no fights with the blacks from Hempstead, lakeview or Freeport?
Triple K

Atlanta, GA

#343 Oct 4, 2011
VSN wrote:
Vsn phi started when the school opened in 1955 ....they were all athletes and did a lot of community service for the neighborhood threw the 70's....vsn had omega and other frat as well...they were dirty fighters with knives and blades as well as bats ....by the mid to late 80's there was only phi left in vsn ....in the 90's there were never more than 18 guys in at a time while other frats had as many as 50... Phi ended in vsn in 2000 as the last remaining functional chapter of a fraternity in the area...there is one man who gets credit for ending phi....he is Robert ...beaver...Thornton
What did he do?
mch

Wallingford, VT

#344 Oct 8, 2011
That was a friends brother, some kids did it because they thought he saw them robbing a closed store as he cut through the shopping center. Total waste of all three of their lives. Was there something you wanted to know?
does anybody know wrote:
john dodson
NoName

United States

#345 Oct 10, 2011
Interesting thread. I once researched Island frats for a project. There were over 25 different fraternal groups over the 50+ year span that HS Fraternities functioned on the Island. They were started, in most cases, by civic minded kids. They were athletes and careeer oriented. They had constitutions and functioned with honour and purpose. In the 1970's all of that started to change and one by one, the nobility of fraternities disappeared. They turned from fraternities to gangs. By the mid 1980's only a half dozen towns had active fraternities in them and only a half dozen different "fraternal groups" existed, but the writing was on the wall. The communities and school boards had long since turned on HS fraternities. Funny thing, as you can see on this thread, after all these years, the bickering still continues.
Triple K

Atlanta, GA

#346 Oct 11, 2011
What did Robert 'beaver' Thornton do to end Phi, damn it?
PHI lander

Paterson, NJ

#347 Oct 12, 2011
Their was one brawl set up between a black gang from queens and north Phi in the 80s . The Blacks showed up for the fight bit did nothing moor than drive by and then thay got the hell out of town after seeing Phi standing strong and reedy to brawl. It was not a Black and Wight thing it was over the blacks getting loud with some phi members at a park sum place. They thought Phi was a joke but found out other wise, in the end they were the ones that looked like clowns. Phi also went up agents a skin head gang at a club one night. After the skin heads got beat up they were out for revenge and started driving around north looking to jump phi members.
Omega man Baldwin

Cleveland, OH

#348 Oct 14, 2011
youknowjackshit wrote:
Actually , you are wrong about both incidents. I grew in O'side , both incidents did have Fraternity's affiliated with them. The woman was killed by Billy Almodovar, who was a member of Alpha Sigma Phi. And John Dodson was murdered by Mike Ousterman and Joe Pepe, and guess what they were also members of Alpha Sigma Phi. Although these two were convicted there were several other dirtbags from Phi involved, such as Joey Almodovar( brother to Billy)see the trend.......
all the almadovers are losers and animals in 1982 they came over to Baldwin looking for Omega and since they could find them cuse there stupid they took a innocent man and hit him in the head while he was eating a buger at Buger king , putting him in a coma for months , phi was the reasom all fratys were band from new york , bunch of thugs and pussies , they omly attacked in groups and made sure tthey attacke donly one guy by him self........ and since they were teens at the time no real punish maent was handed down , what a shame fkrs , black and red is dead.
Fred

Queens Village, NY

#349 Oct 15, 2011
VSN wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong about oside forming in 68.... They may have reorganized then but that was not the original charter date
I got thsat info from Scott Offner who is aknowledged as the founder of Oceanside Phi. Also from Billy Weitzman who was AOT prez in 68.
Triple K

Atlanta, GA

#350 Oct 19, 2011
PHI lander wrote:
Their was one brawl set up between a black gang from queens and north Phi in the 80s . The Blacks showed up for the fight bit did nothing moor than drive by and then thay got the hell out of town after seeing Phi standing strong and reedy to brawl. It was not a Black and Wight thing it was over the blacks getting loud with some phi members at a park sum place. They thought Phi was a joke but found out other wise, in the end they were the ones that looked like clowns. Phi also went up agents a skin head gang at a club one night. After the skin heads got beat up they were out for revenge and started driving around north looking to jump phi members.
Now that is the real, thanx for sharing. What about this Thornton character?
seat at he table

Garden City, NY

#351 Oct 19, 2011
Omega man Baldwin wrote:
<quoted text>
all the almadovers are losers and animals in 1982 they came over to Baldwin looking for Omega and since they could find them cuse there stupid they took a innocent man and hit him in the head while he was eating a buger at Buger king , putting him in a coma for months , phi was the reasom all fratys were band from new york , bunch of thugs and pussies , they omly attacked in groups and made sure tthey attacke donly one guy by him self........ and since they were teens at the time no real punish maent was handed down , what a shame fkrs , black and red is dead.
do you no why they went to burger king ass they were first jumped at busy bee on merrick road by omega from baldwin with bats and put in the hospital than were warned by youre own member in retalation that they came 2 baldwin high school and there will be trouble and you cry after it happens
Increase The Peace

Lynbrook, NY

#352 Oct 19, 2011
Did the fraternities keep the RIF MOBILE away from your towns?(For those too young to understand, the RIF MOBILE would bring books to towns that couldn't afford a decent library. RIF was an acronym for Reading is Fundamental.) Seriously, the only thing more pathetic than these threats over things that happened 30 years ago is your inability to communicate what the actual threat is. This entire strand could be used by school districts as a reason to keep frats out (fight illiteracy). Grow up already. The members of these so-called "frats" should remember that frats were supposed to be social clubs working for the positive, not some half-assed gang that wants nothing more than to fight their perceived enemies. I sincerely hope that some of the people who have posted here did not father any children, because we don't need any more hate in this world. Instead of making threats, pick up a book and read. Leave the world a better place than you found it. I know I'll probably get some angry threats if anyone still reads this, but I'm tired of the bullshit. PEACE TO ALL
NoName

United States

#353 Oct 21, 2011
Yes, this would certainly be a good place for Spell Check

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