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Chambersburg green energy advocate offers efficiency idea

There are 38 comments on the Public Opinion story from Dec 30, 2009, titled Chambersburg green energy advocate offers efficiency idea. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

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Chambersburg, PA

#1 Dec 31, 2009
Sounds like this man is doing what hundreds of other people have already done.
The Don

Englewood, CO

#2 Dec 31, 2009
Nothing new here. Just a guy who wants more government spending so he can make more money through his 'initiative'.

His talking points are kind of stupid, especially the following statement: "- Credit card companies have withdrawn $1.5 trillion dollars of credit that was once available to the U.S. consumer."

Where do you think the credit went? It went to the people borrowing money through their credit cards.

Another scam in the making here.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

#3 Dec 31, 2009
To the reader who suggests that I may make more money through my initiative is in error. Since I have already expended the money out of my pocket, I will not be a recipient of any rebates for anything. I have not suggested to anyone that they be made retroactive.
It is a fact that many Credit Card Companies have dramatically reduced the available credit to many card holders.
If you will provide me with your e-mail address I will try to forward a copy of the "Greener American Homes Initiative" as well as, a copy of my homes electric utility bills for the past five years. There, you will see the dramatic results that such energy efficiencies can make to the average American Home.
Section R

Fayetteville, PA

#4 Dec 31, 2009
The Don wrote:
Nothing new here. Just a guy who wants more government spending so he can make more money through his 'initiative'.
His talking points are kind of stupid, especially the following statement: "- Credit card companies have withdrawn $1.5 trillion dollars of credit that was once available to the U.S. consumer."
Where do you think the credit went? It went to the people borrowing money through their credit cards.
Another scam in the making here.
Agrees...I have to ask the question that matters the most - How much did he spend so he could save $1.00? For every $20.00 in green upgrade expenses he gets a $1.00 return? And how big of a carbon footprint was created to make the efficiency products that was purchased? Did the old windows and siding end up in a land fill? If this is duplicated then the power companies will be needing Obamas free money to survive because of the lack of revenues. And why he did not put lead panels in his attic for protection from the hole in the ozone is a mystery to me. The only answer is to live in caves and breath through carbon dioxide filters so we can live for another day.
QuestionMark

Barnegat, NJ

#5 Dec 31, 2009
Wayne Mackey wrote:
To the reader who suggests that I may make more money through my initiative is in error. Since I have already expended the money out of my pocket, I will not be a recipient of any rebates for anything. I have not suggested to anyone that they be made retroactive.
It is a fact that many Credit Card Companies have dramatically reduced the available credit to many card holders.
If you will provide me with your e-mail address I will try to forward a copy of the "Greener American Homes Initiative" as well as, a copy of my homes electric utility bills for the past five years. There, you will see the dramatic results that such energy efficiencies can make to the average American Home.
Why make it a mystery? Post a few numbers showing the reduction in energy expenses and the cost(investment) made to achieve that reduction. Thank you.
Shaking Head

Chambersburg, PA

#6 Dec 31, 2009
What's wrong with this picture? Someone does a wonderful thing and people here jump on him as if he were a criminal.

Great Job Wayne and THANK YOU!!!

I think the rebate system would work well. At least it's going to people who have done something. We have a rent rebate program in our state where people who are on welfare get a portion of what they've paid to a landlord back. That's cash in their pockets that should not be given to them but back to the state. It makes no sense to me.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Dec 31, 2009
The greatest savings my wife and I have experienced so far came as a result of our installing the Triple Pane Windows and doors from West Shore Windows and Doors located in Mechanicsburg, PA. The 11 windows cost about $8,000. The second project was removing our old aluminum siding and prior to replacing it with new siding, we had a local contractor (craftsman) add a product by the name of P2000. It is a one inch thick styrofoam board that is also an air barrier on both sides that we obtained from Berkhaus Distribution Center in Thomasville, PA. It cost exactly $3,880. We needed to replace our 30 year old siding anyway, so why not do it all at the same time.That way, the both the window installers and the Siding installers could coordinate their projects simultaneously and make a fantastic seal around our windows. They are air tight.

The results, as I have said, are remarkable.
On 5/18/2007 our electric utility bill shows a total of 1967 Kwh for April, our electric utility bill for 5/15/2009 was 773Kwh for April.June 15,2007 our electric utility shows we used 1776 Kwh prior to making these changes and this past June's electric utility bill shows we used just 663Kwh.July 2007 we used 1738 Kwh and july 2009 we used just 673Kwh. August 2007 we used 2039Kwh and in August 2009 we used just 683Kwh. September 2007 we used 1721Kwh and in September 2009, we used just 650Kwh. In October 2007 we used 1344Kwh and in October 484Kwh. In November 2006 we used 1512Kwh and this past October we used just 655Kwh. Last month, December we used 850Kwh and in December 2006, we used 2404Kwh. Similar results will continue for as long as we, or someone else who is fortunate enough to occupies this home in the future.
Reality Bytes

Gardners, PA

#8 Dec 31, 2009
Sure, just hold your breath LOL!!!

"I don't expect to hear back from some of these people -- some no, some maybe," Mackey said.
Stanleysteamer

Gardners, PA

#9 Dec 31, 2009
Wayne Mackey wrote:
The greatest savings my wife and I have experienced so far came as a result of our installing the Triple Pane Windows and doors from West Shore Windows and Doors located in Mechanicsburg, PA. The 11 windows cost about $8,000. The second project was removing our old aluminum siding and prior to replacing it with new siding, we had a local contractor (craftsman) add a product by the name of P2000. It is a one inch thick styrofoam board that is also an air barrier on both sides that we obtained from Berkhaus Distribution Center in Thomasville, PA. It cost exactly $3,880. We needed to replace our 30 year old siding anyway, so why not do it all at the same time.That way, the both the window installers and the Siding installers could coordinate their projects simultaneously and make a fantastic seal around our windows. They are air tight.
The results, as I have said, are remarkable.
On 5/18/2007 our electric utility bill shows a total of 1967 Kwh for April, our electric utility bill for 5/15/2009 was 773Kwh for April.June 15,2007 our electric utility shows we used 1776 Kwh prior to making these changes and this past June's electric utility bill shows we used just 663Kwh.July 2007 we used 1738 Kwh and july 2009 we used just 673Kwh. August 2007 we used 2039Kwh and in August 2009 we used just 683Kwh. September 2007 we used 1721Kwh and in September 2009, we used just 650Kwh. In October 2007 we used 1344Kwh and in October 484Kwh. In November 2006 we used 1512Kwh and this past October we used just 655Kwh. Last month, December we used 850Kwh and in December 2006, we used 2404Kwh. Similar results will continue for as long as we, or someone else who is fortunate enough to occupies this home in the future.
It sounds like you are making a second job out of tracking your electric use.
Are you some sort of a frustrated accountant or bean-counter by trade?

Just pay the damn bill like most of us.

I really don't care that you used 674.2kW of electic vs. 329.8kW this month.
Whoop de doo.

God invented oil and natural gas and make electric lines for a reason.
Pipe it to your house and my house then pay for it. Then move on to the more important things in Life.

Geesh you just made a hobby your 2nd job.

I guess the PO was hard up for an entertaining story today.
Tex

Manahawkin, NJ

#10 Dec 31, 2009
Stanleysteamer wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like you are making a second job out of tracking your electric use.
Are you some sort of a frustrated accountant or bean-counter by trade?
Just pay the damn bill like most of us.
I really don't care that you used 674.2kW of electic vs. 329.8kW this month.
Whoop de doo.
God invented oil and natural gas and make electric lines for a reason.
Pipe it to your house and my house then pay for it. Then move on to the more important things in Life.
Geesh you just made a hobby your 2nd job.
I guess the PO was hard up for an entertaining story today.
Must just really tick you off that you are buying electricity from him.
Stanleysteamer

Gardners, PA

#11 Dec 31, 2009
Tex wrote:
<quoted text>Must just really tick you off that you are buying electricity from him.
Tex:
Not 1 bit - my power comes from outside the Borough so its not "his electricity" and I am more than delighted to buy it.

I also own stock in Allegheny, PPL, Exxon, Chevron, Cheasapeake, MedtEd, Excelon Energy, and a few others.

So ching-ching.

Plus, I don't have the hours and expense of screwing around to save just a few bucks.
And, I get nice dividends too ha-ha.

This blowing all your money on upgraded stuff and trying to save a few nickels on electricity is dumb in my opinion, and almost Communist in nature.

Just my opinion.
What he is saving on the Grid, I'm burning it up 24/7 AND getting dividend checks for!!
So, it works out for me to be almost FREE to me.
Tex

Manahawkin, NJ

#12 Dec 31, 2009
Stanleysteamer wrote:
<quoted text>
Tex:
Not 1 bit - my power comes from outside the Borough so its not "his electricity" and I am more than delighted to buy it.
I also own stock in Allegheny, PPL, Exxon, Chevron, Cheasapeake, MedtEd, Excelon Energy, and a few others.
So ching-ching.
Plus, I don't have the hours and expense of screwing around to save just a few bucks.
And, I get nice dividends too ha-ha.
This blowing all your money on upgraded stuff and trying to save a few nickels on electricity is dumb in my opinion, and almost Communist in nature.
Just my opinion.
What he is saving on the Grid, I'm burning it up 24/7 AND getting dividend checks for!!
So, it works out for me to be almost FREE to me.
Unless you own Sierra Resources, you are getting Sc**ud.
Tex

Manahawkin, NJ

#13 Dec 31, 2009
Sorry they changed their name. It's now NV Energy.
I got a tip

Carlisle, PA

#14 Dec 31, 2009
Here's an energy tip, turn your heat down. Easy enough, less talk more action people.

“Divine Hag”

Since: Jun 08

Briar Patch

#15 Dec 31, 2009
Thank you for the information & inspiration, Mr and Mrs Mackey.
We are working towards a similar goal in our 91 year old home.
Babysteps.:)

I hope your dedication continues into the new year and may good fortune always find its way to your door.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

#16 Jan 1, 2010
My Reply to Stanley Steamer. At one time in my 43 year long working career I was an intelligence analyst who worked at the National Security Agency at Ft. George Meade, Md. That was right after returning home from Vietnam.There, as an analyst, I did my very best to determine where the Viet Cong were located and supply that information to our troops who might be walking into a trap. I feel confident that my efforts were successful at saving my some of my fello soldier's lives. I suppose that this kind of thing is still in my blood in that I still feel compelled to use my analitical skills to help solve our nations overwhelmingly high unemployment rate. My last job before retiring was as an Employment Interviewer for Labor & Industry where I successfully taught many thousands of Franklin County Dislocated Workers how to find jobs. What would you have me do with my time? Play Golf!
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

#17 Jan 1, 2010
Reply to Tex. Yo are a most fortunate man.However, thanks to the "greed is good" mentality that is predominently rampent on Wall Street, our nation's hard working middle class has lost as much as 50% of their entire lifetime of skrimping to save for their retirement, only to have it vanish almost literally overnight. While "we the people" have bailed these (what President Obama has recently referred to as) "fat cat bankers", they in turn, and true to form, refuse to make any loans to small bisinesses who need the money to expand their businesses and to rehire the workers they have been forced to let go in order to survive. Perhaps by stimulating demand for more efficient energy saving products for the average middle class homeowners and small businesses,the job creation engine would begin to rev-up forcing employers to have to rehire workers to make even more energy efficient products. When the average homeowner actually begins to see that that there is a way forward away from ever increasing eletric utility bills, they may very well begin to regain the confidence they once had in their future and their children's future. This, in turn, just might be enough to give even Wall Street bankers enough confidence to start letting go of some of their hoards of ill-gotten capital and then perhaps everybody can breath a little easier. Oh, and you may just want to be on the look-out for what hyper inflation is going to do in a year or two to the price of commodities such as coal, oil etc. because they are all going to cost you an arm and a leg just keep your investment profits above water. Good Luck!
Section R

Fayetteville, PA

#18 Jan 1, 2010
The greatest savings my wife and I have experienced so far came as a result of our installing the Triple Pane Windows and doors from West Shore Windows and Doors located in Mechanicsburg, PA. The 11 windows cost about $8,000. The second project was removing our old aluminum siding and prior to replacing it with new siding, we had a local contractor (craftsman) add a product by the name of P2000. It is a one inch thick styrofoam board that is also an air barrier on both sides that we obtained from Berkhaus Distribution Center in Thomasville, PA. It cost exactly $3,880. We needed to replace our 30 year old siding anyway, so why not do it all at the same time.That way, the both the window installers and the Siding installers could coordinate their projects simultaneously and make a fantastic seal around our windows. They are air tight.
The results, as I have said, are remarkable.

The $11,880.00 in material costs for these two items alone would pay my electric bill for the next 80 months. Third grade CASD math tells me that it is not a great deal.The payback is not there.
Wayne Mackey

Chambersburg, PA

#19 Jan 1, 2010
Reply to Sector R: My wife and I were spending a total monthly electric bill that averaged $208 a month. That is almost $2,500 a year for elecrticity alone. We have virtually cut our yearly electric bill to zero. It is our only source of heating and airconditioning our home. If you do the math right, you can clearly see that in our case at least, and I suspect in many many more millions of cases throughout this great country of ours, there are many such instances where a national weatherization campaign could really make a profound difference in their lives.Oh now, lets see. What would we ever do with all that money we were saving as a result of not paying someone else to generate dirty electricity produced from burning focil fuels? Perhaps people could say, pay their monthly mortgage payments,feed or clothe their children. Maybe, just maybe they could eventually send their children to a college or trade school and become investors and Wall Street Executives making millions of dollars a year on the backs of the poor working middle class.

I fought on the front lines for this country in a war far far away from my family and friends years ago. I fought for our capitalist way of life. Back then, banks were a place where a person or a small business could go to get a loan to expand their homes and businesses. The capitalism we have today is no longer working. All the large banks on Wall Street seem to want to do is get ahold of other peoples money and gmble it all on some fancy contribed scheme to make a profit and then quickly pass that risk onto some poor unsuspecting investors who eventually get holding a bag of toxic worthless stock.

What I am advocating for is a massive national call to service that challenges all Americans to set about making all of our homes and small businesses more energy efficient. I was witness to history being made back in the mid 1960's when President John F. Kennedy challenged America to put a man on the moon and bring him safely back to our home planet earth. On July 20, 1969 we were all capivated while we witnessed live coverage as niel Armstrong first set foot on that distant shore. There is once again a national challenge that requires the same vision and committment to putting 20 million American citizens back to work doing something really worthwhile. And, in so doing, we can clean up our environment, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and proudly look forward to a cleaner, brighter, more prosperous future for everyone. We... America can lead the way if we as a people have the will. For surely, if we don't, someone else will do it for us. What Sector R do you propose we do? Nothing is not an option. Please let me know what you propose we do to find our way out of the tnagled mess we have allowed ourselves to get into. I am open to listening to any better ideas from you or anyone else. If you can't then lets all pitch in and get this important job done. Remember. "The difficult we can do now. The Impossible may take five minutes".
Section R

Fayetteville, PA

#20 Jan 1, 2010
Again, how much have you spent in total to save $2,500 a year? Just the two items listed would buy your electric for the next 57 months. If you believe this is the correct way to go then give me the same amount of money you have spent on your project and I will install the panels, add insulation, etc. and then I'll give you back all the savings of my electric bill. No one is saying that being more energy efficient is not a good idea but spending thousands and thousands to save pennies is not the answer that will be embraced by all home owners because it's "the right thing to do". And a note on one other item that you have added to the discussion - when you watched Neil Armstrong take that first step, put up the flag and make history; who set up the camera so we could watch this first step live?

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