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Mannatech sues Las Vegas company in patent dispute

There are 217 comments on the Dallas Business Journal story from Mar 20, 2006, titled Mannatech sues Las Vegas company in patent dispute. In it, Dallas Business Journal reports that:

Dallas Business Journal - 4:56 PM CST Thursday Mannatech Inc. has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Glycobiotics International Inc.

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Dr Gene Snelling

Orlando, FL

#1 Apr 23, 2006
I think true law suit infrigement is one thing;however, competition is another thing. Mannatech got mad when a laboratory chose Glycomannan over Ambrotose to do some clinical tests for glyconutrients, so they decide to sue them as they did a company in Great Britain(which I do not think ever went to trial), knowing that these small companies do not have the funds to sustain a law suit even when they are not infridgeing. Mannatech has the big bucks, and know by the time the money is expended by these little guys, they have got to go out of business, even if they have done nothing wrong. Meanwhile, Mannatech gets to continue charging ridiculously high prices for their product because of the MLM, and the people who really need the product can not get it because it is so overpriced. These companies serve a real purpose. They produce a better product than Mannatech at a more reasonable price, and Mannatech is forced to improve their product to "keep up" which is exactly what just happened with Mannatech pulling their Advanced Ambrotose off the market and replacing it with a new improved Ambrotose and adding more Aloe Extract and decreasing that ridiculous rice flour that they were using as a filler. Their classic Ambrotose (capsules) still has 75 to 90% rice flour. Some Mannatech reps have discontinued marketing the classic because of the filler bewing so much and the nutrient being so little. Oh well, so much for free enterprize.
DR Movkin

United States

#2 Jun 10, 2006
Mannatech's patent is so useless they cannot use it. The small companies they have sued such as Glycobiotics, Int. and Techmedica Health do not use thier patent. It is all deception, smoke and mirrors so they can sell a watered down product for hundreds of dollars. In the patent, they isolate and purify thier ingredients making them break down in the body like glucose. Isotating and purifying these essential sugars takes away all the healing effects of the whole ingreditent. If they used their patent, they might as well sell table sugar. Mannatech does not use thier own patent,(somehow thier labels still say patent pending) Glycobiotics Int. does not infringe their patent andTechmedica does not infringe their patent. It would be in no ones interest to use or have thier patent. Mannatech should know this about their patent and it seems they are fraudulantly suing these small companies. Why not? If they can get $120 for a product containting mostly rice starch why not try and ride this cash cow as long as they can?
Techmedica Health

Englewood, CO

#3 Sep 19, 2006
Dr. Movkin, it is quite incredible your keen perception on the situation with our lawsuit with Mannatech. You are absolutely right on the "isolated and purified". Our lawyers have reviewed their patent in detail and this is what they found as well.
There is no product on the market that infringes on their patent because no one will ever make one based on "isolated and purified". Our product, Nutratose, is actually a polysaccharide and the glyconutrients there are not "isolated and purified". Therefore, we do not infringe on their patent. At the same time, their patent is "useless" since no one will ever make "isolated and purifed" glyconutrients.
Mannatech may not realize this but this lawsuit has been the best thing that has happened to us. We have acquired hundreds of new distributors and we are having a difficult time keeping up with sales.
We have documented lab results showing that our product is over 94% pure glyconutrients (all 8 of them but in a polysaccharide...not isolated or purfied). It is more than just a "blend" but rather an "engineered polysaccharide" that was designed to be highly bio-available. You can not get this high level of purity and concentration unless it was molecularly engineered as Nutratose is.
We have submitted Ambrotose for similar lab work and we will be publishing these shortly in comparison to our Nutratose product. We will be "publishing" more science on it on our website ( nutratose.com ) over the next two weeks so check it out.
The lawsuit will never go to trial. Mannatech knows they don't have a case and that the patent is on a bogus product. Mannatech doesn't realize it, but they picked on the wrong company. We are very well funded. I know that Glycobiotics (the other company sued) fully understands everything we do.
Simply put...Mannatech is in deep trouble.
president@techmedica.com
DR Movkin wrote:
Mannatech's patent is so useless they cannot use it. The small companies they have sued such as Glycobiotics, Int. and Techmedica Health do not use thier patent. It is all deception, smoke and mirrors so they can sell a watered down product for hundreds of dollars. In the patent, they isolate and purify thier ingredients making them break down in the body like glucose. Isotating and purifying these essential sugars takes away all the healing effects of the whole ingreditent. If they used their patent, they might as well sell table sugar. Mannatech does not use thier own patent,(somehow thier labels still say patent pending) Glycobiotics Int. does not infringe their patent andTechmedica does not infringe their patent. It would be in no ones interest to use or have thier patent. Mannatech should know this about their patent and it seems they are fraudulantly suing these small companies. Why not? If they can get $120 for a product containting mostly rice starch why not try and ride this cash cow as long as they can?
Enough is Enough

Lakeland, FL

#5 Nov 4, 2006
I think Some of the comments above are extremely biased and I wouldn't actually listen to Dr. Gene Snelling. He has posted negative comments all over the internet about Mannatech and is widely known as spamming Mannatech with his opinoins.
Frank

Lakeland, FL

#6 Nov 4, 2006
I was recommneded to try this supplier for Glyconutrients:

http://www.glyconutritionforlife.org

Does anybody know about this supplier? Are they reputable?
Taff

Toowong, Australia

#7 Nov 28, 2006
I don't know anything about Glyconutrition for life, but their products appear to be very similar to the ones offered by Mannatech, though I would like the owner to confirm that he has no connection with them.
Personally, I think the best quality and value for money, is the Nutratose Powder from Techmedica.com If you are not happy with them I would suggest Glycomannan.com
I would like to know more also, but the products are quite expensive.
Mariana

Farmington, MI

#8 Jan 7, 2007
Myself and my family use almost all products that Mannatech use and I can say that those products are THE BEST thing for me and my family! They saved my husband's life and he is one year drugs and symptoms free!
Nothing is expensive comparing the amazing results we see using Mannatech's products!

I would NEVER try any other glyconutritional product on the market knowing what Mannatach can and does! Even if people pay me money - I am a scientist myself and I am amazed about the technology and the lab that Mannatech has - I doubt that anyone else can beat this!
Gene Snelling

Orlando, FL

#9 Jan 25, 2007
I believe this is a terrific forum and I hope the discussion will continue. The person(who failed to give their name) said they would not listen to me. Very well, listen to this: I believe Mannatech has a very good product with the new and improved Ambrotose. Nutratose is a very good product as is Glycomannan from Glycobiotics. Dr. David Wheeler probably has the purest product with his "gold". I have researched all of these products, the companies, and have spoken to Sam Caster at Mannatech and the other leaders at the other companies. I believe Mannatech is doing a fantastic job with their non-profit ministry to children. I do not believe the lawsuit will go through..I hope it doesn't. And whoever you are in Florida who did give your name...When you have done as much research as I have(for a year) and tried the products as I have, maybe you will develope some credibility. In the meantime, God bless you for adding to this forum. Keep those cards and letters coming. I spent twenty years in the military defending your right to speak your mind.
Shelly

United States

#10 Jan 28, 2007
Techmedica is a big scam, and rip off. I was a temp worker there when the fda came and raided them. They told techmedica not to send out their product and they called us in over the weekend and sent out the stuff anyways. If the fda knew they would be closed down for all the fraud and lies they tell their customers. They rebottle the same pills in different bottles and call in something new. WATCH OUT FOR THEM. Dont waste your money with them or any other company they so called also run like micronutra, faith meds, etc. They keep growing with new names, but the product is fake and false advertising
Shelly

United States

#11 Jan 28, 2007
and they have stolen patents from other companies and their so called fake drs that they have are big time lyers and scam artists, they should be closed down by the fda and the fbi should arrest all those scam artists at the company who have lied to all of the older people who keep waisting their money on junk that was STOLEN from Mannatech and other places. When you buy two different bottles of something, you are actually buying the same pill in a new name that they made up.
Kent

AOL

#12 Feb 2, 2007
Gene Snelling wrote:
I believe this is a terrific forum and I hope the discussion will continue. The person(who failed to give their name) said they would not listen to me. Very well, listen to this: I believe Mannatech has a very good product with the new and improved Ambrotose. Nutratose is a very good product as is Glycomannan from Glycobiotics. Dr. David Wheeler probably has the purest product with his "gold". I have researched all of these products, the companies, and have spoken to Sam Caster at Mannatech and the other leaders at the other companies. I believe Mannatech is doing a fantastic job with their non-profit ministry to children. I do not believe the lawsuit will go through..I hope it doesn't. And whoever you are in Florida who did give your name...When you have done as much research as I have(for a year) and tried the products as I have, maybe you will develope some credibility. In the meantime, God bless you for adding to this forum. Keep those cards and letters coming. I spent twenty years in the military defending your right to speak your mind.
I am cynical about the viability of any of these glyconutrients. I worked with Carrington Labs and saw some of the failures they had with human clincial trials.
My problem is that after all these years and the multiple scams that there is no viable human study that I am aware of showing clinical efficacy for any human disease process.
If there are any controlled human studies please inform.
Greg

Clio, MI

#13 Feb 2, 2007
After two years of searching, I've discovered only three blinded, controlled studies that were undertaken by individuals or organizations without direct ties to Mannatech:

"And we're just starting a trial using the Mannatech product, Ambrotose. They've asked us to do a doubleblind study because they believe their patented food supplement can be effective in treating fatigue." Dr. Natelson acknowledged that careful, scientific studies by unbiased research groups are rarely done on nutritional supplements, but "the company was willing to put its money where its mouth was and do a formal study." ( http://www.dfwcfids.org/cfids/fightfatigue.ht... )

The above study was initiated by the New Jersey Fibromyalgia /Chronic Fatigue Center in 1998 and may have been completed, but the results are not to be found (I even emailed the NJFM/CFS Center three times but never received a reply).

Another was supposed to have been completed in 2002 by a PhD studying the effects of "glyconutrients" on children with asthma:

"In his study, Dr. Pippenger followed 100 patients with asthma and their use of glyconutrients, phytonutrients and a combination of both starting in January 2001. Ninety-two patients from the original group completed the study by June 2002. Most patients who didn't complete the study left it due to compliance problems. He expects results will be available sometime this fall" ( http://www.glyconutrients-center.org/glyconut... ).

Nearly five full years after the study, the results remain a mystery, at least to me. From the same website:

"Sharon Riesen, MD, assistant professor of pediatrics at Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, Calif., also has been studying glyconutrients and their effects on children with asthma. Preliminary results of her open-label, controlled crossover study show 60 percent to 70 percent of its participants who used glyconutrients reported improvement of their asthma symptoms (Note: that means 30 to forty percent did NOT). Glyconutrients appeared safe, and no child involved in the study needed to stop due to side effects, "which is incredibly rare, even with placebo," she said".

From what I can tell, this was a pilot study using a small number of participants over a short period of time. It was eventually published in the (Mannatech sponsored) Fisher Institute's journal, "Proceedings".

I'd really like to know if Dr. Riesen ever pursued the full study...
Richard

New Orleans, LA

#14 Feb 13, 2007
Shelly, I beleive your post says MI (Michigan). Isn't Techmedica located in California?
Shelly wrote:
Techmedica is a big scam, and rip off. I was a temp worker there when the fda came and raided them. They told techmedica not to send out their product and they called us in over the weekend and sent out the stuff anyways. If the fda knew they would be closed down for all the fraud and lies they tell their customers. They rebottle the same pills in different bottles and call in something new. WATCH OUT FOR THEM. Dont waste your money with them or any other company they so called also run like micronutra, faith meds, etc. They keep growing with new names, but the product is fake and false advertising
Richard

New Orleans, LA

#15 Feb 13, 2007
Kent, I don't think any product from any of these companies will actually cure anything. Any company stays in business by "maintaining" a certain level of stabability not a cure. SELL, SELL, SELL.
Kent wrote:
<quoted text>

I am cynical about the viability of any of these glyconutrients. I worked with Carrington Labs and saw some of the failures they had with human clincial trials.
My problem is that after all these years and the multiple scams that there is no viable human study that I am aware of showing clinical efficacy for any human disease process.
If there are any controlled human studies please inform.
Richard

New Orleans, LA

#16 Feb 13, 2007
Shelly, you sound like a disgruntled employee. You were a temp? You sound like an all-around angry person. I wouldn't hire you. LOL.
Shelly wrote:
and they have stolen patents from other companies and their so called fake drs that they have are big time lyers and scam artists, they should be closed down by the fda and the fbi should arrest all those scam artists at the company who have lied to all of the older people who keep waisting their money on junk that was STOLEN from Mannatech and other places. When you buy two different bottles of something, you are actually buying the same pill in a new name that they made up.
Jim

Middleville, MI

#17 Feb 20, 2007
Dr Gene Snelling wrote:
I think true law suit infrigement is one thing;however, competition is another thing. Mannatech got mad when a laboratory chose Glycomannan over Ambrotose to do some clinical tests for glyconutrients, so they decide to sue them as they did a company in Great Britain(which I do not think ever went to trial), knowing that these small companies do not have the funds to sustain a law suit even when they are not infridgeing. Mannatech has the big bucks, and know by the time the money is expended by these little guys, they have got to go out of business, even if they have done nothing wrong. Meanwhile, Mannatech gets to continue charging ridiculously high prices for their product because of the MLM, and the people who really need the product can not get it because it is so overpriced. These companies serve a real purpose. They produce a better product than Mannatech at a more reasonable price, and Mannatech is forced to improve their product to "keep up" which is exactly what just happened with Mannatech pulling their Advanced Ambrotose off the market and replacing it with a new improved Ambrotose and adding more Aloe Extract and decreasing that ridiculous rice flour that they were using as a filler. Their classic Ambrotose (capsules) still has 75 to 90% rice flour. Some Mannatech reps have discontinued marketing the classic because of the filler bewing so much and the nutrient being so little. Oh well, so much for free enterprize.
The biggest part of this scam is that there really isn't a lawsuit. This is a fabricated PR statement made by Techmedica to give the impression that a bigger company is being threatened by them. Techmedica is a company owned by Tony Pham tpham@techmedica.com Shelly was correct about the FDA raid, I too was a temp at that time. In fact, they have been raided so many times that they lost millions of dollars worth of product. They then told customers who had paid by credit card and waited months for the bogus product, that the product was on back order because of its incredible popularity. When customers called to cancel their orders, the shipping department laughed and said they would send it anyway and wait for a refund took months. They sell products called Diamaxol, Glucofast, Activive, Digestrol, Provigro, Hyperexol. Don't be fooled, these are all the same product. Just a cheesy enzyme that you can purchase at any local health food store for a fraction of the price. For those who wish to complain, although it won't do any good, you may write to Vicky DeLeon, Director of Operations. Their office and warehouse is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. They bottle right there. Her email is vdeleon@techmedica.com
Jim

Middleville, MI

#18 Feb 20, 2007
Richard wrote:
Shelly, you sound like a disgruntled employee. You were a temp? You sound like an all-around angry person. I wouldn't hire you. LOL.
<quoted text>
Richard, had I not worked for this company too, I would certainly have thought Shelly was an angry, disgruntled employee. Believe me, she is telling the truth and it is unbelievable what this company continues to do. They are not located in Califonria or Las Vegas, they are located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The reason they list other addresses is, they have been raided at least 3 times by the FDA. I experieced 2 of them, myself. The weekend we were called in( and by the way, our overtime was never paid, lol) we worked furiously to get all the product packed and shipped. If you want to get a taste of what their "customer service" is like, simply try calling their 1-800 number and be prepared for the ride of your life,lol. Please reply once you have some first-hand experience with these scam artists.
Jim

Middleville, MI

#19 Feb 20, 2007
Techmedica Health wrote:
Dr. Movkin, it is quite incredible your keen perception on the situation with our lawsuit with Mannatech. You are absolutely right on the "isolated and purified". Our lawyers have reviewed their patent in detail and this is what they found as well.
There is no product on the market that infringes on their patent because no one will ever make one based on "isolated and purified". Our product, Nutratose, is actually a polysaccharide and the glyconutrients there are not "isolated and purified". Therefore, we do not infringe on their patent. At the same time, their patent is "useless" since no one will ever make "isolated and purifed" glyconutrients.
Mannatech may not realize this but this lawsuit has been the best thing that has happened to us. We have acquired hundreds of new distributors and we are having a difficult time keeping up with sales.
We have documented lab results showing that our product is over 94% pure glyconutrients (all 8 of them but in a polysaccharide...not isolated or purfied). It is more than just a "blend" but rather an "engineered polysaccharide" that was designed to be highly bio-available. You can not get this high level of purity and concentration unless it was molecularly engineered as Nutratose is.
We have submitted Ambrotose for similar lab work and we will be publishing these shortly in comparison to our Nutratose product. We will be "publishing" more science on it on our website ( nutratose.com ) over the next two weeks so check it out.
The lawsuit will never go to trial. Mannatech knows they don't have a case and that the patent is on a bogus product. Mannatech doesn't realize it, but they picked on the wrong company. We are very well funded. I know that Glycobiotics (the other company sued) fully understands everything we do.
Simply put...Mannatech is in deep trouble.
president@techmedica.com
<quoted text>
Tony,(president@techmedica.com ) isn't your actual email address tpham@techmedica.com? Anyway, can you please shed some light on your target marketing process. Since all the product is the same, I understand the power of target marketing. Isn't it fraud and false advertising? Why do you list a Dr. Michael Halliday as CEO of Techmedica, when you are listed as CEO of Techmedica and not a medical doctor at all. I know that Don has an MD from Wayne State but has he ever been a practicing physician or just a chiropractor? I think your customers deserve the truth.
Jodie

United States

#20 Feb 21, 2007
After reading these postings, I am more confused then before! I would like to try Ambrotose or Nutratose. I would love to know if anyone has factual information on either product?
Greg

Clio, MI

#21 Feb 22, 2007
Jodie wrote:
After reading these postings, I am more confused then before! I would like to try Ambrotose or Nutratose. I would love to know if anyone has factual information on either product?
It's a fact that Ambrotose is an expensive nutritional supplement. It's a fact that it is sold primarily through an MLM (pyramid) marketing system. It's a fact that people claim it's responsible for helping them recover from everything from cancer to autism. It's also a fact that there is no definitive scientific evidence that Ambrotose does anything at all useful for the human body when consumed as directed.

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