Trayvon Martin - Irvine, KY

Trayvon Martin - Irvine, KY

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rip

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#1 Mar 26, 2012
It may have been racially motivated but, it's not a white on black hate crime like the media is throwing out there. Zimmerman is mexican. His own father tried to tell them that but no one will listen because the media wants to take issue with this Stand Your Ground law. Take the time to look his picture up and you will see. Another thing, why aren't they displaying the 17 year Trayvon's current picture instead of the 12 year old Trayvon that everyone is seeing? It's to drive the rage in people's hearts and minds a little deeper.
media twist machine

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Mar 26, 2012
The untimely death of any human being, regardless of the circumstances, is tragic. But why are there those who want to compound the tragedy and heap even more grief onto what is already there?

Some in the media is now referring to Zimmerman as a "white latino". They are deliberately stirring the pot using this made-up terminology. They are deadset on twisting this into white-on-black crime. This is horrible for race relations in our country. No one wants to wait to see how this plays out legally. The the New Black Panther Party has a bounty out on Zimmerman now.

None of us know all of the details of the incident yet. Still he is already being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. This is so reminiscent of the Duke lacrosse scandal and look how that turned out.

This case may end up being just as cut and dried as some are making it out to be. Or maybe it won't. Step back and let the legal system work so that no one else is harmed.
MHO racism not to blame

Sheridan, AR

#3 Mar 26, 2012
Even if you believe that he(George Zimmerman) used the words "effin coon", I still do not think this happened ENTIRELY because Trayvon was black as the media is portraying. I think it would have happened even if Trayvon had been white!
Let me explain...

This gated community had been burglarized 8 times in the last 15 months. Obviously, there was a burglar prowling the streets at some point in time during the nights. I think Zimmerman got worked up into a frinzy (in his own mind) because he thought he had located the burglar- which seemed to be a strange young boy in a hoodie. I think his adrenaline was flowing and he (wanting to be a cop and all) was going to take this burglar down (not that Trayvon WAS the burglar, just in Zimmerman's mind he had located THE burglar) and the confrontation would have happened regardless of what color the young boy's skin turned out to be.

That would not be "racially motivated", that would simply be "emotionally driven."
just the facts maam

United States

#4 Mar 27, 2012
First let me say that I believe the parents are hurting their case by parading around with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. These two men have made a "career" out of stirring the race pot. Every photo op lately shows these two men flanking the family.

I have been hearing/seeing a lot of conflicting info on this case across various news sources. I read that there is a 13 year old witness to the event. The news even gave the kid's name, making him a target. I read that Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind, broke his nose and repeatedly bashed his head into the pavement and tried to take the gun from him.

Why are we seeing old photos of both men? Yes, I call them both men because when a 17 year old has an altercation with a female they always refer to him as a man, not a boy. At least be consistent.

I believe the photos were chosen deliberately to make one man look meaner than the other. I have seen a newer photo of Zimmerman and he looked like a stodgy businessman. I would like to see a recent head-to-toe photo of Martin that shows if it is true that he was 6 foot 3 and wiry, not a tiny kid like the old photos portray. Zimmerman is a 5 foot 9 chubby dude. One had height advantage, the other had weight advantage. Not the mismatch the media is portraying.

I don't know what really happened that night, but I sure wish they would ferret out the truth. At this point I don't think it will matter for Zimmerman, though. If he were found to be truly defending himself, the public bloodlust is already too high to diffuse. I worry the tragedy will double.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#5 Mar 27, 2012
just the facts maam wrote:
First let me say that I believe the parents are hurting their case by parading around with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. These two men have made a "career" out of stirring the race pot. Every photo op lately shows these two men flanking the family.

I have been hearing/seeing a lot of conflicting info on this case across various news sources. I read that there is a 13 year old witness to the event. The news even gave the kid's name, making him a target. I read that Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind, broke his nose and repeatedly bashed his head into the pavement and tried to take the gun from him.

Why are we seeing old photos of both men? Yes, I call them both men because when a 17 year old has an altercation with a female they always refer to him as a man, not a boy. At least be consistent.

I believe the photos were chosen deliberately to make one man look meaner than the other. I have seen a newer photo of Zimmerman and he looked like a stodgy businessman. I would like to see a recent head-to-toe photo of Martin that shows if it is true that he was 6 foot 3 and wiry, not a tiny kid like the old photos portray. Zimmerman is a 5 foot 9 chubby dude. One had height advantage, the other had weight advantage. Not the mismatch the media is portraying.

I don't know what really happened that night, but I sure wish they would ferret out the truth. At this point I don't think it will matter for Zimmerman, though. If he were found to be truly defending himself, the public bloodlust is already too high to diffuse. I worry the tragedy will double.
Spike Lee tweeted Zimmerman's home address--he clearly wants the tragedy to double as well.
just the facts maam

United States

#6 Mar 27, 2012
CBS news site added new info today. Says Martin had been suspended from high school multiple times for vandalism, truancy, tardiness in addition to the current suspension he was in over the "marijuana residue".

Yet the parents initially avowed that their son was a good kid that had never been in any trouble.

CBS also reports the investigators believe "Martin decked Zimmerman with a single punch and bashed his head against the sidewalk".
just the facts maam

United States

#7 Mar 27, 2012
ABC is reporting similar info. Also adding that "recent pictures on the web and social media show him with gold dental grill and making obscene gestures to the camera".

Why are these pictures not being shown instead of the cute 12 year old pics?

ABC also says all these suspensions and other incidents were over the past year. They include the marijuana incident, spraying graffiti on school property, and having 12 pieces of women's jewelry and a "burglary implement" (flat head screwdriver) in his backpack. He was not charged or disciplined for the jewelry/screwdriver incident, ABC says.
just the facts maam

United States

#8 Mar 27, 2012
On the flip-side, I have not heard or read anything about a criminal past for Zimmerman. Is he squeaky clean or did I miss something? I did not follow the case at the start so I might have missed something from early on.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#9 Mar 27, 2012
just the facts maam wrote:
On the flip-side, I have not heard or read anything about a criminal past for Zimmerman. Is he squeaky clean or did I miss something? I did not follow the case at the start so I might have missed something from early on.
It is possible he has gotten in with the wrong crowd. All of his bad behavior does seem more recent--more reason for after school programs and mentoring programs to give kids a better lifestyle.

If he was very quickly moving in a downward spiral of insubordination and bad behavior, it is even more possible to me that he would have a very confrontational attitude.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#10 Mar 27, 2012
just the facts maam wrote:
On the flip-side, I have not heard or read anything about a criminal past for Zimmerman. Is he squeaky clean or did I miss something? I did not follow the case at the start so I might have missed something from early on.
All accounts seem to show that he is a very active community member who takes time to volunteer to help underprivileged kids (especially minorities) to help them succeed. It is quite possible that of Treyvon had attended some of Zimmerman's classes, he would have been able to turn his life around.

I don't think Treyvon was in any way evil as a person--but he was at an age where guidance is crucial to helping a young adult make the right decisions for the rest of their lives.
Chimmingin

London, KY

#11 Mar 27, 2012
How can you get around the 'facts' that Zimmerman stalked, for what was obviously a while, a stranger, with an assault weapon, while on the phone with the police telling him NOT TO, and according to 'him' getting close enough to that stranger to 'FIGHT', and HIS gun that he carried in a HoLsTeR on his side found it's way out and shot and KILLED the BOY? Let's don't forget the fact that he outweighed the kid by 100 pounds, was 10 years older, AND he was armed! In my book, that's not even a fair fight! I really doubt it was racially motivated, I think according to Zimmerman's Criminal Report, he was a little Gun Ho. He did have an 'abuse' case against him with a former girlfriend. If that wasn't enough, while Martin's mother frantically looked for her 17yr old, he was laying in the morgue for THREE DAYS, and the police had his CELL PHONE! They didn't know enough to hit 'last # dialed, home, mom, anything? They didn't EVEN try. Now what if the situation were reversed? What if a Black man stalked a 17yr old white boy, who he out weighed by 100 lbs, was 10 years older, and he followed him until he cornered him and shot him dead with 1 bullet from his assault weapon then ran away and left him for dead? And what if the police took him to the morgue and didn't tell his parents for 3 days. And the police just let that Black Man go, because after all the Black Man said the boy fought him and broke his nose.......

The Blacks are not mad because they think this was a 'Hate Crime' though it may be by the words used. They are furious because of the way it was and IS handled. There have to this day, been no arrest, no investigation, no one notified them their son was dead, the state police had not called Zimmerman in for questioning, it's all a farce! If Sharpton had not called national attention to it, it would have been swept under the rug as just another black kid dead, and the white man walked fee that very day! These things still happen, and calling attention to them, so that there is public shame and justice, is what always has to happen.
Chimmingin

London, KY

#12 Mar 27, 2012
Kick Brass wrote:
<quoted text>
All accounts seem to show that he is a very active community member who takes time to volunteer to help underprivileged kids (especially minorities) to help them succeed. It is quite possible that of Treyvon had attended some of Zimmerman's classes, he would have been able to turn his life around.
I don't think Treyvon was in any way evil as a person--but he was at an age where guidance is crucial to helping a young adult make the right decisions for the rest of their lives.
Treyvon is 17YEARS OLD AND DEAD! Zimmerman the 'stalker' is alive and well! Why would you idolize a murderer who called his victim a 'coon' before he shot him dead. And put down a 17 year old that had his whole life in front of him, that had done stuff that kids do. I have noticed that they came out with 2 or 3 things he had gotten in trouble at school so he got suspended, but that's a kid. He wasn't the one carrying a gun? Don't strap on a gun, if you don't mean to shot it, I always say! This is all FOX stuff. "Why are the Leftys playing the race card".

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#13 Mar 27, 2012
Chimmingin wrote:
How can you get around the 'facts' that Zimmerman stalked, for what was obviously a while, a stranger, with an assault weapon, while on the phone with the police telling him NOT TO, and according to 'him' getting close enough to that stranger to 'FIGHT', and HIS gun that he carried in a HoLsTeR on his side found it's way out and shot and KILLED the BOY? Let's don't forget the fact that he outweighed the kid by 100 pounds, was 10 years older, AND he was armed! In my book, that's not even a fair fight! I really doubt it was racially motivated, I think according to Zimmerman's Criminal Report, he was a little Gun Ho. He did have an 'abuse' case against him with a former girlfriend. If that wasn't enough, while Martin's mother frantically looked for her 17yr old, he was laying in the morgue for THREE DAYS, and the police had his CELL PHONE! They didn't know enough to hit 'last # dialed, home, mom, anything? They didn't EVEN try. Now what if the situation were reversed? What if a Black man stalked a 17yr old white boy, who he out weighed by 100 lbs, was 10 years older, and he followed him until he cornered him and shot him dead with 1 bullet from his assault weapon then ran away and left him for dead? And what if the police took him to the morgue and didn't tell his parents for 3 days. And the police just let that Black Man go, because after all the Black Man said the boy fought him and broke his nose.......

The Blacks are not mad because they think this was a 'Hate Crime' though it may be by the words used. They are furious because of the way it was and IS handled. There have to this day, been no arrest, no investigation, no one notified them their son was dead, the state police had not called Zimmerman in for questioning, it's all a farce! If Sharpton had not called national attention to it, it would have been swept under the rug as just another black kid dead, and the white man walked fee that very day! These things still happen, and calling attention to them, so that there is public shame and justice, is what always has to happen.
I'm sure that Treyvon was in extreme fear while he towered over Zimmerman, knocked him down with a single swing, and repeatedly beat his head into the pavement.:sarcasm:

It was his job to investigate unknown people in that community. It was gated, meaning that strangers were not generally seen there. Zimmerman had stopped several criminal acts in the past by doing this job the community assigned him to do.

The police are of course going to tell you not to pursue or even follow someone you see committing a crime. It's a matter of liability--no dispatcher wants to get sued for telling a person to follow and keep reporting the location of a drink driver, purse snatcher, etc.

If you want to talk about criminal actions, let's talk about the robbery tools and women's jewelry Treyvon was found with. Or the marijuana baggie, and the friend wanting to "do business" and score some "plant" from Treyvon. How about the bus driver he "took a swing at" last month?

I fear Treyvon was a young adult that had started making some very bad decisions in life. We won't ever know if he would have turned his life around eventually, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that he could have easily been an extreme aggressor in this matter.

When is the last time you thought you were being followed, so you went and tried to flatten your follower's skull into pavement?
flag waving hippie

United States

#14 Mar 27, 2012
There you go lying again, Chimmy. Zimmerman is 5 foot 9, 200 pounds. Martin was 6 foot 3, 150 pounds. Do the math... that is not a 100 pound difference. The height advantage Martin had over Zimmerman was more than enough to give him the upper hand, especially since at least one witness said that Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind as he was WALKING AWAY from the situation

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#15 Mar 27, 2012
Chimmingin wrote:
<quoted text>Treyvon is 17YEARS OLD AND DEAD! Zimmerman the 'stalker' is alive and well! Why would you idolize a murderer who called his victim a 'coon' before he shot him dead. And put down a 17 year old that had his whole life in front of him, that had done stuff that kids do. I have noticed that they came out with 2 or 3 things he had gotten in trouble at school so he got suspended, but that's a kid. He wasn't the one carrying a gun? Don't strap on a gun, if you don't mean to shot it, I always say! This is all FOX stuff. "Why are the Leftys playing the race card".
Is a police officer a stalker if the see someone they suspect of a crime? Of course not. Zimmerman wasn't a cop, but he was assigned by his neighborhood to watch for and investigate suspicious activity.

Assault, burglary and drug dealing are not "stuff that kids do."

The "coon" comment disturbs me if it is true. I have heard cleaned up audio from the call and can't figure out if he said "coons," "punks," or something else. There is a visible spike on the sound graph of the call at that point the matches a close-lipped "p" sound as heard through a mic without a pop filter. But we don't know for sure.

Considering that this guy spent most of his free time hanging out with young black men acting as a mentor, I don't know that such a word would come off his tongue so easily, but I guess we can't tell for sure. As it is, the grand jury is deciding on the case and will indict if they feel it is proper.
flag waving hippie

United States

#16 Mar 27, 2012
And another lie from Chimmy... FOX isnt reporting this stuff and neither is NBC... the new evidence is being reported at ABC and CBS.
flag waving hippie

United States

#17 Mar 27, 2012
Chimmy, why would you give a "black man stalking a white boy" as an opposite scenario. Isn't Zimmerman Latino? Why are you making this a race issue at all?

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#18 Mar 27, 2012
flag waving hippie wrote:
And another lie from Chimmy... FOX isnt reporting this stuff and neither is NBC... the new evidence is being reported at ABC and CBS.
NBC and FOX seem to have realized from the start that it wasn't worth taking sides when so little evidence was released. I wonder who the genius was that thought, "Let's use a photo when this giant was only 12 so he looks tiny and innocent!"

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#19 Mar 27, 2012
flag waving hippie wrote:
Chimmy, why would you give a "black man stalking a white boy" as an opposite scenario. Isn't Zimmerman Latino? Why are you making this a race issue at all?
And being a minority,Zimmerman realized the need for minorities to help each other when the government didn't do their part--hence his volunteering to peer young African Americans in hopes that he could help make a difference in their lives.
Chimmingin

London, KY

#20 Mar 27, 2012
Isn't it funny how that, is it 12yr old 'witness', after a full month, just happened to pop up and remember the murder she witnessed and the horrible crime and beating Zimmerman took? I can't imagine how afraid she must have been! And then to think how Zimmerman drove home dripping with blood and tissue almost dead only then to have to pull himself together and report to the police station and talk to them still without medical attention. Even more unbelievable how he had to then pack his clothes and go into hiding, nursing his wounds, and living with the fact that he had just taken a young life! And of all the reports the police have read to the press, and the accounts of that day, not once did they mention his near death experience or his location. It's going to be hard to tell though, he's been in hiding long enough to heal, so we may never know. Except, we do know that Martin is dead, and Zimmerman shot him, while Martin's girlfriend heard it all. Her story hasn't changed. Wonder who cleaned up all that blood? There would be 2 locations now, and with the FBI FINALLY in charge, I would imagine we shall see. A few x-rays of Zimmerman's nose, some blood samples on the pavement, & the entrance of the bullet. Things that should have been done when it happened, not a month later. That's all.
The police said that Zimmerman was NOT on 'neighborhood watch' at the time of the incident. But, that he reveled in such things and had made over 50 calls to them within a short period of time since neighborhood watch had started, probably the reason they didn't move too fast.

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