RIGHT TO WORK... Michigan just passed it why not KY!!

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IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#1 Dec 12, 2012
Well Michigan joins the likes of Indiana and South Carolina and others in passing Right to Work laws allowing employees the ability to get a job in a Union environment without being forced to pay the Union thugs dues.. Just wondering when Kentucky will have the balls to join their neighbor Indiana in finally bringing real economic prosperity to this State?
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Nancy, KY

#2 Dec 13, 2012
I am all for it. I would rather see low paying jobs than NO PAYING JOBS. The MI law recognized existing contracts. A right to work law would help low paying jobs to come here. Irvine would improve. Look at eastern TN. Not one county in E. TN lost people. All Eastern KY counties without prisons LOST people in 2010. Check the stats if you don't believe me. People should have the right to work and not pay money to fund Democrat presidential campaigns. Union bosses are as greedy as CEOs and management.,
IndividualSovere ignty

Irvine, KY

#3 Dec 13, 2012
There is no such thing as low paying jobs... There are just jobs.. The payrate is irrelevant.. Its up to each person to live a lifestyle according to their own ability to fund it.. Its not up to any one else to fund their lifestyle other than themselves.
YoUknow

United States

#4 Dec 16, 2012
Ky IS a right to work for low paying jobs state and passed that years ago to keep better paying union jobs out of Ky
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#5 Dec 16, 2012
YoUknow wrote:
Ky IS a right to work for low paying jobs state and passed that years ago to keep better paying union jobs out of Ky
That is simply untrue. People applying at companies that have a union labor contract and closed shops are not given a choice to join a union if hired in this state. That is what Right to Work laws are about is preventing employees from being forced to pay Union dues just to be able to clock in and out of work.
chris

Irvine, KY

#6 Dec 16, 2012
have any of you worked a union job? Do any of you know how much "dues" cost? It is a fraction of your pay, maybe 30 dollars a week if you make 18 plus dollars an hour, and by the way how many jobs that are not union pay that much? In richmond Okonite is the highest paying factory with the best benefits and yes they are union, you people that sit back and hold such a bad opinion on unions obviously have never been employed by a place that had a union. The reason "right to work" is a bad idea is because unions main focus is equality and you cannot be in a factory covered by a contract and have people in there working that are not because then you have separate rules for all the workers. Why would you all fight against something that betters the workers, do you all expect these companys to continue to get labor at next to nothing cost, all it does is gives more power to the people running the company, they already know people are out of work and are begging for jobs so now they can name their price. In no world is it right for a man to have to go to work in a factory and take 10 years to get top out pay of 15 dollars an hour, I understand people have a choice and can go to school and do other things but that's the problem with this economy, the rich are making more money and not turning loose of any of it while the working class has to spend their extra money on rising fuel and higher groceries, that's why these credit card companys love poor people because that is the only option they have. I wonder how many families have put Christmas on a master-card and it will take them a year to pay it off and then have to give back double what it actually cost. Right to work is ridiculous it is one more step in getting rid of unions, anybody that has ever worked in a factory knows they are at will from the time they walk in the door a union will do nothing but help protect your job and give you the pay you deserve.

“Relax. Its just a ride.”

Since: Aug 09

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#7 Dec 16, 2012
More like right to fire. Look folks, the American worker is on the ropes. Corporate profits skyrocket as wages plummet. A twenty something in this economy can expect to work longer than their forefathers and for WAY less money (adjusted for inflation). Remember hearing about that amazing expansion of the middle class in the 50s that has never happened before or since? That unprecedented American Dream? Yeah, you can thank unions.
Guess what? Trickle down doesn't work. When the consumer has no money to spend, then the economy goes nowhere. A 28 year old guy throwing his life away 80+hours/week at some temp service hell hole just to barely pay the rent isn't going to get the economy moving forward.

“Relax. Its just a ride.”

Since: Aug 09

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#8 Dec 16, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
There is no such thing as low paying jobs... There are just jobs.. The payrate is irrelevant.. Its up to each person to live a lifestyle according to their own ability to fund it.. Its not up to any one else to fund their lifestyle other than themselves.
uhhhhhh....no. There is a such thing as a low paying job. I assure you. Next you'll be telling me that being poor is a state of mind or some crap. If a man comes to work for you and puts himself into it full time, then that man deserves a living wage. If you can't afford to pay a living wage then perhaps you shouldn't be in business. Perhaps the allmighty market can find a replacement for you.
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#9 Dec 16, 2012
Cornliquor Federation wrote:
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uhhhhhh....no. There is a such thing as a low paying job. I assure you. Next you'll be telling me that being poor is a state of mind or some crap. If a man comes to work for you and puts himself into it full time, then that man deserves a living wage. If you can't afford to pay a living wage then perhaps you shouldn't be in business. Perhaps the allmighty market can find a replacement for you.
Is it really up to the employer to continue to constantly re-adjust his business model everytime an employee decides to change his lifestyle?? Is it really up to the employer to keep tabs on the monetary needs of the employee? Yes indeed being poor is a state of mind.. There are plenty of happy people in the world that don't have much of anything. Part of being free and sovereign and part of keeping your individuality is putting on your big boy pants and deciding for yourself and funding the lifestyle you wish to live. This nonsense that our employers have a responsibility to provide a "living wage" is born out of our increased desires to constantly depend and point the finger at someone else and it is also the very source of why our Government is out of control with its 16 trillion dollar debt and why we are no longer the free nation that our founding fathers created.

Its as simple as this..If you don't think you are making enough money.. You have no one else but yourself to blame.. There are many things people spend money on that they can live without such as Cable, Satelite, Internet, Alcohol, Ciggarettes, that vehicle with a V8 in it, going out to eat instead of cooking for yourself. etc.
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#10 Dec 16, 2012
When does enough wage become enough? Its human nature to keep desiring more and more.. The damn minimum wage could be 15.00 an hour and people would still be demanding that it be higher and demanding that McDonalds employees be able to make enough money to buy themselves a BMW. Where does it end? Thanks to our pathetic government controlled education system, people do not possess the knowledge to connect the dots to realize that increased labor costs are directly linked to everything costing more. A business only has one goal and one responsibility and that is to make money, to make a profit.. It should be the goal of each employee hired under that business to make sure they are working hard enough to continue providing for their own job security.

“Relax. Its just a ride.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#11 Dec 16, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
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Is it really up to the employer to continue to constantly re-adjust his business model everytime an employee decides to change his lifestyle?? Is it really up to the employer to keep tabs on the monetary needs of the employee? Yes indeed being poor is a state of mind.. There are plenty of happy people in the world that don't have much of anything. Part of being free and sovereign and part of keeping your individuality is putting on your big boy pants and deciding for yourself and funding the lifestyle you wish to live. This nonsense that our employers have a responsibility to provide a "living wage" is born out of our increased desires to constantly depend and point the finger at someone else and it is also the very source of why our Government is out of control with its 16 trillion dollar debt and why we are no longer the free nation that our founding fathers created.
Its as simple as this..If you don't think you are making enough money.. You have no one else but yourself to blame.. There are many things people spend money on that they can live without such as Cable, Satelite, Internet, Alcohol, Ciggarettes, that vehicle with a V8 in it, going out to eat instead of cooking for yourself. etc.
Your going out of your way to confuse apples and oranges. A living wage implies that for a full time schedule of hard work you DESERVE to be able to meet your needs (not necessarily wants). You see, this is what I don't understand. Bankers, who don't actually produce a thing btw, get multitrillion dollar handouts and the supply-side folks seem to be cool with that. However, when a working man, who actually produces something, asks for enough to feed his kids in exchange for the labor that keeps it all going, these folks are pissing their panties at the absurdity of it all. I know plenty of people who do not drive a V8, do not have cable, who do not smoke and are barely able to get by on massive overtime. There needs to be counterbalance. The pendulum has swung way too far in favor of the do nothings (bankers, etc..). We need to move it more towards the center before its too late.
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#12 Dec 16, 2012
Cornliquor Federation wrote:
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Your going out of your way to confuse apples and oranges. A living wage implies that for a full time schedule of hard work you DESERVE to be able to meet your needs (not necessarily wants). You see, this is what I don't understand. Bankers, who don't actually produce a thing btw, get multitrillion dollar handouts and the supply-side folks seem to be cool with that. However, when a working man, who actually produces something, asks for enough to feed his kids in exchange for the labor that keeps it all going, these folks are pissing their panties at the absurdity of it all. I know plenty of people who do not drive a V8, do not have cable, who do not smoke and are barely able to get by on massive overtime. There needs to be counterbalance. The pendulum has swung way too far in favor of the do nothings (bankers, etc..). We need to move it more towards the center before its too late.
You speak like Bankers are the only employees out there who make any decent amount of money, What about Railroad employees who can retire under 25 years and make twice that of those who actually provide the products that fill those rail cars? What about the upper echelon of employees in our schools who work 9 months out of the year making 75-100K a year?? You want counterbalance? You aren't going to get it by acting like you are entitled to more money than your employer has deemed necessary to keep that job operating at a profit.. You arent going to get balance by joining Unions who do nothing more than put your job at risk by continuously putting you at odds with your real bosses and pricing your job into extinction. You can call it apples to bananas if it makes you feel better but the facts remain that you are not entitled to more than what your boss deems necessary to pay you and that if you want more its your responsibility to go elsewhere and get more.

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