"Gay Gene" theory dealt knockout punch

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TheTruth

Ford City, PA

#1 Oct 24, 2009
The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

For decades, the APA has not considered homosexuality a psychological disorder, while other professionals in the field consider it to be a "gender-identity" problem. But the new statement, which appears in a brochure called "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," states the following:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

That contrasts with the APA's statement in 1998: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

Peter LaBarbera, who heads Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, believes the more recent statement is an important admission because it undermines a popular theory.

"People need to understand that the 'gay gene' theory has been one of the biggest propaganda boons of the homosexual movement over the last 10 [or] 15 years," he points out. "Studies show that if people think that people are born homosexual they're much less likely to resist the gay agenda."

Matt Barber with Liberty Counsel feels the pronouncement may have something to do with saving face. "Well, I think here the American Psychological Association is finally trying to restore some credibility that they've lost over the years by having become a clearly political organization as opposed to an objective, scientific organization," he states.(Hear audio report)

With the new information from the APA, Barber wonders if the organization will admit that homosexuals who want to change can change.

"It's irrefutable from a medical standpoint that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle," he argues. "Homosexuality is defined by behavior. Untold thousands of people have found freedom from that lifestyle through either reparative therapy or through -- frankly, most effectively -- a relationship with Jesus Christ."

LaBarbera agrees. "Change through Christ is possible -- and it's one of the most heartwarming aspects of the whole gay debate," he shares. "Many men and women have come out of homosexuality, mostly through a relationship with Jesus Christ. The fact that these professional organizations will not study that, will not acknowledge that, shows how 'in the tank' they are for the homosexual movement."

LaBarbera stresses that even though elites will not recognize the change, that does not mean the change does not exist. In fact, both Barber and LaBarbera believe that God changes people through Christ -- regardless of the sin.
TheTruth

Ford City, PA

#2 Oct 24, 2009
I forgot to credit the source:

Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 5/14/2009 6:30:00 AM
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#3 Oct 24, 2009
Finally someone gives good evidence against the bogus claim. Thank you TheTruth! It is about time to see ones whom claim this nonsense get strong evidence slapped in their ignorant faces.
Jacob

Manchester, KY

#4 Oct 24, 2009
Slightly biased source. Eh?

What's your point anyway? This is still stating that genealogy still plays a role.
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#5 Oct 25, 2009
You must not read well. "no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors." Though they cannot deny the gay gene theory, they sure cannot confirm it either. In lamens terms, it has all been propaganda to support a cause that many are against.

Biased? Biased to what? Or are you just biased toward homosexuality and in denial that the "gay gene" theory is wrong?
Jacob

Manchester, KY

#6 Oct 25, 2009
It is a biased source, a christian site.

I know that there is no confirming evidence, but why does it matter either way?
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#7 Oct 25, 2009
True Christianity is for the truth and only the truth, which homosexality is a sin and God has forbidden it. Therefore the result is, with biblical backing, no one is born gay. That theory is wrong. God would not make someone gay when he is against it.

As for biased perspectives, that claim goes 2 ways. You claim Christians are biased because they are against homosexuality. I disagree with that particular thought because truth is not biased. But going on your claim, anyone for homosexuality is biased for homosexuals.
wondering

Brunswick, OH

#8 Oct 25, 2009
oldbob wrote:
True Christianity is for the truth and only the truth, which homosexality is a sin and God has forbidden it. Therefore the result is, with biblical backing, no one is born gay. That theory is wrong. God would not make someone gay when he is against it.
As for biased perspectives, that claim goes 2 ways. You claim Christians are biased because they are against homosexuality. I disagree with that particular thought because truth is not biased. But going on your claim, anyone for homosexuality is biased for homosexuals.
I went back and read some of the research. True there is no one gene however, there is substantial evidence that indicates (not proves) that a combination of genes could cause the characteristics of homosexuality. There is also the possibility that an imbalance of the correct hormones by the mother during critical times during gestation could be a factor. This scientific research into the source or sources of sexual behavior is still very young in comparison to other areas of genetics as well as behavior. We need to wait for more valid scientific research.
shame shame

Irvine, KY

#9 Oct 25, 2009
I HAVE HEARD IT ALL!!!!YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK QUEERS ARE OK ARE JUST AS NUTTY As THEY ARE.SHAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Achtung

Manchester, KY

#10 Oct 25, 2009
While there is not a "gay gene" there, perhaps, is a genetic susceptibility to antiandrogens in our environment. Antiandrogens are pollutants resulting from our modern lifestyle and contaminants in drinking water. The decline in sperm count in industrialized countries (50% in the last 50 years!), the femenization of culture, the sharp rise in homosexuals and the presence of antiandrogens all coincide neatly. Even so, homosexuality isnt something your born with, its not a lifestyle, its the product of being poisoned.
Jacob

Lexington, KY

#11 Oct 25, 2009
oldbob wrote:
True Christianity is for the truth and only the truth, which homosexality is a sin and God has forbidden it. Therefore the result is, with biblical backing, no one is born gay. That theory is wrong. God would not make someone gay when he is against it.
As for biased perspectives, that claim goes 2 ways. You claim Christians are biased because they are against homosexuality. I disagree with that particular thought because truth is not biased. But going on your claim, anyone for homosexuality is biased for homosexuals.
You have your beliefs, others have different. I'm saying that this is a biased source because it is christian, and true christians are against homosexuality.

BUT, i also agree that a source from people supporting it would also be biased.

Unbiased research i have read does state that there is not enough evidence to support a gay gene, but that genes are probably a factor, however small a factor it may be.

See, you may think homosexuality is wrong, and in your religion, it is. But all of the gay people i have asked say that they can not change.

It's like, say, straight people. A straight person cannot simply choose to be with one of the same sex. It's, well, gross to us. But the same logic applies, in reverse, to those that are gay.
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#12 Oct 25, 2009
Jacob wrote:
<quoted text>
You have your beliefs, others have different. I'm saying that this is a biased source because it is christian, and true christians are against homosexuality.
BUT, i also agree that a source from people supporting it would also be biased.
Unbiased research i have read does state that there is not enough evidence to support a gay gene, but that genes are probably a factor, however small a factor it may be.
See, you may think homosexuality is wrong, and in your religion, it is. But all of the gay people i have asked say that they can not change.
It's like, say, straight people. A straight person cannot simply choose to be with one of the same sex. It's, well, gross to us. But the same logic applies, in reverse, to those that are gay.
God clearly states to avoid any type of fornications. This includes premarrital, adultery, homosexuality, beastiality, masturbations and anything else that exists. Even one does have "gay feeling", they are commanded not to act upon them. Also, God does not make anyone gay. Being "born gay" would defy that claim. Anyone who claims to be born gay is wrong, it is that simple.

Truth is not biased.
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#13 Oct 25, 2009
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>I went back and read some of the research. True there is no one gene however, there is substantial evidence that indicates (not proves) that a combination of genes could cause the characteristics of homosexuality. There is also the possibility that an imbalance of the correct hormones by the mother during critical times during gestation could be a factor. This scientific research into the source or sources of sexual behavior is still very young in comparison to other areas of genetics as well as behavior. We need to wait for more valid scientific research.
Though science can show some valid evidence and have found proof of things, scientists are under pressure by governments to not offend people, be politically correct and all that stuff. So most scientists are searching for evidence to support their theory. They are not reaching out to disprove. Those that are trying to find evidence against certain scientific researches that favor religion are often ridiculed and are called biased. However it seems the other side is more biased and seem to be more misleading.

Homosexulaity is wrong. God commands this, there is no debating. What these scientists need to do is go with what god has told us and then figure out where their flaws are. They will find the truth if they truly seek it. Most are more concerned with modernism, political correctness, government pressures, and all this other nonsense that is the leading cause of people being lead astray.
Dumb Dan

Manchester, KY

#14 Oct 26, 2009
Right , wrong,pretty , ugly? The Roman Empire - The citizens of Rome became rich and bored with life and began looking for thrills. They forced slaves to fight to the death with crowds cheering in the stands . The citizens demanded more thrills , Humans were pited against wild beast to see how long they could last in front of cheering citizens. Drunk and physical orgies became common. in the ruling famly brothers married sisters and produced children . Men were laying with men. Historians agree all the corupton led to the fall of the great Roman empire. Anything we do contary to natures way of survival can be dangerous to the human race. History does not repeat itself but same actons can and do lead to the same results.
wondering

Aberdeen, OH

#15 Oct 26, 2009
oldbob wrote:
<quoted text>
God clearly states to avoid any type of fornications. This includes premarrital, adultery, homosexuality, beastiality, masturbations and anything else that exists. Even one does have "gay feeling", they are commanded not to act upon them. Also, God does not make anyone gay. Being "born gay" would defy that claim. Anyone who claims to be born gay is wrong, it is that simple.
Truth is not biased.
God does not make people people gay. You are correct. However, God is not the source from which people are born with disabilities either such as Tourettes, Downe Syndrome ect. That is what satan likes to do. When Adam and Eve took that bite they destroyed perfection and allowed satan control. Imperfection even touches on all physical aspects of development.
wondering

Aberdeen, OH

#16 Oct 26, 2009
The hippocampus sp? has a lot to do with our sexuality. Maybe if it's not a gene perhaps homosexuality is a product of abnormal structure of this part of the brain.
wondering

Aberdeen, OH

#18 Oct 26, 2009
October 26, 2008 11:38pm

THE nature versus nurture debate rages on but a new study of transsexuals has shown genetics plays a key role in determining our sense of gender.
In the largest genetic study of its kind, 112 male-to-female transsexuals took part in a study involving several Melbourne research bodies and the University of California, Los Angeles.

Researchers measured the variation in the androgen receptor gene, which is involved in the functioning of the sex hormone testosterone.

DNA samples from the transsexuals were compared with the samples from 250 typical men.

Researchers discovered the transsexuals were more likely than non-transsexuals to have a longer form of the gene.

"We think these genetic differences might reduce testosterone action and under-masculinise the brain during foetal development," Prince Henry's Institute researcher Lauren Hare said.

Lead researcher, Associate Professor Vincent Harley, head of molecular genetics at Prince Henry's Institute, said there had long been debate about the causes of transsexuality.

"There is a social stigma that transsexualism is simply a lifestyle choice. However, our findings support a biological basis of how gender identity develops," he said.

He said researchers were recruiting transsexual people for another study and hoped to double the sample size and examine other genes.

Assoc Prof Harley said it was important to replicate the findings in other populations.

Researcher Trudy Kennedy, director of the Monash Gender Dysphoria Clinic, said the study supported other evidence that genetics and brain gender were important in transsexuality.

"This is something that people are born with and it's certainly not a lifestyle choice as some have suggested," she said.

Julie Peters, a transgender person, said she knew from as young as three or four years old she did not fit into being a boy.

"I have always had the personality of a girl, I suppose is the way I perceive it and even from a very young age, three or four, I was really mad at people for making me a boy," she said.

"I personally think it (gender) is a combination of both (nature and nurture).

"You are born with a predisposition to have a certain personality and then depending on the culture you are brought up in your personal situation it becomes active in a particular way."

The study research was jointly funded by the National Health and Medical Research Council and the US National Institutes of Health.( I found this article at Fox News on line. I believe it was under sci/tech) I realize that transgender and homosexuality are different. I just find it interesting that they actually found a gene for transgender.


shame shame

Irvine, KY

#19 Oct 26, 2009
like I say , their crazy in the head . either way you want to put it . THEY ARE NUTS
wondering

Aberdeen, OH

#20 Oct 26, 2009
shame shame wrote:
like I say , their crazy in the head . either way you want to put it . THEY ARE NUTS
Who is supposed to be nuts. Those of us who are talking about this and wondering if it's caused by a gene? What's supposed to be nuts about that? In the past people thought that anyone having a seizure was demon possessed. So, anyone having seizures were put to death. Satan causes the flaw whether it's due to a physical difference i.e. gene, physical abuse or other. So "shame shame" on you for wanting to stay so ignorant. No one here is advocating any lifestyle.
oldbob

Ford City, PA

#21 Oct 27, 2009
Like I said, to be born gay would mean god made people gay. Since God is all mighty and all knowing, he has declared homosexuality an abomonation (Leviticus 20:13), a sin. Therefore God would not make someone homosexual. No one is born gay. Science may suggest it, they are wrong and do not know as much as they think.

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