50 old farts stopped progress in Esti...

50 old farts stopped progress in Estill County

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huh

Somerset, KY

#1 Mar 5, 2013
I know the vote is over. But 50 people are keeping this county in the Dark Ages. A shame. Wake up, cave men. Get into the 21st century.
out of towner

London, KY

#2 Mar 5, 2013
No 51 of the drinkers that were to sorry to vote kept the county dry
Hoot-Hoot

Irvine, KY

#3 Mar 5, 2013
huh wrote:
I know the vote is over. But 50 people are keeping this county in the Dark Ages. A shame. Wake up, cave men. Get into the 21st century.
Yeah the vote is over, so stop whining about it.

Since: Jan 13

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#4 Mar 5, 2013
Yes yes the Churches got their way once again of standing in the way of progress and interfering in your private life under the color of the law. No sense in reminding us just how close we came to joining the 21st century.. Just gotta do better next time.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#5 Mar 5, 2013
Time for the people who want it wet to join up and help! Where were the huge political donations to the Wet campaign? Where were the hundreds of signs from day one? Where were the boots on the ground? They weren't there. There was support for the wet vote, and probably a lot more than majority support. But when the campaign only has half a dozen people putting in the real man hours to get it done, it makes it that much harder.

I know everyone is busy, and has lives and important things to do. But if you want the county to be wet, you need to do a lot more than vote. Give a few bucks to the campaign--five or ten to pay for a couple yard signs for people who can't afford them. Give your family members a ride out to the polls so that they can have their voice heard. Make your spouse breakfast and coffee so they have more free time to vote the next time the election day rolls around.

I looked at the Facebook page and the Wet group seems to be rarin' to go for another shot at it. It won't be county-wide, but a city-wide vote for Irvine only would almost definitely pass. But if people don't do their part, it never will.

Yes, it sucks having to go through all the trouble to be political and make a difference. But just think of what those few hours of your time could transform to if the bootleggers are off the streets, the drunks are off of Richmond road, and the booze is out of the hands of kids and locked up in responsible owners' shops where it belongs.

Since: Jan 13

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#6 Mar 6, 2013
No this is not a politically correct statement but nonetheless the truth. Stop smooching up to the churches and treating them with the respect they refuse to show you and only go after the goal. This past campaign contained too many attempts to "not offend" the churches. Sometimes you have to offend and sometimes you have to be down right mean but if you honestly believe that the goal is bigger than yourself and worth the effort then it would be foolish to put in the effort not going full steam ahead.
Alcoholics Unite

Eubank, KY

#7 Mar 6, 2013
& fight fight fight! Let's all pitch in and paint our signs down at our next AA meeting.

There's a PEP meeting down at the high school where you could make a difference in a teens life! They're looking for speakers on how drugs and alcohol have ruined peoples lives.

Has (M)others (A)gainst (D)runk (D)riving got some stories for you!

How many churches are down town just waiting and planning for this next vote? You really think there's more of you than there is of them, they'll really organize this time, you'd have a better chance making it wet a little closer to Madison, cause it aint happening in Irvine.

one correction, thats 50 old farts + Virg = 51

Since: Jan 13

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#8 Mar 6, 2013
Alcoholics Unite wrote:
& fight fight fight! Let's all pitch in and paint our signs down at our next AA meeting.
There's a PEP meeting down at the high school where you could make a difference in a teens life! They're looking for speakers on how drugs and alcohol have ruined peoples lives.
Has (M)others (A)gainst (D)runk (D)riving got some stories for you!
How many churches are down town just waiting and planning for this next vote? You really think there's more of you than there is of them, they'll really organize this time, you'd have a better chance making it wet a little closer to Madison, cause it aint happening in Irvine.
one correction, thats 50 old farts + Virg = 51
Ahhhh yes another sucker that blames a substance for the woes of others. Always gotta have a scape goat because you nor others have the guts to look at yourself in the mirror and blame yourself or blame other people for the wrong that they do. Always gotta be the fault of a substance or an object. Pathetic really. I mean meth is illegal but its still a problem, alcohol sales is illegal yet we still have DUI issues, prescription drug abuse is illegal yet we are in a pill head epidemic.. Yeah hey how about dealing with the PEOPLE with the problems instead of pretending you can always blame substances. Maybe we worry more about bringing growth into this county instead of worrying about what someone is picking up to buy in their grocery store.
Alcoholics Unite

Eubank, KY

#9 Mar 6, 2013
Alcohol kills brain cells, didn't you ever see that egg in the frying pan? "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs" Stop the drugs Virg, you're going crazy, sizzle sizzle. Churches unite! Don't let the crazies win. Virg is their spokesperson! Save yourselves!
gihhid

Rochester, PA

#10 Mar 6, 2013
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Price is right 50 old farts,,I hope tey stinkin thick

Since: Jan 13

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#11 Mar 6, 2013
Alcoholics Unite wrote:
Alcohol kills brain cells, didn't you ever see that egg in the frying pan? "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs" Stop the drugs Virg, you're going crazy, sizzle sizzle. Churches unite! Don't let the crazies win. Virg is their spokesperson! Save yourselves!
Actually too much alcohol kills brain cells. Not purchasing alcohol or even enjoying alcohol in moderation. But once again you know this but choose to use fear mongering language to attempt to subvert the truth. That's ok that is your opinion and you are right to have your opinion.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#12 Mar 6, 2013
Alcoholics Unite wrote:
& fight fight fight! Let's all pitch in and paint our signs down at our next AA meeting.
There's a PEP meeting down at the high school where you could make a difference in a teens life! They're looking for speakers on how drugs and alcohol have ruined peoples lives.
Has (M)others (A)gainst (D)runk (D)riving got some stories for you!
How many churches are down town just waiting and planning for this next vote? You really think there's more of you than there is of them, they'll really organize this time, you'd have a better chance making it wet a little closer to Madison, cause it aint happening in Irvine.
one correction, thats 50 old farts + Virg = 51
Actually the hundreds (thousands?) of dollars in tax-free campaign contributions from churches decided the last election. The fact that many churches took money from people who were divided on the issue and used it specifically to support one side decided the election. Now that the Wet side knows how far the Dry side is willing to go to win regardless of the harm they actually do, they are going to have to work harder to make the wet vote pass.

Although if the vote were in Irvine alone it wouldn't have been a problem and would have easily gone wet. So when the city vote happens those churches are going to have to work twice as hard and misappropriate twice as much money to win.
did u

Irvine, KY

#13 Mar 6, 2013
know Richmond failed the first time and it was not as close as ours? Put some stipulations on it rather than county wide and it will pass.....

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#14 Mar 6, 2013
did u wrote:
know Richmond failed the first time and it was not as close as ours? Put some stipulations on it rather than county wide and it will pass.....
Definitely. The opposition has said time and time again essentially "there was a vote and it just barely went in our way, so we are against any vote in the future even if it is what the people want." The pendulum swung in their direction ever so slightly, so they are ready to close up shop and stop any right to a discussion--a tactic I see liberals often use but am saddened to see Estill Countians stoop to. Hopefully the city vote will come soon.

Since: Jan 13

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#15 Mar 6, 2013
Kick Brass wrote:
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Definitely. The opposition has said time and time again essentially "there was a vote and it just barely went in our way, so we are against any vote in the future even if it is what the people want." The pendulum swung in their direction ever so slightly, so they are ready to close up shop and stop any right to a discussion--a tactic I see liberals often use but am saddened to see Estill Countians stoop to. Hopefully the city vote will come soon.
Why should there be stipulations? Why can't we let free market capitalism decide what is around here and what does not make money and leaves rather than allowing people to subvert personal choices via the "democratic" voting system?
Always Crying

Eubank, KY

#16 Mar 6, 2013
Kick Brass wrote:
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Actually the hundreds (thousands?) of dollars in tax-free campaign contributions from churches decided the last election. The fact that many churches took money from people who were divided on the issue and used it specifically to support one side decided the election. Now that the Wet side knows how far the Dry side is willing to go to win regardless of the harm they actually do, they are going to have to work harder to make the wet vote pass.
Although if the vote were in Irvine alone it wouldn't have been a problem and would have easily gone wet. So when the city vote happens those churches are going to have to work twice as hard and misappropriate twice as much money to win.
If you're going to play with the big boys you're going to have to get off the porch! You said yourself that your side didn't get out and knock on doors, I live in Irvine and NOBODY knocked on mine. Signs don't cost nothing, you can make your own. I seen a lot of home made signs from the other side. Truth about it is, your side is ashamed to let people know who you are. Face it! You're always griping about something. Stop complaining that somebody put more money up than you did, put your money where your big mouth is ole boy. I doubt you even live in Irvine, as a matter of fact I think it's more like the county, so how bout you work to make the county wet, what are you worried about the city for? Not in my back yard huh? And old Virg lives in the other twin City don't he? Neither one of you ought not to even get to vote on something where it aint on your corner and don't affect you and your kids dont have to see it. Don't a bar have to be in so many feet away from a church or a school? Where would they put it, Brainiac? Not a lot of parking for a bar in the middle of town or much of a place for a drive through.
cell phone

Irvine, KY

#17 Mar 6, 2013
The Virg wrote:
<quoted text> Why should there be stipulations? Why can't we let free market capitalism decide what is around here and what does not make money and leaves rather than allowing people to subvert personal choices via the "democratic" voting system?
Whether you choose to accept it or not, there are people in this town, not your town, not my town or brass's town but "our" town that do not want alcohol sold here. If you want to live where it is readily available pack your sponge bob back pack and roll on down 52. The things you all keep forgetting is that this is an overwhelmingly conservative christian town, it is what is. Should it be wet? I don't see why not, we are not in the years of prohibition. On the same hand how many people would ban together to legalize marijuana? Oh we can't do that, that is a drug! The same way you all feel about marijuana is how all the older people feel about alcohol that's why it will never happen. Good luck!
listen

Irvine, KY

#18 Mar 6, 2013
I don't want a beer/liquer drive-thru on every corner of this county. I am smart enough to know we don't have the Law enforcement to patrol that. Keep it within city limits so it can be monitored alot better then spread out all over the county. If they choose to drive drunk for their refills then they deserve to be caught. I also don't want Bars. I could handle an Applebees type but I'm not into the Maverick type. If it had stipulations like that then I think it would pass flying colors. It doesn't have to stay just within city how about the West Irvine area too. If you kept the sales more confined like that then I believe the Law could handle it better. and it would be enough to rid the black Market. Nothing wrong with a controlled Alcohol Sale, and revenue from the sale and opening up opportunity for growth. What is wrong with any of that?
listen

Irvine, KY

#19 Mar 6, 2013
In the eyes of our Good ole USA, Alcohol is LEGAL, unlike MARIJUANA which is ILLEGAL. Why would someone want a drunk on the road longer then he need be? If they want it they're going to get it. 50 votes is very close and as soon as they get some stipulations IT WILL PASS. TIME TO COME OUT OF PROHIBITION TIMES. UNLESS YOU SUPPORT THE BLACK MARKET....
agree

Eubank, KY

#20 Mar 6, 2013
But votes should not be taken personal, especially to the point of slander. The fact that churches voted against sales had nothing to do with conspiracies against their liberties. They should not be shocked, it was a failure on their part, not the churches. They were ashamed to put their faces with their own cause. Nobody that I seen knocked on doors, no home made signs, just anonymous topix or a site out there somewhere referred to you by faceless people. The face of their organization ended up being and still is Virg. He's still writing articles in the paper and picking up random followers on here like Kick Brass, then they want to cry foul when the other side does it right.

Everybody gets a vote, and just as you laid out your stipulations to vote yes, everybody should get the same respect.

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