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RM-AP

United States

#1 Apr 5, 2011
AP, April 4, 2010: After much pressure from senior citizen groups the Obama Administration is making deals with fast food franchises to accept food stamps for prepared meals. The negotiations determine nutritional characteristics of items, quantity limitations and financial stipulations apply. The program is currently being tested in several US cities. EBT users who have opted into the program in the alpha test have reported positive outcomes so far.
stupid people

Irvine, KY

#2 Apr 5, 2011
RM-AP wrote:
AP, April 4, 2010: After much pressure from senior citizen groups the Obama Administration is making deals with fast food franchises to accept food stamps for prepared meals. The negotiations determine nutritional characteristics of items, quantity limitations and financial stipulations apply. The program is currently being tested in several US cities. EBT users who have opted into the program in the alpha test have reported positive outcomes so far.
you are so stupid
Spotter

Irvine, KY

#3 Apr 5, 2011
RM-AP wrote:
AP, April 4, 2010: After much pressure from senior citizen groups the Obama Administration is making deals with fast food franchises to accept food stamps for prepared meals. The negotiations determine nutritional characteristics of items, quantity limitations and financial stipulations apply. The program is currently being tested in several US cities. EBT users who have opted into the program in the alpha test have reported positive outcomes so far.
I do not get food stamps, but I think it would be a good thing for those less fortunate. Everyone enjoys meals out sometimes.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

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#4 Apr 5, 2011
Spotter wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not get food stamps, but I think it would be a good thing for those less fortunate. Everyone enjoys meals out sometimes.
If it is taxable, it shouldn't be allowed to be bought with food stamps. 34% of Irvine citizens are on public food assistance and we all know that nowhere near that number are in actual need.

Charity is not designed to create comfort. It is designed to facilitate survival. Discomfort is often a very effective form of motivation, and by removing that from the equation we encourage further abuse of a system originally intended to keep children and disabled individuals from starving to death.

Since: Jan 11

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#5 Apr 5, 2011
WE must feed and dress the less fortunate people that cannot survive without it.IN saying this i also wonder,WHERE IN THE HELL IS FAMILY,OR YOUR BROTHERLY NEIGHBOR,what is wrong with this picture,i got one, no respect installed in child rearing.THE FUTURE WILL SURELY SUCK .WHAT happened to granny baking a pie for the needy. I do think a voucher for a night out in the program would make somebodys day,while keeping things simple.
listen to me

Zoe, KY

#6 Apr 5, 2011
Foodstamps have helped a lot of families this year who found themselves in a situation not of their own making. They are a wonderful tool, if used correctly.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#7 Apr 5, 2011
The problem is all the abuses in the system. The food stamp program has the ability to be really helpful. But I've seen it abused so badly, even by relatives in the past. It just sucks to know that some people are being turned away, or getting a smaller portion, because of people who *could* work, but *won't* work.

I agree with Sniper about the lack of the public coming out to give generously. My grandma would feed her neighbors if it meant she went hungry, if given the choice. At the same time, if you came up to her with your hand out and looked fit and able to work, and she had work that needed done, she'd put you to work. You'd get paid, you'd get a good meal, and you'd get a lesson in hard work at the same time.

With as many people as Irvine has on welfare, programs should be designed to help people get out of the system. The elderly and sick, and the children of circumstance should have the chance to have fun and have a good, warm meal to break up the monotony. But a fully able-bodied person who simply refuses to look for work? I have a problem with that person eating at McDonalds on my dime.

Perhaps there should be some sort of re-classification of the system instead? Some scrutiny to determine which groups are the most likely to be on assistance through no fault of their own? Maybe have a Senior Citizens night at local restaurants where Seniors are able to use their EBT card. Maybe an event where children whose parents are on assistance get taken to a group event with other needy kids to a restaurant and movie, or to the planetarium.

But for the "lifers"--those who have set a goal of staying on public assistance forever--my suggestion is discomfort. Reduce the amount of free money they get. Make them uncomfortable. Give them the chance to realize, "I barely have enough to eat right now, but if I go get off my butt, I can eat like a king!"

Or we could even give extra incentives--some kind of "matching" program that allows those on assistance to keep part of their welfare benefits while starting a job for the first few months. That way even a minimum wage job would seem like more of a benefit than letting the government babysit people.

We've got to start looking at this situation seriously. We can talk about generosity all we want but it's just too darn expensive at this point. We either need to start figuring out who does and does not qualify is "unable to provide for themselves through no fault of their own," or our economy will tank and we'll all be starving to death. Happened with Russia, and will happen to us as well if we keep letting the government feed one half of the population by draining the money from the other half.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#8 Apr 5, 2011
sniper123 wrote:
WE must feed and dress the less fortunate people that cannot survive without it.
This is key. Our system sucks as it is right now. It's too hard for us to figure out who can't survive, and who can. I think we should start being more creative at finding ways to determine who is and isn't actually "needy" so that we can afford to take care of those who are truly in need.

“I AM OPINIONATED”

Since: Feb 09

Sittin on the Dock of the Bay

#9 Apr 5, 2011
First thing to be pointed out is that some people getting assistance have paid in more and worked more than people give credit for.

Lets take care that we are not criticizing someone that has labored far harder and deserves benefits more than the pittance we have given.

I am saying this directed to myself as much as anyone. Odds are I will never draw back as much as I paid in but I do know some people have paid more.

There are people that have worked hard, paid the required amounts faithfully and due to the economic circumstances which are beyond their control they now need assistance.

We are not privileged to all information about everyone and should never take a scattergun approach to accusations.

IMHO only

“Loving every minute...”

Since: Mar 11

Somewhere "over yonder"

#10 Apr 6, 2011
Kick Brass wrote:
The problem is all the abuses in the system. The food stamp program has the ability to be really helpful. But I've seen it abused so badly, even by relatives in the past. It just sucks to know that some people are being turned away, or getting a smaller portion, because of people who *could* work, but *won't* work.
I agree with Sniper about the lack of the public coming out to give generously. My grandma would feed her neighbors if it meant she went hungry, if given the choice. At the same time, if you came up to her with your hand out and looked fit and able to work, and she had work that needed done, she'd put you to work. You'd get paid, you'd get a good meal, and you'd get a lesson in hard work at the same time.
Your grandma sounds like a really great lady. Smart, too.
go for it

Irvine, KY

#11 Apr 6, 2011
I dont believe it

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#12 Apr 6, 2011
-SiDeWiNder- wrote:
First thing to be pointed out is that some people getting assistance have paid in more and worked more than people give credit for.
Lets take care that we are not criticizing someone that has labored far harder and deserves benefits more than the pittance we have given.
I am saying this directed to myself as much as anyone. Odds are I will never draw back as much as I paid in but I do know some people have paid more.
There are people that have worked hard, paid the required amounts faithfully and due to the economic circumstances which are beyond their control they now need assistance.
We are not privileged to all information about everyone and should never take a scattergun approach to accusations.
IMHO only
That's why we need more scrutiny. I know people personally who have abused the system; was even related to some at one point. If we filter out those who obviously do not need assistance, then we will have fewer to care for, and can give better quality service to those who remain.

Keep in mind that you aren't exactly someone who has intentionally sat on his butt for the last thirty years or so. You've worked, have callouses on your hands from manual labor and have exercised your mind as well. So now that you are at a later point in your life (yes, I know you feel like a teenager but your driver's license says otherwise), there are some things that you've paid into that you are now able to gain the benefit from.

I see a very large difference between disability compensation, unemployment insurance, and just plain food stamps. The first two imply that either you used to work or would work if you could. The third is a mix, however. Yes there are people who abuse the disability or unemployment systems, but the abuses of the food stamp system seem much more extreme. There are people who really need this money, and there are many who abuse the system that don't even need the assistance to begin with.

To be honest I would love to be able to help everyone. I'd love to be able to give money to all the starving kids in every country, to give them employment and homes. But we are 14 TRILLION dollars in debt. We can't afford to pay for the needy, much less the greedy. The only way we can survive is if we 1: follow Sniper's suggestion and start helping out of the goodness of our hearts, and 2: figuring out who is and isn't actually needy so that exploiters don't take the money needed by others.

Fast food for food stamps seems to be a problem mostly because of the cost. You go to Mcdonalds, get a couple value meals for yourself and your spouse, and get your kids a happy meal each, and suddenly you're out $20. You could cook your family a steak dinner with that, or two or three pretty healthy dinners. If the state is short on money (as the entire country is), we should focus on making it easy for individuals on welfare to make good decisions and discourage decisions that will not give as much "bang for the buck" nutrition-wise.

“I AM OPINIONATED”

Since: Feb 09

Sittin on the Dock of the Bay

#13 Apr 6, 2011
Kick Brass wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why we need more scrutiny. I know people personally who have abused the system; was even related to some at one point. If we filter out those who obviously do not need assistance, then we will have fewer to care for, and can give better quality service to those who remain.
Keep in mind that you aren't exactly someone who has intentionally sat on his butt for the last thirty years or so. You've worked, have callouses on your hands from manual labor and have exercised your mind as well. So now that you are at a later point in your life (yes, I know you feel like a teenager but your driver's license says otherwise), there are some things that you've paid into that you are now able to gain the benefit from.
I see a very large difference between disability compensation, unemployment insurance, and just plain food stamps. The first two imply that either you used to work or would work if you could. The third is a mix, however. Yes there are people who abuse the disability or unemployment systems, but the abuses of the food stamp system seem much more extreme. There are people who really need this money, and there are many who abuse the system that don't even need the assistance to begin with.
To be honest I would love to be able to help everyone. I'd love to be able to give money to all the starving kids in every country, to give them employment and homes. But we are 14 TRILLION dollars in debt. We can't afford to pay for the needy, much less the greedy. The only way we can survive is if we 1: follow Sniper's suggestion and start helping out of the goodness of our hearts, and 2: figuring out who is and isn't actually needy so that exploiters don't take the money needed by others.
Fast food for food stamps seems to be a problem mostly because of the cost. You go to Mcdonalds, get a couple value meals for yourself and your spouse, and get your kids a happy meal each, and suddenly you're out $20. You could cook your family a steak dinner with that, or two or three pretty healthy dinners. If the state is short on money (as the entire country is), we should focus on making it easy for individuals on welfare to make good decisions and discourage decisions that will not give as much "bang for the buck" nutrition-wise.
No argument to be found in your statements at all, however I do have more of a problem with career politicians that allow the abuse to continue.

We should not be debating this issue, we should be preparing our votes to remove from office the ones that allow it to continue.

This thread is devoted to a program that addresses a need of those already in either an elderly or disabled condition that it would benefit if they had access to prepared meals on an approved schedule. Most of the people this is aimed at are not even being included (as possible targets) in even entitlement adjustments.

I can clearly see this as a need that could be relieved without undue abuse creeping in.

It is about time we started voicing our opinions and voting accordingly instead of sitting idle as spectators while Trillions of dollars are being squandered by those that evidently have no clue how a budget by definition must work.

Don't blame the recipients instead blame the wasteful controllers of the nations billfold.

I like the new drastic proposal to force a balanced budget and start paying off the nations debts within next 10 to 20 years myself. It's time to start seeing things with a real focus, not political fantasies.
Well

London, KY

#14 Apr 6, 2011
First and foremost what's wrong with reporting these people that you "know" are abusing these said systems? I hear it all the time, about how this person & that person is doing wrong. Yet not one person stands up & does something about it. I question that more than the system itself. There's more people in need than most come to "ever" understand. I myself not only believe, but have come to know...we need more people to stand up in a public place & speak their mind. By public place I mean where they can be heard, not read of on here. Want to make a difference, wake in the morning, look in the mirror... & drop by for a visit to the courthouse steps & speak what you're thinking. If you "REALLY" want to make a difference, do it daily! Just my honest opinion.
i know you

Lexington, KY

#15 Apr 6, 2011
go for it wrote:
I dont believe it
when i drive by dont brother with the hand wave.
just me

Irvine, KY

#17 Apr 7, 2011
Well wrote:
First and foremost what's wrong with reporting these people that you "know" are abusing these said systems? I hear it all the time, about how this person & that person is doing wrong. Yet not one person stands up & does something about it. I question that more than the system itself. There's more people in need than most come to "ever" understand. I myself not only believe, but have come to know...we need more people to stand up in a public place & speak their mind. By public place I mean where they can be heard, not read of on here. Want to make a difference, wake in the morning, look in the mirror... & drop by for a visit to the courthouse steps & speak what you're thinking. If you "REALLY" want to make a difference, do it daily! Just my honest opinion.
I've reported someone to the food stamp office because she was taking her card to Stop & Shop and a lady there rung it up like she bought a bunch of food and then they split the cash so that she could drop her baby off on anyone who would take him and go get high with her sorry ass friends and do you know what the food stamp office did? NOTHING!
for da peeps

Vicco, KY

#18 Apr 14, 2011
Spotter wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not get food stamps, but I think it would be a good thing for those less fortunate. Everyone enjoys meals out sometimes.
I think it is wrong, just making it too easy on the lazy people. I know not all people on assistance are abusing it , they need it , fine, but so many do abuse it and waste it, for what it would cost to take all the kids to mc donalds for a nite, they could have 2 or 3 meals at home, I saw Easter baskets in Save a lot with food stamp eligable stickers on them, it was'nt food it was trinket toys, comeON:::::, this country is just gettin more and more skrewed up everyday. these sorry young mothers need to cook meals for their kids and be thankful they even get that, the world don't owe me a damn thing, I don't use other peoples money to feed my family, if you can't feed them , quit having them. who the hell came up with this crap. next the takers will want gas cards.
Somebodynew

Somerset, KY

#19 Apr 15, 2011
Kick Brass wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why we need more scrutiny. I know people personally who have abused the system; was even related to some at one point. If we filter out those who obviously do not need assistance, then we will have fewer to care for, and can give better quality service to those who remain.
Keep in mind that you aren't exactly someone who has intentionally sat on his butt for the last thirty years or so. You've worked, have callouses on your hands from manual labor and have exercised your mind as well. So now that you are at a later point in your life (yes, I know you feel like a teenager but your driver's license says otherwise), there are some things that you've paid into that you are now able to gain the benefit from.
I see a very large difference between disability compensation, unemployment insurance, and just plain food stamps. The first two imply that either you used to work or would work if you could. The third is a mix, however. Yes there are people who abuse the disability or unemployment systems, but the abuses of the food stamp system seem much more extreme. There are people who really need this money, and there are many who abuse the system that don't even need the assistance to begin with.
To be honest I would love to be able to help everyone. I'd love to be able to give money to all the starving kids in every country, to give them employment and homes. But we are 14 TRILLION dollars in debt. We can't afford to pay for the needy, much less the greedy. The only way we can survive is if we 1: follow Sniper's suggestion and start helping out of the goodness of our hearts, and 2: figuring out who is and isn't actually needy so that exploiters don't take the money needed by others.
Fast food for food stamps seems to be a problem mostly because of the cost. You go to Mcdonalds, get a couple value meals for yourself and your spouse, and get your kids a happy meal each, and suddenly you're out $20. You could cook your family a steak dinner with that, or two or three pretty healthy dinners. If the state is short on money (as the entire country is), we should focus on making it easy for individuals on welfare to make good decisions and discourage decisions that will not give as much "bang for the buck" nutrition-wise.
I am so very disappointed in you. If Social Work was your interest then you should have gone into that field. If economics on a grand scale is what floats your boat, mayhaps a career in managing Group Homes. What is your point? When does mild concern for strangers turn into meddling and critiquing peoples lives right down to the food they eat or the way they get it? Strangers do not have to earn your respect or approval. The 'high and mighty are the easiest humbled'. Stop it, you're like the rest of us,'fragile' and your life could change in a moment. Somebodies always holding kryptonite. lol

“I been hangin' on every word.”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#20 Apr 15, 2011
Somebodynew wrote:
<quoted text>
When does mild concern for strangers turn into meddling and critiquing peoples lives right down to the food they eat or the way they get it?
You are disappointed in me for wanting to have a voice here? I have been a hard worker all my life and don't ask for anything else. I want to be able to feed myself and my family and occasionally have enough left over to buy something nice if I've earned it. Yet the abusers of the system have become so many that it is necessary to tax me and any other "producer of wealth" for being successful.

And the sad thing is, I don't even make a lot of money. Yet the little I do make is taxed to no end. I have no problem helping those who are unable to help themselves. But when someone willingly sits on their behind for decades because they don't feel like working, I have a serious issue putting food on their table before I can put it on mine.

Call it meddling if you want. But we're broke. The United States has no money. If we only paid for the military, social security, government employees and other "required" programs, we would STILL not have a balanced budget, and that is before even a cent of discretionary spending comes into play. At the current rate our entire GDP will go toward paying only the interest payments on the country's debt in the next ten to twenty years. Consider it the equivalent of one of us having a credit card bill that is more than we make in a month--it isn't possible to pay it, ever.

So call me a meddler if you want--SOMEONE needs to freaking meddle at this point. We're in an airplane that's burst into flames and is crashing into the ocean, and the pilot is telling us that if we throw enough gasoline on the fire it's bound to burn itself out eventually.

If you go out and work at a job and make money, then I could care less what you do with it. Crumple your cash into a big ball of paper and burn it in your fireplace--I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But if you take my money and do that then it is most certainly my business.
FYI

Kittanning, PA

#21 Apr 15, 2011
Technically after money is paid in taxes it is no longer your money,although it is money you may have earned it has become our money to help everyone.If it bothers anyone bad enough perhaps they should manage somehow out of the system.

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