NDAA 2012, NDAA 2013 Homegrown Terrorists

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IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#1 Dec 22, 2012
I am calling anyone who believes that I should not be able to enjoy ALL my rights under the US Constitution a Homegrown Terrorist. Therefore I am calling for the immediate charge and arrest of every single House of Representative and every US Senator having voted for the NDAA 2012, NDAA 2013 approving of the indefinate detention language that removes 4th, 5th, 6th amendment rights. You will be detained until a jury of your peers hears all evidence and a ruling is made. I am reccommending 20 years to life for all offenders wishing to plea not guilty and found guilty and reccommending immediate removal from office and a 5 year sentence and a 500,000 dollar fine for all individuals charged who pleas guilty.
hello there

Irvine, KY

#2 Dec 22, 2012
what you should do is wait until the next time someone in your house makes a number 2 then go in the bath room right before they flush and stick your head in the toilet then let them push on the little shiny lever maybe that would clear your head a little, god damn your worse than kick brass, at least he has some logic in his rambling.
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#3 Dec 22, 2012
hello there wrote:
what you should do is wait until the next time someone in your house makes a number 2 then go in the bath room right before they flush and stick your head in the toilet then let them push on the little shiny lever maybe that would clear your head a little, god damn your worse than kick brass, at least he has some logic in his rambling.
Im sorry you do not understand your own Constitutional Freedoms. Have you actually ever read the US Constitution? Or are you one of these creeps who actually believes that the Government is acting in your best interests when they pass laws and regulations? I suggest that instead of toilet humor that you actually fill your brain up with actual intelligence and the truth because when we end up with an Authoritarian/Totalitarian State and you no longer have the right to a lawyer, I do not think that you will be using your toilet humor. You are going to wish you had actually learned what your rights were and learned why so many of our men and women in Uniform have died to protect your rights.
oh yeah

United States

#4 Dec 22, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
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Im sorry you do not understand your own Constitutional Freedoms. Have you actually ever read the US Constitution? Or are you one of these creeps who actually believes that the Government is acting in your best interests when they pass laws and regulations? I suggest that instead of toilet humor that you actually fill your brain up with actual intelligence and the truth because when we end up with an Authoritarian/Totalitarian State and you no longer have the right to a lawyer, I do not think that you will be using your toilet humor. You are going to wish you had actually learned what your rights were and learned why so many of our men and women in Uniform have died to protect your rights.
That was an awesome story could you tell it again
IndividualSovere ignty

Sheridan, AR

#5 Dec 22, 2012
Silence is Consent and the Government knows this so the more you keep quiet or choose to remain ignorant about what they are doing only allows them to continue enslaving you further without ever having to use force against you until you truely have no recourse.
Foolish Sheeples

London, KY

#6 Dec 23, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
Silence is Consent and the Government knows this so the more you keep quiet or choose to remain ignorant about what they are doing only allows them to continue enslaving you further without ever having to use force against you until you truely have no recourse.
You cant tell a bunch of cousin F ckers that their rights are being took untill their cousins start disappearing
yep

Irvine, KY

#7 Dec 29, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
Silence is Consent and the Government knows this so the more you keep quiet or choose to remain ignorant about what they are doing only allows them to continue enslaving you further without ever having to use force against you until you truely have no recourse.
You are enslaved anyway! You have to pay a property tax every year, you never truly own your home, if you go somewhere you must do so at a speed set by the govt, you must wear your seat belt again a law set by the govt, if you are not rich then you have absolutely no voice, you yourself are brainwashed you worry more about someone drawing food stamps then you do about your hometown political figures paying there fair share of taxes. Tell me this, other than expanding the blood vessels in your penis, what has all this rambling on topix done for you? Do you see people lined up at the gate ready to march on in a revolution? Do you think history will be re-written? I can see it now "first there was George Washington, then some years later this dickless shrew Individual Impotency led the next revolution" Grow up, you don't like it, turn in your govt IDs and run off to the middle east, guess what they hate our govt to, hell, maybe you all can sit around the sand box and tell storys of hate to one another, fayg!
Individual Sovereignty

Sheridan, AR

#8 Dec 29, 2012
yep wrote:
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You are enslaved anyway! You have to pay a property tax every year, you never truly own your home, if you go somewhere you must do so at a speed set by the govt, you must wear your seat belt again a law set by the govt, if you are not rich then you have absolutely no voice, you yourself are brainwashed you worry more about someone drawing food stamps then you do about your hometown political figures paying there fair share of taxes. Tell me this, other than expanding the blood vessels in your penis, what has all this rambling on topix done for you? Do you see people lined up at the gate ready to march on in a revolution? Do you think history will be re-written? I can see it now "first there was George Washington, then some years later this dickless shrew Individual Impotency led the next revolution" Grow up, you don't like it, turn in your govt IDs and run off to the middle east, guess what they hate our govt to, hell, maybe you all can sit around the sand box and tell storys of hate to one another, fayg!
The wealthy always have and always will pay the majority of taxes. I am at least a patriot and willing to stand up against government tyranny versus cowering in fear and pledging loyalty to your unconstitutional acting goverment. I see people like you lined up at the SSI office and at your mailbox at the first of the month ready to cash out a check that was supplied by the forceful taking of substance from those actually willing to work for a living. You know what you are? You are those black slaves who would narc on other slaves to their masters for their attempts to escape in hopes of being treated more favorably. You are fool.
Lib

London, KY

#9 Dec 30, 2012
Individual Sovereignty wrote:
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The wealthy always have and always will pay the majority of taxes. I am at least a patriot and willing to stand up against government tyranny versus cowering in fear and pledging loyalty to your unconstitutional acting goverment. I see people like you lined up at the SSI office and at your mailbox at the first of the month ready to cash out a check that was supplied by the forceful taking of substance from those actually willing to work for a living. You know what you are? You are those black slaves who would narc on other slaves to their masters for their attempts to escape in hopes of being treated more favorably. You are fool.
One of the reasons I brought this thread back to the top, is I want to keep reminding people of your 'views'(shall we say).

Let's talk about your concept of the 'Rich' paying more taxes than the 'Working Man'. I think I can enlighten you on your math.

Let's see, we'll keep it REALLY simple:

If taxes for ALL were 10%(let's say)
& the 'Rich Man' make a $1,000 a week, his taxes would be $100.00
BUT the 'Working Man' only makes $100 a week, his taxes are only $10.00

Now...though the 'Rich Man' paid more to the IRS, did he rEAlly give more than the 'Poor Man' did? NO each gave 10% of all they had!
& that would be fair.

BUT...that's NOT the way it's done....& try your best as a 'Working Man' to understand, or buy yourself a lottery ticket.

TODAY the 'Working Man's' effective taxes is 33% while
the 'Rich Man's' effective taxes is 15%, now...who really has more skin in the game?

So you gotta pay 33% taxes while trying to become rich, hum... looks like if the playing field we level, we'd all get there faster.

PS: grow up! It's none of YOUR business where anyONE gets their money, & should you still think it's yours, then throw out here what you make. I thought so.
Individual Sovereignty

London, KY

#10 Dec 30, 2012
Lib wrote:
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One of the reasons I brought this thread back to the top, is I want to keep reminding people of your 'views'(shall we say).
Let's talk about your concept of the 'Rich' paying more taxes than the 'Working Man'. I think I can enlighten you on your math.
Let's see, we'll keep it REALLY simple:
If taxes for ALL were 10%(let's say)
& the 'Rich Man' make a $1,000 a week, his taxes would be $100.00
BUT the 'Working Man' only makes $100 a week, his taxes are only $10.00
Now...though the 'Rich Man' paid more to the IRS, did he rEAlly give more than the 'Poor Man' did? NO each gave 10% of all they had!
& that would be fair.
BUT...that's NOT the way it's done....& try your best as a 'Working Man' to understand, or buy yourself a lottery ticket.
TODAY the 'Working Man's' effective taxes is 33% while
the 'Rich Man's' effective taxes is 15%, now...who really has more skin in the game?
So you gotta pay 33% taxes while trying to become rich, hum... looks like if the playing field we level, we'd all get there faster.
PS: grow up! It's none of YOUR business where anyONE gets their money, & should you still think it's yours, then throw out here what you make. I thought so.
Actually if you draw SSI benefits before you are age eligible or other government sponsored welfare benefits, then most certainly I have a right to speak about and demand reform.

Its been proven time in and time out that the more people actually work toward their own wealth and independence have more wealth and independence than those who are content to suck off the tit of the federal government for their sustinence. But much in Liberal fashion you attempt to divert attention from the actual topic of discussion because that is a staple of Liberal Ideology is to divert attention toward an unrelated topic. This is about the Unconstitutional Language of the NDAA 2012 and 2013 allowing for the US Military to hold US Citizens indefinately. This is in gross violation of our 4th 5th 6th amendment rights. You continue Lib to point yourself out to be very unpatriotic and very much a slave to the system and its nothing to be proud of.
Lib

London, KY

#11 Dec 31, 2012
Individual Sovereignty wrote:
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Actually if you draw SSI benefits before you are age eligible or other government sponsored welfare benefits, then most certainly I have a right to speak about and demand reform.
Its been proven time in and time out that the more people actually work toward their own wealth and independence have more wealth and independence than those who are content to suck off the tit of the federal government for their sustinence. But much in Liberal fashion you attempt to divert attention from the actual topic of discussion because that is a staple of Liberal Ideology is to divert attention toward an unrelated topic. This is about the Unconstitutional Language of the NDAA 2012 and 2013 allowing for the US Military to hold US Citizens indefinately. This is in gross violation of our 4th 5th 6th amendment rights. You continue Lib to point yourself out to be very unpatriotic and very much a slave to the system and its nothing to be proud of.
You sure throw the word 'slave' around a lot with various degrees.

This post is the latest example of your juvenile thought process. Let's go with what you told us about your background in the military. Should you have been injured while serving our country, you would be eligible for VA Benefits. Those same VA Benefits are funded in the same way as SSI. Before I go further, I will tell you I have NO problem funding either. Both are disabled, both are citizens of the United States, and & both Programs are examples of American Values. The screening for both of these Programs are basically the same. Both have to be judged to be disabled by a number of Doctors, Doctors who put their reputation to paper, by swearing a person not only to be disabled for the next year or so while they mend, but for life. Both Programs are limited to a small group of Doctors & Medical Facilities, that 'will' accept their Government Issued Insurance. Neither will ever get to be on the cutting edge of Medical Technology, & sadly seem to get only what is given, never really restored. Thankfully the VA benefits seem to be advancing, but just like SSI, improvement hinges on our country's Annual National Budget.

I have the pleasure of knowing some recipients of SSI, who could NOT serve our country even if they chose to, but are just as patriotic.

As for NDAA, no I'm not in favor of turning over ANY of my liberties to any one man. However....neither am I in favor of creating an army and all that comes with it, that answers 'ONLY' to the sitting President. BUT that ship sailed with the last 'Republican' President Bush/Cheney! It's called 'Homeland Security', with that came the 'Patriot Act, living under the paranoia of the various 'Flag Alerts', lying to Congress in order to satisfy a 'personal vendetta' for my father (the 1st Bush), what many Americans consider torture, frisking our elderly and children at airports, advancing contracts to Companies like Halliburton, allowing them to shake down our Defense Dept. doing little else than getting civilians heads cut off, DEregulations from our Banking System down to Big Oil, & just about everyTHING else that occurred during the past 'republican' President's terms.

So...that ship has sailed, & to get it back we have to get rid of 'HomeFREAKINGland Security & the Patriot Act that NDAA sprung from, & reinstate the checks and balances that were. It's a Republican 'small government idea', and the MOST costly Government Program to be enacted since SS.

This 'SmAll GovernMENT' claim that if Republicans have a majority, they will pare down the government is a lie, that has YET to happen....

& please keep in mind that if it IS your business who draws SSI, those are the same voters who will or will not support the VA Benefits
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#12 Dec 31, 2012
Who said anything about me having Military experience?? Did you dig that out of your bag of lies as well? However VA benefits are not the same as government welfare benefits handed to those too damn lazy to work and women that lay on their back making babies while snorting pills. Personally Im against all political parties Republican and Democrat, I wish they would both be abolished. Its painfully clear that neither party has any interest in adhering to the US Constitution. Bush was no conservative by any stretch of the imagination. However that is no Excuse for Obama to out do him in single term deficit spending and loss of Constitutional freedoms.

But again you like to try to dike, dam, and divert from the topic being discussed because that is what you like to do. This thread is about the Unconstitutional NDAA 2012,2013 indefinate detention language. It would be really nice if you could stick to that..When I create a thread about welfare abomination from the Government then that would be the appropriate thread for you to try to explain how tax payers should not care how their money is spent and who is getting it and that they should constantly feel guilty for not paying more while demanding that everyone pay more.
Lib

London, KY

#13 Dec 31, 2012
finding your posts referring to yourself as someone who has been in the Military is no problem.

Though you've no military service to qualify for your 'short term memory loss', don't give up....try for SSI!

Oh, if you don't remember introducing SSI into the conversation, look up to 'your'#8 post, and NOW you want to introduce AFDC 'Aid for Dependent Children' to the conversation,(that's those children that were never aborted). You're a little short sited, once a child is born, it needs food, clothing, and shelter ....they're pesky like that.
Tater

Richmond, KY

#14 Dec 31, 2012
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
I am calling anyone who believes that I should not be able to enjoy ALL my rights under the US Constitution a Homegrown Terrorist. Therefore I am calling for the immediate charge and arrest of every single House of Representative and every US Senator having voted for the NDAA 2012, NDAA 2013 approving of the indefinate detention language that removes 4th, 5th, 6th amendment rights. You will be detained until a jury of your peers hears all evidence and a ruling is made. I am reccommending 20 years to life for all offenders wishing to plea not guilty and found guilty and reccommending immediate removal from office and a 5 year sentence and a 500,000 dollar fine for all individuals charged who pleas guilty.
I sure hope you are successful in rounding up all the trash we have allowed to be elected.
IndividualSovere ignty

London, KY

#15 Dec 31, 2012
Lib wrote:
finding your posts referring to yourself as someone who has been in the Military is no problem.
Though you've no military service to qualify for your 'short term memory loss', don't give up....try for SSI!
Oh, if you don't remember introducing SSI into the conversation, look up to 'your'#8 post, and NOW you want to introduce AFDC 'Aid for Dependent Children' to the conversation,(that's those children that were never aborted). You're a little short sited, once a child is born, it needs food, clothing, and shelter ....they're pesky like that.
Good Luck with finding that piece of info... Just remember it has to be based on fact, not just conjured up in that Lib brain of yours.. I would rather people who simply cannot provide for their own selves didn't have kids... Its plain as day light that people have kids just to get welfare.
Oh Please

London, KY

#16 Jan 4, 2013
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
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Good Luck with finding that piece of info... Just remember it has to be based on fact, not just conjured up in that Lib brain of yours.. I would rather people who simply cannot provide for their own selves didn't have kids... Its plain as day light that people have kids just to get welfare.
Another one of your beauties?? Go get another drink, your brains too fried to post.
hi virg

Irvine, KY

#17 Jan 4, 2013
IndividualSovereignty wrote:
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Good Luck with finding that piece of info... Just remember it has to be based on fact, not just conjured up in that Lib brain of yours.. I would rather people who simply cannot provide for their own selves didn't have kids... Its plain as day light that people have kids just to get welfare.
Have you ever lived on welfare? Have you ever been forced into drawing food stamps? Would you trade your whole life today to live the life of someone who has hit rock bottom and has absolutely no control over anything, including how much income they make, for the life of a welfare recipient? You act like people are living in mansions, driving exotic cars, and eating steak every night supplied by our govt. That is not the life these people want, do you think people are proud to go in save a lot and use food stamps? I can tell you from experience, it's not a good thing, and no I am not on any assistance anymore but so be it if me or anyone else is, it's none of your business. People don't make a career out of having baby's, they often are forced to settle, for much less than what was promised while they where growing up, if it is such a joy to live the life of someone under poverty then give up everything and try it for a while. Maybe you would then understand it's not what it's cracked up to be.
individualsovere ignty

Irvine, KY

#18 Jan 4, 2013
hi virg wrote:
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Have you ever lived on welfare? Have you ever been forced into drawing food stamps? Would you trade your whole life today to live the life of someone who has hit rock bottom and has absolutely no control over anything, including how much income they make, for the life of a welfare recipient? You act like people are living in mansions, driving exotic cars, and eating steak every night supplied by our govt. That is not the life these people want, do you think people are proud to go in save a lot and use food stamps? I can tell you from experience, it's not a good thing, and no I am not on any assistance anymore but so be it if me or anyone else is, it's none of your business. People don't make a career out of having baby's, they often are forced to settle, for much less than what was promised while they where growing up, if it is such a joy to live the life of someone under poverty then give up everything and try it for a while. Maybe you would then understand it's not what it's cracked up to be.
Why do libs continue to think that by naming someone but keeping thier own name hidden that they are being somehow slick..cowardly really...its ok though. You can attempt to demonize me all you want but I know the harder you try to demonize me and my views the clearer my conviction and you will not escape the clear evidence of welfare exploitation and welfare generations..are you proud that entire families young and old draw from the system never knowing what working a real job is like...?
hi virgin

Irvine, KY

#19 Jan 4, 2013
Your conviction is not clear, not to me, you stand atop a high hill and scream for the right of self ownership yet if a man or woman chooses to do so in a way that they find a loophole in the govt assistance program then you take it upon yourself to deny them that right. See thing is most form of life such as yourself have never experienced poverty, or maturity for that matter. If you take 10 family's on govt assistance and ask all 10 if they would like to continue to remain at the bottom or if they would like to better their lives and the lives of their family's, 8 of them will say they would like to have better. How is a man supposed to get on track in a town like this? How many career focus centers do you see in Irvine? Now how many "sign me up because I'm poor" places do you see? See if you where more concerned with all the local tax that comes out of everybody's pay check that travels out of town for employment as you are for out of county revenue generated by alcohol sales then maybe you would be more aware of the situation at hand. When business's find a way to stick it to the IRS they get applauded, but when a family finds a way to survive they get judged, crazy isn't it?
Individual Sovereignty

Somerset, KY

#20 Jan 5, 2013
Thank you for your full admission that you not only support the obvious exploitations taking place in the system "AKA Government Compassion by force" It pleases me how you magnificently show not only me but anyone else reading how you show your full support for taking from workers and giving it to those who don't. I am fully aware of how bad it is and its only getting worse. But its not getting worse because wealthy people aren't paying their "fair share"... It isn't because Businesses aren't paying their employees more.. Its because of the constantly falling domino affect from and over bearing over intrusive government. Their constant need to feed on the substance of producers to feed their voting base of growing government dependence. You can never solve a problem that government created by having more government. Now we have ObamaCare that threatens to put millions and millions more on the unemployment line by putting small business owners out of business. Is this a solution you support by refusing to admit the source of the problem in the first place? Why can't people return to the family unit? Why won't family members take care of their own like they used to? Why can't people have safe protected sex and not have kids that they cannot support? Why can't teens in school fill out a real job application before filling out their application for food stamps and SSI money that they never paid into? Ill tell you why a business gets applauded when they find the IRS loophole.. Its because they are trying to keep more of their substance, more of their real earnings.. When people exploit the Government in welfare funds, they try to keep more of other people's substance, other people's earnings.. Yes you are the crazy one! And no, no one is buying your "compassion"!!

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