obama care gone wild
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mike

United States

#1 Sep 30, 2012
starting Monday the government will penalize hospitals with a $125,000 fine if they readmitt Medicare patients within a 30 day period. You asked for it now you got it.
grandson

Ashland, KY

#2 Sep 30, 2012
Forwarded:

Was talking to my grandmother today and she was telling me her doctor told her Friday that when Obamacare kicks in, anyone over 80 does not have to be treated. The doctor also told her there won't be the need for as many nursing homes either because they will encourage healthcare providers to "put the elderly to sleep." This came from a respected doctor here in town who works for a prominent hospital system. Scary stuff. She also said she told her that children with Leukemia or other diseases may not be treated also if they might still have a chance at not making it. And yes, I know this has been talked about, but I guess I had hoped it was nothing more than right-wing propaganda. Now, having it come from a doctor, well it's pretty damn scary.
Gail

Ashland, KY

#3 Sep 30, 2012
There is no such thing as FREE healthcare. When healthcare is billed as free it is by far the most expensive kind and it gives you the least amount of care. Government will decide who gets care instead of need.
Canadian Goose

Ashland, KY

#4 Sep 30, 2012
Forwarded...

The simple disadvantage of free health care is that it is not free. It is being paid for through gov't taxes rather than a user pay system. Since there is no cost to the patient so there is no accountability. Since it is free, people will overuse it. This increases the costs so the taxes go up or there are fewer tax dollars for other gov't projects.

I live in Canada and can relate our experience with free healthcare. Because it is free, everyone uses it, whether they are sick or not, People who have a cold will go to the doctor as it costs them nothing to do so. The result is that people who are really sick have trouble getting in to the doctor. In the past few months I attended the emergency ward at the hospital due to a large laceration on my head. I waited one hour for treatment (7 stitches) as people whose children had runny noses were there before me. Off all the people in the waiting room, I was the only one who showed any signs of actual concern. The doctor even commented, very loudly so all could hear, upon seeing my head wound, "Now this is what should be coming to the emergency ward." The implication being that everyone else could have waited until the next day and seen their family doctor.

There are very long waiting lists for surgery. We have people dying while on the waiting lists.

40% of our tax dollars are used to pay for healthcare yet it is still not enough. The gov't has restricted how many surgeries can be performed each week in order to keep the costs down. The doctors are there and the operating rooms are there, but the gov't can't afford to pay for the surgeries so all of the needed surgeries are not performed that week. This is the number one cause of the waiting lists for surgery. To make matters worse, it is unlawful in Canada to pay for your medical treatment. If you are on a waiting list for heart surgery and want to pay to get it down now, rather than waiting and risking dying, you are not legally allowed to do so. You may go to another country and pay to have it done but you may not do so in Canada. This has been challenged in the courts as it is seen by most people as being wrong.

The province of British Columbia is threatening to take a doctor and his clinic to court as they have been conducting surgeries for which they were paid by the patient.
The Truth

San Luis Obispo, CA

#5 Sep 30, 2012
Wheres all the Pro Obama Care Freaks on this? Go ahead & spin this post!
Madison

Ashland, KY

#6 Sep 30, 2012
ObamaCare

Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to
all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
**

Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an
individual's bank account and will have the authority to make
electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
**

Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the
government) for all union members, union retirees and for
community organizations (such as the Association
of Community Organizations for Reform Now -
ACORN).
**

Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section
will not be treated as a tax.(How could anybody in their
right mind come up with that?)
**

Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all
doctors' fees.
**

Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care
according to the patient's age.
**

Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on
hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an
exception.
**

Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care
planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be
required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five
years.(Death counseling..)
**

Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
Tristan

Ashland, KY

#7 Sep 30, 2012
Unless one is delusional, it has to be recognized that the federal government has a 100% failure rate in the operation of any major program. All of which come in as drastically under-preforming and massively over-budget. No reason to believe that Obamacare will be any different.

Unless you are a member of Congress, you will be paying more for significantly less medical care.

Obamacare is estimated to require at least 33,000 new federal employees. With some estimates as high as 47,000. These individuals will be health care regulators, insurance adjusters, IRS investigators and compliance officers,...
Number of new Physicians created by Obamacare: 0.
Number of Nurses: 0.
Number of Nurse Practitioners:0.
Number of Physical Therapists:0.
Number of Physician Assistants: 0.

Additional costs to the federal debt: more than 2.7 trillion. Because all of this funding will need to be borrowed.

The Independent Payment Advisory Board, established by Obamacare, will say which procedures are "cost effective": Meaning which will be available. Also, which procedures are not cost effective. Meaning they will not be made available to the patient. Expect to wait for months or years for procedures which are rationed. For example, the wait for a hip or knee replacement in Canada is now well over a year.
Banker

Ashland, KY

#8 Sep 30, 2012
According to the latest estimates, President Obama’s health care law, also known as “Obamacare,” will cost around $2.6 trillion over the next 10 years, nearly $1.7 trillion more than Obama’s initial promise of $900 billion.
Roy

Ashland, KY

#9 Sep 30, 2012
mike wrote:
starting Monday the government will penalize hospitals with a $125,000 fine if they readmitt Medicare patients within a 30 day period. You asked for it now you got it.
Obama's agenda has never been healthcare. Following communist Saul Alinsky, the Obama plan has been to bankrupt America and rebuild into a Marxist state.
Jerry

Ashland, KY

#10 Sep 30, 2012
Obama took 716 BILLION out of Medicare to "help" Fund ObamaCare.

Get ready for the Death Panels, eh?
The Truth

San Luis Obispo, CA

#11 Sep 30, 2012
grandson wrote:
Forwarded:
Was talking to my grandmother today and she was telling me her doctor told her Friday that when Obamacare kicks in, anyone over 80 does not have to be treated. The doctor also told her there won't be the need for as many nursing homes either because they will encourage healthcare providers to "put the elderly to sleep." This came from a respected doctor here in town who works for a prominent hospital system. Scary stuff. She also said she told her that children with Leukemia or other diseases may not be treated also if they might still have a chance at not making it. And yes, I know this has been talked about, but I guess I had hoped it was nothing more than right-wing propaganda. Now, having it come from a doctor, well it's pretty damn scary.
Well, I'm sorry that it has came to this to open your eyes......keep an open outlook & research the issues. We are at a cross roads & it is no longer a Left or Right thing. We must vote for whats right for all of us & it's not Obama!
paul

United States

#12 Oct 1, 2012
Obama 12 tour - throw the bum out!
Rich

Elyria, OH

#13 Oct 1, 2012
Gail wrote:
There is no such thing as FREE healthcare. When healthcare is billed as free it is by far the most expensive kind and it gives you the least amount of care. Government will decide who gets care instead of need.
hi Gail-

I would love to have dinner with you sometime. Your comment is spot on. Finally, someone on Topix who can make a point in a succinct fashion!

I live in Pennsylvania but I visit AK Steel in Ashland frequently. I am serious about dinner.
west ironton

United States

#14 Oct 1, 2012
guess this is what Nancy was referring to when she said we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it.
tim

United States

#15 Oct 1, 2012
and what we are finding sucks.
Dems rule not

Ashland, KY

#16 Oct 1, 2012
What cracks me up about obama supporters is they are the biggest hypocrites ever. When you present facts that says its "republican propaganda" yet the facts they give we are supposed to just accept.

This healthcare bill is not good for anybody. People will see one day, and still probably blame bush.

I dont think mitt romney is the perfect choice, but obama has zero chance to get my vote. I like how the promises he is making are the same ones he made in 2008 and was unable to produce.
well

Ashland, KY

#17 Oct 1, 2012
Yeah
patriot

United States

#18 Oct 1, 2012
everyday we find out another drawback to obama-care.
Been there done that

Columbus, OH

#19 Oct 2, 2012
Did anyone notice that Obama has been touting his "savings" on Medicare where the government will limit how much it pays to the providers? Well, who do you think the providers will pass the cost on to? Yeah, it's YOU and ME.
kelly

United States

#20 Oct 2, 2012
and what kind of service do you think you'll receive. Cut the reimbursement rate and quality of care will drop.

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