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#1 Oct 17, 2012
Some intersting facts about obama care
#2 Oct 17, 2012
Obamacare is a definite job-killer and it's this, his pet-project, coupled with his utter lack of real leadership skills that's helping to tank the economy. The morale of the country is shot and businesses won't hire because of the overwhelming feeling of uncertainty he and his administration have fostered. He's the like the second coming of Jimmy Carter in that... he's so way in over his head with no previous executive experience (though at least Carter was at least first a bad governor before he became a poor president), he's arrogant and unwilling to listen to anyone that isn't praising his failed policies, and he's clueless when it comes to sound fiscal responsibility. Those reasons than not even many Democrats can disagree with are what make him not a very good president and a real factor in the sorry state of the country.
#3 Oct 17, 2012
I can tell you from personal experience that MOST ppl iv talked to that work in the healthcare industry approve of this health reform
#4 Oct 17, 2012
Obamacare was the largest tax increase on the middle class in US history. 80% of the new taxes will fall on families making less than $125,000 per year.
Here is a listing of only 20 of the tax increases.
1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate)
2. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion)
3.“Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion)
4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010)
5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010)
6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010)
7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011)
8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011)
9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012)
10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013)
11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013)
12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013)
13. High Medical Bills Tax ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013)
14. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bil/Jan 2013)
15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013)
16.$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013)
17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014)
18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014) Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty:$65 billion/10 years
19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014)
20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
#5 Oct 18, 2012
I work in healthcare and can tell you that most do not want Obamacare!
#6 Oct 18, 2012
How about your freedom and rights? Mandatory Health Care Law, he took your right away to decide for yourself if you needed healthcare or not, he made the choice for you and raised the price on you.
#7 Oct 18, 2012
It seems like people are jumping on the bandwagon so to speak for the government to supply more and more of our needs. There is a growing support for government sponsored health insurance. It would be nice if this could be done without forfeiting individual rights, but the truth is, it would lead to total government control over our medical care. The government would decide who gets what level of treatment and how much will be spent on them according to their usefulness to society.
#8 Oct 18, 2012
That's not what iv been hearing from the pl I know but I'm sure everyone has an opinion
#9 Oct 28, 2012
My doctor says its the worst thing to happen to the medical field since the plague. Says no doctor will take new patients under it.
#11 Oct 29, 2012
Obama's so worried about my health he's going to tax me for not having healthcare. Because I've done looked around ,and it will be cheaper to pay the fine than to purchase a healthcare plan I can't afford.
#12 Oct 30, 2012
And he hopes everyone does that.He don't care about your health its all about tax revenue. If the tax penalty is $95.00 and that's just the starting out rate and a million people have to pay it that's 95 million the government just made for nothing.
#13 Oct 30, 2012
Majority of Americans want it repealed for a reason.
#14 Oct 31, 2012
What It Will Do
It Undermines Parental Authority: Instead of empowering parents, President Obama's health care plan will chip away at the fundamental rights parents have in key health care decisions for their family by centralizing crucial health care decision-making over plans and benefits in Washington.
It Puts Federal Bureaucrats in Control of Health Care Decisions: The President's health agenda would result in a major transfer of regulatory authority over health insurance and the kinds of benefits and medical treatments that families get in their health coverage. This could also compromise the rights of families to secure the kind of health coverage that is compatible with their ethical, moral, or religious convictions.
It Shackles Families with Unknown Costs: President Obama promised American families that under his health plan the average family would save $2,500. But independent analysis shows that less than 11 percent of American families would actually see that level of savings with the reforms proposed by the Administration.
Health Care and Family
Why You Should Be Concerned
It Dumps Families into a Government-Run Health Plan: A key element of the Obama agenda is the creation of a public health plan. Independent analysis projects that as many as 119 million Americans could lose the coverage they have today. Employers would be incentivized to drop private coverage, regardless of individual preferences in the matter. The end result would be bureaucrats and politicians controlling health care choices and decisions, not families.
It Makes Bureaucrats Moral Decision-makers: As biomedical advances push us into ever-more murky ethical depths about everything from prenatal concerns to end-of-life decisions, the Obama health agenda would hand the moral compass over to anonymous bureaucrats to decide what questionable health benefits the government plan will cover. Taxpayer-funded abortions are just one of many potential problems.
It Disregards Conscience Options for Patients and Providers: Families need to be able to vote with their feet when it comes to abortion and other sensitive health care issues. They need the freedom to choose doctors and health plans that reflect their values. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals need protections of their right of conscience so they can practice according to their convictions respecting life. Religious doctors, nurses, and hospitals are the front lines in providing the care families need, particularly in low-income and rural areas. In spite of this, President Obama has already moved to overturn crucial federal protections of health care providers' consciences.
#15 Nov 1, 2012
Barack Obama was rated as the #1 most liberal senator in 2007 (even ahead of Bernie Sanders!)- " Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings." Source: Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
Commentary on Barack Obama's Economic Policies - "Among other things, he is concerned about the "winner-take-all" economy where, he says, "the gains from economic growth skew heavily toward the wealthy." Actually, the gains from economic growth can skew toward anyone willing to work hard and make personal and family decisions that improve their chances for success. This is boilerplate wealth redistribution, an economic philosophy at the center of the former Soviet Union. Obama and Democrats wish to embrace it now in order to make more people dependent on government, rather than encourage people to rely on themselves and the opportunity America offers to most citizens, even illegal aliens. Guaranteed equal outcome is socialism. America was built on and sustained by a "can do" spirit. Today, too many are taught a "can't do" spirit. They are told that because of factors over which they have no control -- race, class, poverty -- it is impossible for them to do anything for themselves and so they must increasingly rely on government. Government doesn't cure poverty." Source: Cal Thomas via pressdemocrat
About Obama's Health Care Plan - "the costs would be staggering" Source: Stuart Butler via William Neikirk, The Swamp
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project, most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it." - Ronald Reagan -
#16 Nov 1, 2012
Romney is What the Country Needs Now
Oct. 31, 2012
The single most important issue in this election is ending the national nightmare of Obamacare.
If Obamacare is not stopped, it will permanently change the political culture of this country. There will be no going back. America will become a less productive, less wealthy nation. What wealth remains will have to be plowed into Obamacare — to the delight only of the tens of thousands of government bureaucrats administering it.
There won’t be one moment marking the end of America. Everything will just gradually get worse, like trains and the tax code, until a bustling, prosperous nation is as distant a memory as pleasurable train travel and one-page tax returns.
The reason we have Obamacare is not because the public was clamoring for the federal government to take over health care. It’s because the Democrats had 60 senators. In the frozen ideology of the left, it doesn’t matter if anyone wants government health care.
Democrats had been waiting around for 50 years to win huge majorities in the House and Senate and the presidency, so they could check off this box on “FDR’s Unfinished Business.”
Unlike all other major legislation in the nation’s history, Obamacare was passed exclusively by one party that had just won an aberrationally large majority in Congress. Not a single Republican in either the House or Senate voted for it.
Republicans have passed legislation on such partisan votes, too, but never something that would fundamentally change the lives of every living American. Nationalizing one-sixth of the economy is not the kind of thing that should be passed by one party sneering,“Ha, ha — we have 60 votes!”
As soon as all Americans have been thrown off their employer-provided insurance plans and are forced to start depending on the government for health care, Republicans will never be able to repeal it.
The private insurance market will be gone. Most Americans won’t be able to conceive of getting health care that doesn’t come from the government — just as people in the Soviet Union couldn’t imagine how they’d get bread if the government didn’t provide it.
(Also similar to Communist systems, you’ll have to know someone in power to get decent medical care.)
A powerful health care Leviathan will arise, composed of self-paced, well-pensioned, unionized government workers who will manage our health care from 10 a.m.-3 p.m., except federal holidays, sick days, mental health days and in bad weather.(The day after Hurricane Sandy, everything was open on the mostly unaffected Upper East Side of New York — but not the post office.)
This new phalanx of government workers will spend the bulk of their time campaigning to ensure the election of more Democrats who promise to lessen their workload and increase their benefits. Even Republicans will have to run for office promising only to enlarge Obamacare. Newt Gingrich will be calling plans to alter Obamacare “right-wing social engineering.”
#17 Nov 1, 2012
The Democrats’ idea for funding their endless government programs is always the same: Tax the rich, and just keep taxing them, no matter how high taxes have to be raised. One thing all such people have in common is that they’ve never had a real job, meaning a job from which you can be fired. Not Bernie Sanders, not Barack Obama, not Joe Biden, not Chuck Schumer and on and on.
Such people simply cannot grasp that doubling tax rates will not double government revenues because people won’t work as hard for half the money. Their ideas about tax policy will put America on a high-speed train to government deficits rivaling Greece. We’ll be a country with no military, no wealth and no hope.
Even before the train wreck of Obamacare, health care was half-a-disaster because that’s the percentage of medical care in this country that was already provided by the government — via Medicare, Medicaid, veterans’ hospitals and other public hospitals.
In 2008, a single county in Florida — Miami-Dade — received more money in Medicare home health care payments than the entire rest of the country combined. This continued throughout the entire year and was finally noticed by our Department of Health and Human Services in December 2009.
Do you think it would take a private insurer two years to catch onto the fact that health care claims coming from a single county in Florida were larger than the rest of the country combined?
Lifelong politicians haven’t the first idea what an efficient, operating system would even look like. If only we had a presidential candidate who had spent his life working in the private sector …
The way to fix health care is to take as much as possible away from the government and give it to the private sector. It is a universal law of nature that everything run by the government gets worse and more expensive over time — the postal service, airport security and Amtrak. Everything run by the private sector gets better and cheaper over time — cellphones, computers, hair products, dishwashers, etc.
You know who specializes in rescuing failing enterprises and making things work? Mitt Romney.
Contrary to ignorant slanders about Romney’s private sector work, his specialty was not buying thriving companies and stripping them for parts. Rather, the Bain Capital model was to take companies that were on the verge of collapse — about to cut all jobs, pensions and health care for their workers — and save the business.
Romney is the Red Adair of his profession. He’s like a doctor who specializes in multiple gunshot wounds or an oncologist who takes only Stage 4 cancer patients. Yes, there were layoffs, but also lots and lots of jobs, profit, success, efficiency, saved businesses and saved lives.
Romney will be the most accomplished incoming president since Dwight Eisenhower.
Not only has Romney promised to issue a 50-state waiver from Obamacare on his first day in office and then seek a formal repeal and replacement, but he’ll know how to do it. The savior of dying companies will fix health care in this country so that no Democrat will be able to wreck it again.
The only way to rid ourselves of this national poison pill, set to destroy both health care and the nation at large, is to elect Mitt Romney our next president.
Ann Coulter is a political commentator and author.
#18 Nov 2, 2012
If Obama is so worried about my healthcare then why did he ,under lobbyists pressure refuse to put legislation in the healthcare act governing the cost of medications?
#19 Nov 2, 2012
I thought Obama was against lobbyists, I reckon that's just for ones that oppose you.
#20 Nov 2, 2012
I can say without any doubt that it was long needed and in the long run it will help keep the costs down. As for my patients I am more than happy to cut my costs to give more people good care.
#21 Nov 2, 2012
lol @ the Ann Coulter BS posts. That woman is a psycho.
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