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Think it's awful ppl are blaming Sheriff Lawless and Deputys for a death

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Awful

Ardsley, NY

#1 Dec 19, 2012
You ppl are awful I personally know Sheriff Lawless and he is one of the kindness nicest man I've ever meet who would do anything for anybody and he's deputy's are just as caring. When this comes out they did nothing wrong I hope you people have enough courage to tell them your sorry for casting stones for a death in the jail!!! That goes for the ironton tribune as well to put something like that on ur front page of the paper shame on you these people protect are family's at night when u lay ur heads down
Getaclue

Whitney, TX

#2 Dec 20, 2012
Awful wrote:
You ppl are awful I personally know Sheriff Lawless and he is one of the kindness nicest man I've ever meet who would do anything for anybody and he's deputy's are just as caring. When this comes out they did nothing wrong I hope you people have enough courage to tell them your sorry for casting stones for a death in the jail!!! That goes for the ironton tribune as well to put something like that on ur front page of the paper shame on you these people protect are family's at night when u lay ur heads down
This is hilarious! You are telling everyone that the deputy's are "caring?" That is quite funny when I see them on a daily basis and how they are with inmates. This young man lost his life in jail due to medical neglect. Who is liable, I dont know. However, someone has some answers to be spitting out! We are dealing with the state of Ohio here. You know, where you can hit people and run and leave them for dead and never get arrested! Stop defending people who REALLY DONT GIVE A SHIT about any inmate. The truth is the truth and I have seen it for years. I have no doubt that they will "try" to throw this under the rug like everything else. However, it appears that this young man has a family who is going to fight them. I am so happy for that! People can only get away with being dirty for so long. It always catches up ;)
YOU get a clue

Columbus, OH

#3 Dec 20, 2012
This man had heart problems that was caused by excessive drug use period. He would have died anyway , it just happened to be the jail. When its your time its your time.
Getaclue wrote:
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This is hilarious! You are telling everyone that the deputy's are "caring?" That is quite funny when I see them on a daily basis and how they are with inmates. This young man lost his life in jail due to medical neglect. Who is liable, I dont know. However, someone has some answers to be spitting out! We are dealing with the state of Ohio here. You know, where you can hit people and run and leave them for dead and never get arrested! Stop defending people who REALLY DONT GIVE A SHIT about any inmate. The truth is the truth and I have seen it for years. I have no doubt that they will "try" to throw this under the rug like everything else. However, it appears that this young man has a family who is going to fight them. I am so happy for that! People can only get away with being dirty for so long. It always catches up ;)
Sarah

Ardsley, NY

#4 Dec 20, 2012
A robber an a druggie died in jail an we don't know how yet but his family is already pointing fingers at sheriff an deputy's is uncalled for an makes them look stupid at least wait to see if maybe he poisoned hisself or things like that
Bull

Ashland, KY

#5 Dec 20, 2012
Every time someone dies in jail its automaticly the jails fault. Just look at all the people or families in this area thats sued this already broke city have been nothing but trash trying to get some fast cash. Its bullshit and I,being a tax payer am sick of it.
concerned mom

Lucasville, OH

#6 Dec 20, 2012
law county jail is awful , caring people nope do not se that at all, my family member went to visit at jail only to walk upon a loaded gun up on top of a vechicle of one of the deputys now go figure that was awesome huh we have great people there... that place is not fair at all never has been and never will be as long as the good ole boys politics are in there forever more but all i can say one day it may be your family or family member that has to experince this then lets see what you have to say...
Chicken hunter

Bradley, IL

#7 Dec 20, 2012
I've became very ill from his disrespect towards the prisoners, I'd to move away from the Lawrence co.area! Ex-toboater.
Raven

Conneaut Lake, PA

#8 Dec 20, 2012
Awful wrote:
You ppl are awful I personally know Sheriff Lawless and he is one of the kindness nicest man I've ever meet who would do anything for anybody and he's deputy's are just as caring. When this comes out they did nothing wrong I hope you people have enough courage to tell them your sorry for casting stones for a death in the jail!!! That goes for the ironton tribune as well to put something like that on ur front page of the paper shame on you these people protect are family's at night when u lay ur heads down
The sheriff is the sheriff so that means he is responsible for the deputies and the inmates. Yes I have met Sheriff Lawless and i agree that he is a up-right person but he has little or no control over the direct actions of those who work for him if they choose to be incompetent as they were in this mannor. The end result is that he is the sheriff and responsible because it comes with the job title. I only hope he does the right thing and not cover up any wrong doing to save someone who really needs to disciplined.

This isn't the first time a death has happened at that facility. There are numberour accounts of people being assulted by other inmates and a history of neglect and mistreatment by the corrections officers. The EMS is at the sheriffs station on a weekly basis
Getaclue

Whitney, TX

#9 Dec 20, 2012
YOU get a clue wrote:
This man had heart problems that was caused by excessive drug use period. He would have died anyway , it just happened to be the jail. When its your time its your time.<quoted text>
So I am assuming that you are the medical examiner that already did the autopsy and diagnosed his cause of death with endocarditis that led to cardiac arrest?(Which is what I was thinking myself but I didnt state it because I know nothing about this individual). By the way DOCTOR, IV drug users live daily and endocarditis can be fixed if they are TREATED CORRECTLY and not ignored! So, until you get a medical degree, I would stop making myself look so smart....LOL.....By they way, why dont you use your little internet and lookup that word since you obviously know NOTHING about it! I bet you dont find that everyone dies from it!

What would we do without people like you? Be bored! LOL.....So your statement "he had heart problems and was going to die anyway" is quite interesting! You apparently dont even understand what kind of heart problems he had if you are saying that. I cant wait to hear about this autopsy report and watch people shit their pants! Why dont you share with us "his heart problems" as I am curious myself because I didnt know the man nor knew what was wrong with him. I would love to hear your expertise on this matter other than "he had heart problems anyway and was going to die anyway" Surely you can give us more info than just that. Heart patients of all kinds survive heart diseases of all different types! Please share your knowledge! LMAO!

P.S. Let me get this straight. Did I understand that you are blaming the deceased for his own death when in FACT it is possible had he been treated, he could have lived? Did I understand you correctly? Please correct me if I am wrong! If that is NOT what you are saying, please share with us WHO IS TO BLAME!
Raven

Conneaut Lake, PA

#10 Dec 20, 2012
I want it to be known that I respect Sheriff Lawless for the job that he has choosen to do for the people of his community. I feel he is using his position for the whole of the people. I trust that he will continue to do so. I do have issues with the corrrection staff and the over crowding.

When that jail was built its plans was to prevent another murder like Sheriff Bailey's. It is considered a maximum security facility and for only appox. 60 people. The type of crimes and the type of residents that made up the criminal faction has changed.

Most of the security camera's and recorders don't even work. By law each person is required to have so many sq. ft if for nothing else the air they breath. A new jail big enough to hold these people is the answer. There is plenty of room at the old Mallable plant on third street.

I'll pay higher taxes for more police anytime. I voted for and support Sheriff Lawless but something needs to change. I know your budget is small but please stop people from dying in your jail.
Money

Whitney, TX

#11 Dec 20, 2012
Bull wrote:
Every time someone dies in jail its automaticly the jails fault. Just look at all the people or families in this area thats sued this already broke city have been nothing but trash trying to get some fast cash. Its bullshit and I,being a tax payer am sick of it.
I can fully understand your frustrations. It should not be about money. It should be about "who" is responsible for NOT treating this individual in a timely manner. That/Those people should be locked up! PERIOD! Laws need to be changed over money. No amount of money will fix this situation but locking up the responsible person/people would be a good start! Being a taxpayer myself, I get very frustrated. However, if they would fix the problem, the city wouldnt keep paying out big money as you say they have. It is pretty easy to correct it. When they throw the guilty behind bars for not doing their job, people will eventually get it. And dont you think for a minute that the guilty wouldnt be the first one filing a lawsuit over an earache NOT being treated within the hour!
YOU get a clue

Columbus, OH

#12 Dec 20, 2012
I'm just saying that his choice of lifestyle & choice's of substance's to abuse led to his death. You don't have to be a doctor to see that.
Getaclue wrote:
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So I am assuming that you are the medical examiner that already did the autopsy and diagnosed his cause of death with endocarditis that led to cardiac arrest?(Which is what I was thinking myself but I didnt state it because I know nothing about this individual). By the way DOCTOR, IV drug users live daily and endocarditis can be fixed if they are TREATED CORRECTLY and not ignored! So, until you get a medical degree, I would stop making myself look so smart....LOL.....By they way, why dont you use your little internet and lookup that word since you obviously know NOTHING about it! I bet you dont find that everyone dies from it!
What would we do without people like you? Be bored! LOL.....So your statement "he had heart problems and was going to die anyway" is quite interesting! You apparently dont even understand what kind of heart problems he had if you are saying that. I cant wait to hear about this autopsy report and watch people shit their pants! Why dont you share with us "his heart problems" as I am curious myself because I didnt know the man nor knew what was wrong with him. I would love to hear your expertise on this matter other than "he had heart problems anyway and was going to die anyway" Surely you can give us more info than just that. Heart patients of all kinds survive heart diseases of all different types! Please share your knowledge! LMAO!
P.S. Let me get this straight. Did I understand that you are blaming the deceased for his own death when in FACT it is possible had he been treated, he could have lived? Did I understand you correctly? Please correct me if I am wrong! If that is NOT what you are saying, please share with us WHO IS TO BLAME!
Getaclue

Whitney, TX

#13 Dec 20, 2012
YOU get a clue wrote:
I'm just saying that his choice of lifestyle & choice's of substance's to abuse led to his death. You don't have to be a doctor to see that.<quoted text>
His lifestyle choices may have contributed to his illness. However, when you are sick, dont you want to see a doctor? Humans are humans and do have the right to be treated.(And not after they are DEAD)

Having no idea what his cause of death was, I cannot give an opinion. However, the last I checked, part of law enforcements jobs were to observe the inmates and if they need medical care, they call for it. Do you know how RARE it is for a 23 yr old to drop unless it was an overdose? It is almost unheard of. No matter what the cause of death was, there had to be signs that were obviously not taken seriously until he dropped. If you are going to allow officers to make medical decisions, then I suggest you train them. And I am pretty confident the nurse and doctor are not on staff 24 hours a day! This kind of behavior will bite people! Lets just sit back and see the outcome. I am very curious myself. You might want to be a bit more sympathetic in life because you dont know when it could be YOUR family. People are still humans and the laws in this country are that nobody is to be denied medical treatment. That doesnt include waiting until they are dead to call for help.(If this was the situation)
Bull

Ashland, KY

#14 Dec 20, 2012
Getaclue wrote:
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His lifestyle choices may have contributed to his illness. However, when you are sick, dont you want to see a doctor? Humans are humans and do have the right to be treated.(And not after they are DEAD)
Having no idea what his cause of death was, I cannot give an opinion. However, the last I checked, part of law enforcements jobs were to observe the inmates and if they need medical care, they call for it. Do you know how RARE it is for a 23 yr old to drop unless it was an overdose? It is almost unheard of. No matter what the cause of death was, there had to be signs that were obviously not taken seriously until he dropped. If you are going to allow officers to make medical decisions, then I suggest you train them. And I am pretty confident the nurse and doctor are not on staff 24 hours a day! This kind of behavior will bite people! Lets just sit back and see the outcome. I am very curious myself. You might want to be a bit more sympathetic in life because you dont know when it could be YOUR family. People are still humans and the laws in this country are that nobody is to be denied medical treatment. That doesnt include waiting until they are dead to call for help.(If this was the situation)
I feel for this family also. I couldn't imagine that being my son and how I would react. Just like someone said that the EMS is there all the time, now why is that??? Because yes most of them are fake calls. I been in that jail for DUI several times when I was younger and I know what these dudes do. But sometimes they really are sick and moreso nowdays with all the pill sick people they lock up. Iam on painpills to and its no fun when you don't have any. You actually think you really are dieing. The worst sickness I have ever experianced. But hell I know this and thats the reason I stay out of jail. You do the crime you do the time sick or not. I would think if the man already had a bad heart and being pillsick on top of that, it could possiable stop your heart. I just can't see throwing out the threats against the sheriff like they are doing. Don't know him and hope I never do but I have heard hes a pretty good guy.
Getaclue

Whitney, TX

#15 Dec 20, 2012
Bull wrote:
<quoted text> I feel for this family also. I couldn't imagine that being my son and how I would react. Just like someone said that the EMS is there all the time, now why is that??? Because yes most of them are fake calls. I been in that jail for DUI several times when I was younger and I know what these dudes do. But sometimes they really are sick and moreso nowdays with all the pill sick people they lock up. Iam on painpills to and its no fun when you don't have any. You actually think you really are dieing. The worst sickness I have ever experianced. But hell I know this and thats the reason I stay out of jail. You do the crime you do the time sick or not. I would think if the man already had a bad heart and being pillsick on top of that, it could possiable stop your heart. I just can't see throwing out the threats against the sheriff like they are doing. Don't know him and hope I never do but I have heard hes a pretty good guy.
I dont know the sheriff either and I am confident that he wasnt sitting there saying "dont call 911 for him" I am sure that he will get to the bottom of it and if he dont, I doubt he will hold his position. It would be very hard to determine who was making up being sick and who wasnt. Professionals are sometimes fooled too. However, they need to have an EXPERIENCED nurse on staff at all times that can make those calls. One that "their license" is on the line if they ignore an illness. When in doubt, send them out! I think that they need to start with teaching the officers about "bad" signs of drug withdraw, the different types of addictions and how they use them and what can happen. If one was educated at all, they would know that any IV drug user (if this guy was one) is at risk for a heart problem. Therefore, when they tell you that something is wrong, you need to listen. If someone takes pills by mouth or snorts them, their risks of heart problems are much lower (if they dont have an underlying problem already). It is called EDUCATION! Dont place people in positions that dont know what they are doing. If this was the first incident, I think things would be looked at differently. However, it is my understanding that this has happened many of times in this jail. If that is really the case, then I believe that someone needs to be held responsible for this, dont you? I do hate that the sheriff is being pointed at directly because I really doubt that "he" was responsible for this. However, holding the position he holds places him in charge and it falls back on the ones in charge.

All we can do is hope that justice is served correctly and if this sheriff is a good person as I have read by many, he will do what is right. It sounds as if many already have respect for the man and I am sure that he doesnt want to lose that. Time to CLEAN them out! ;)
Bull

Ashland, KY

#16 Dec 20, 2012
Getaclue wrote:
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I dont know the sheriff either and I am confident that he wasnt sitting there saying "dont call 911 for him" I am sure that he will get to the bottom of it and if he dont, I doubt he will hold his position. It would be very hard to determine who was making up being sick and who wasnt. Professionals are sometimes fooled too. However, they need to have an EXPERIENCED nurse on staff at all times that can make those calls. One that "their license" is on the line if they ignore an illness. When in doubt, send them out! I think that they need to start with teaching the officers about "bad" signs of drug withdraw, the different types of addictions and how they use them and what can happen. If one was educated at all, they would know that any IV drug user (if this guy was one) is at risk for a heart problem. Therefore, when they tell you that something is wrong, you need to listen. If someone takes pills by mouth or snorts them, their risks of heart problems are much lower (if they dont have an underlying problem already). It is called EDUCATION! Dont place people in positions that dont know what they are doing. If this was the first incident, I think things would be looked at differently. However, it is my understanding that this has happened many of times in this jail. If that is really the case, then I believe that someone needs to be held responsible for this, dont you? I do hate that the sheriff is being pointed at directly because I really doubt that "he" was responsible for this. However, holding the position he holds places him in charge and it falls back on the ones in charge.
All we can do is hope that justice is served correctly and if this sheriff is a good person as I have read by many, he will do what is right. It sounds as if many already have respect for the man and I am sure that he doesnt want to lose that. Time to CLEAN them out! ;)
Well I do agree with you 100%, You have spoke what I think most people feel. But I don't think they have the money to keep a fulltime nurse.
Anonymous

Ashland, KY

#17 Dec 20, 2012
Chicken hunter wrote:
I've became very ill from his disrespect towards the prisoners, I'd to move away from the Lawrence co.area! Ex-toboater.
What??? No sense
really

Ashland, KY

#18 Dec 21, 2012
YOU get a clue wrote:
This man had heart problems that was caused by excessive drug use period. He would have died anyway , it just happened to be the jail. When its your time its your time.<quoted text>
Thank you for your assessment and diagnosis, doctor. I'm sure his parents appreciate your taking the time to inform them of the cause of death from your armchair. What did they need an autopsy for? They can toss that report in the trash when they get it...now that you've taken the time to give your well thought-out medical opinion.
really

Ashland, KY

#19 Dec 21, 2012
Awful wrote:
You ppl are awful I personally know Sheriff Lawless and he is one of the kindness nicest man I've ever meet who would do anything for anybody and he's deputy's are just as caring. When this comes out they did nothing wrong I hope you people have enough courage to tell them your sorry for casting stones for a death in the jail!!! That goes for the ironton tribune as well to put something like that on ur front page of the paper shame on you these people protect are family's at night when u lay ur heads down
Did you think it was awful when the story came out in the paper that Steven had complained of being ill on Saturday morning and the jail then called EMS, when in fact, Steven was complaining for days and jail personnel ignored him and refused him treatment? He was dead when EMS got there! I think that's awful.
Know

Ardsley, NY

#20 Dec 21, 2012
If the robber-drug head didn't wanna die in jail then he shouldnt broke the law an even been in jail just saying its gonna be a cold day in hell before I feel sry for a druggie

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