How can Christians vote Obama?

How can Christians vote Obama?

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The Truth

United States

#1 Sep 28, 2012
This Administration helped to overthrow & recognizes the Muslim BrotherHood as a liget Goverment. This is where it leads.......

http://www.france24.com/en/20120928-christian...
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#2 Sep 29, 2012
Unpopular thread but this is the end result when Obama helps over throw a Western Ally & help to back fill with Muslims. What are you Christians going to think when the Muslims want to take Israel? Go ahead vote for Obama again!
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#3 Sep 29, 2012
if you're using faith as you guide to voting how can you vote for a man who's own belief says you practice a false religion and you'll end up in purgatory under the best of circumstances and hell at the worst. no chance of heaven for non-mormons who don't come to believe the words of the prophet joseph smith. it's that simple, if you're not a mormon you are damned.
Francis

Ashland, KY

#4 Sep 30, 2012
wtfever wrote:
if you're using faith as you guide to voting how can you vote for a man who's own belief says you practice a false religion and you'll end up in purgatory under the best of circumstances and hell at the worst. no chance of heaven for non-mormons who don't come to believe the words of the prophet joseph smith. it's that simple, if you're not a mormon you are damned.
Not a Muslim....? They say Americans are all infidels and should die.

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God keeps good records and only those who have been born again by the blood that Christ shed on Calvary will go to Heaven.

Denominations can not save anyone.

Many types of churches will have saved ones in Heaven.

The Bible and it tells us that there is a place called Hell. Satan and His angels are already condemned and for us humans Judgment Day will arrive.
It would seem Hell is for followers of Satan, those who's father is Satan? And those loyal to Satan and haters of God who don't want the Creator to govern.

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No, Mormons do not believe that other Christians will go to Hell!!!!!

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What is admirable of Christians is that they 'Agree to Disagree' with mutual respect for each other's conflicting viewpoints. This is dignified and shows that Christians are refined, civilized and matured in their religious beliefs by allowing the disagreeing person his right and freedom to think otherwise..that is a hallmark of a truly civlized person and society.

Check out Islam...check out Iraq...check our Pakistan...check out Iran...SUNNI versus SHIA etc. etc..
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#5 Sep 30, 2012
Francis wrote:
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Not a Muslim....? They say Americans are all infidels and should die.
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God keeps good records and only those who have been born again by the blood that Christ shed on Calvary will go to Heaven.
Denominations can not save anyone.
Many types of churches will have saved ones in Heaven.
The Bible and it tells us that there is a place called Hell. Satan and His angels are already condemned and for us humans Judgment Day will arrive.
It would seem Hell is for followers of Satan, those who's father is Satan? And those loyal to Satan and haters of God who don't want the Creator to govern.
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No, Mormons do not believe that other Christians will go to Hell!!!!!
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What is admirable of Christians is that they 'Agree to Disagree' with mutual respect for each other's conflicting viewpoints. This is dignified and shows that Christians are refined, civilized and matured in their religious beliefs by allowing the disagreeing person his right and freedom to think otherwise..that is a hallmark of a truly civlized person and society.
Check out Islam...check out Iraq...check our Pakistan...check out Iran...SUNNI versus SHIA etc. etc..
francis, we don't have a muslim running for president. despite the best efforts of some to try and say we do. we have a christian and a mormon. and mormons absolutely do believe that non-mormon christians end up in purgatory-as i said in the above statement, under the best circumstances, or hell. it's that clear cut. if you do not accept the teachings and adopt the practices of the prophet joseph smith, you will not enter into heaven.
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#6 Sep 30, 2012
wtfever wrote:
<quoted text>francis, we don't have a muslim running for president. despite the best efforts of some to try and say we do. we have a christian and a mormon. and mormons absolutely do believe that non-mormon christians end up in purgatory-as i said in the above statement, under the best circumstances, or hell. it's that clear cut. if you do not accept the teachings and adopt the practices of the prophet joseph smith, you will not enter into heaven.
You can say Obama is a Christian but Christians don't turn their back on Israel, remove Governing bodies that had Peace agreements with Israel, recognize the Muslim BrotherHood as a Government or fund them for that matter! It is FACTUAL! Don't try to Bullshit us!
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#7 Sep 30, 2012
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Either your an ally to Israel or not!
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#8 Sep 30, 2012
The Truth wrote:
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You can say Obama is a Christian but Christians don't turn their back on Israel, remove Governing bodies that had Peace agreements with Israel, recognize the Muslim BrotherHood as a Government or fund them for that matter! It is FACTUAL! Don't try to Bullshit us!
so you're saying it's a christians duty to bend over and kiss isreal's ass. i'm sure alot of christians might not feel the same on the subject as you do.
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#9 Sep 30, 2012
wtfever wrote:
<quoted text>so you're saying it's a christians duty to bend over and kiss isreal's ass. i'm sure alot of christians might not feel the same on the subject as you do.
Yes I am!....you have to choose your friends in this world & as history shows it we are tied to the people. You can make it sound as if we are "kissing their ass" but as Christians go, it's much deeper than that!
The Truth

Templeton, CA

#10 Sep 30, 2012
wtfever wrote:
<quoted text>so you're saying it's a christians duty to bend over and kiss isreal's ass. i'm sure alot of christians might not feel the same on the subject as you do.
If so, let them speak! It's as if your trying to be their mouthpiece.
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#11 Sep 30, 2012
The Truth wrote:
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If so, let them speak! It's as if your trying to be their mouthpiece.
lmfao, did you read your post above this post you made?
I'm trying to be their mouthpiece? You just answered for them dipshit.
In short, The Truth is buttsore that his pal Gadaffi was deposed, he misses him and blames obama. He also misses Mubarak because Obama didn't send troops over to fight a civil uprising against a dictator who's own army didn't even bother to send troops across the street to protect.
However interestingly enough I'm the mouthpiece for all of christianity(I'm agnostic) while he answers on their behalf in unambiguous broad blanket statements. Christians, you should have shown your support for Isreal by kissing the ass of Gaddaffi, I your chosen mouthpiece have spoken after being told what I should say for you by this assclown.
Dan

Ashland, KY

#12 Sep 30, 2012
wtfever wrote:
<quoted text>francis, we don't have a muslim running for president. despite the best efforts of some to try and say we do. we have a christian and a mormon. and mormons absolutely do believe that non-mormon christians end up in purgatory-as i said in the above statement, under the best circumstances, or hell. it's that clear cut. if you do not accept the teachings and adopt the practices of the prophet joseph smith, you will not enter into heaven.
Wikipedia

Purgatory is the condition of purification or temporary punishment by which those who die in a state of grace are believed to be made ready for Heaven. This theological notion has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, but the poetic conception of purgatory as a geographically situated place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.

The notion of purgatory is associated particularly with the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church (in the Eastern sui juris churches or rites it is a doctrine, though often without using the name "Purgatory"); Anglicans of the Anglo-Catholic tradition generally also hold to the belief, along with many Lutherans of High Church Lutheranism. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, believed in an intermediate state between death and the final judgment and in the possibility of "continuing to grow in holiness there." The Eastern Orthodox Churches believe in the possibility of a change of situation for the souls of the dead through the prayers of the living and the offering of the Divine Liturgy, and many Orthodox, especially among ascetics, hope and pray for a general apocatastasis. A similar belief in at least the possibility of a final salvation for all is held by Mormonism. Judaism also believes in the possibility of after-death purification and may even use the word "purgatory" to present its understanding of the meaning of Gehenna. However, the concept of soul "purification" may be explicitly denied in these other faith traditions.

The word "purgatory", derived through Anglo-Norman and Old French from the Latin word purgatorium, has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation, and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary.

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Catholic Statement:

210. What is purgatory?

Purgatory is the state of those who die in Godís friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven.

211. How can we help the souls being purified in purgatory?

Because of the communion of saints, the faithful who are still pilgrims on earth are able to help the souls in purgatory by offering prayers in suffrage for them, especially the Eucharistic sacrifice. They also help them by almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance.

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The views of Purgatory vary depending on Christian denomination. Some churches, typically those with a more Catholic structure, recognize the doctrine, while many Protestant and Orthodox churches reject it.

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Mainstream Mormonism is defined by the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) which identifies itself as Christian. Members of the LDS Church consider their top leaders to be prophets and Apostles, and are encouraged to accept their positions on matters of theology, while seeking confirmation of them through personal study of the Book of Mormon and the Bible. Personal prayer is encouraged as well. The LDS Church is by far the largest branch of Mormonism. It has continuously existed since the succession crisis of 1844 that split the Latter Day Saint movement after the death of founder Joseph Smith, Jr.

Wikipedia
Joy

Ashland, KY

#13 Sep 30, 2012
The Mormon church or more correctly "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is a restorationist church. Mormons believe the ancient Christian church fell away after the last apostle died and that the Mormon church is the church of Jesus Christ restored to the earth in the last days. It was restored by revelation through the prophet Joseph Smith and is led today by a prophet and quorum of 12 apostles. The church was restored in 1830. There are currently more than 14 million members worldwide of which somewhat less than half are in the US. They make up about 2 percent of the US population.

The church uses the King James version of the bible though it is not considered a bible church because it is led by revelation. The church also uses other scriptures as well as the words of the past and present church leaders.

Members of the church are nicknamed Mormons because of their belief in the Book of Mormon, another scripture that concerns the ancient inhabitants of the America's.

The church has no paid clergy but almost all members are called to positions in the church. They can be leaders, teachers, piano players, activities committee members, clerks, missionaries, scout masters, etc. Male members, beginning at the age of 12, receive some degree of the priesthood. The priesthood is the power and authority of God to act in his name. Priesthood holders can lead, perform sacred ordinances such as baptism, perform healings and blessings, receive revelation concerning their stewardship, etc.

Faithful members of the church pay ten percent of their income to the church as tithing, The money is used to forward the work of the church. The church also has a vast welfare system that provides, food and resources to the needy. The system also has employment counseling as well as family and unwed mothers counseling, adoption services etc.

The church has an unpaid force of about 50,000 missionaries serving throughout the world. Most of the missionaries are young men ages 19 thru 25 who serve for 2 years.

Mormons also perform sacred ordinances in temples that are built for that purpose. Also, Mormons believe that families can exist beyond the grave.

Mormons believe we are saved by faith (a trust in Christ that leads to actions) and repentance (a general turning from a life of sin to following Christ).

Other churches do not like the Mormon church for several reasons which include:
1. Though the church acknowledges the good works of other churches, it claims to be the one true Church of Jesus Christ on the earth.
2. Mormons do not accept the traditional belief in the trinity doctrine but believes that God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are separate entities which are one in purpose.
3. Because Mormons believe in repentance, other churches are concerned that we teach that we are saved by our works. Mormons actually believe that we are saved by the atonement of Christ but that we must excercise faith in him.

Mormons believe in strong families, good government, service in the community, a good work ethic, getting an education and leading good, honest, moral lives. Mormons are taught to not drink alcohol or take tobacco, watch indecent media, have sexual relations outside of marriage.

US teenager boys are all enrolled in the Boy Scouts of America and many are eagle scouts.
Heath

Ashland, KY

#14 Sep 30, 2012
I am a Catholic. I do not dislike Mormons. I liked every one I met. They were some of the finest soldiers in this country's Armed Forces. I do not know what their religious beliefs are. They are fellow Americans. That is all that counts with me.
The Truth

San Luis Obispo, CA

#15 Sep 30, 2012
Thank You for everyones input. Mr. WTFEVER wants to hijack the thread because hes angry. Everyone knows hes got a stick up his ass but wants everyone to share in his misery.
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#17 Oct 1, 2012
oh, mormons are just like christians. so i suppose christians also believe god was once a man from the planet Kolob who ascended to divine status. He then had sex with his wife who gave birth to mankind. Why they're so much alike you can hardly tell the difference at all can you.
Yep Mormons believe exactly the same thing that you believe, well except for the god is a married alien thing who was once a man and that you can't be purified by the blood of christ alone.
Just how similiar are christians and mormons again?? about as similiar as say maybe branch davidians and christians perhaps.
Grizzly Bear

Ashland, KY

#18 Oct 1, 2012
wtfever wrote:
oh, mormons are just like christians. so i suppose christians also believe god was once a man from the planet Kolob who ascended to divine status. He then had sex with his wife who gave birth to mankind. Why they're so much alike you can hardly tell the difference at all can you.
Yep Mormons believe exactly the same thing that you believe, well except for the god is a married alien thing who was once a man and that you can't be purified by the blood of christ alone.
Just how similiar are christians and mormons again?? about as similiar as say maybe branch davidians and christians perhaps.
Mormons are a peaceful people. They are not trying to kill Americans!!!!!!

Religion is not a requirement to be President of the USA!!!!

A Mormon who believes in Jesus Christ will be a better President!!!!!

The only real requirement for salvation and Heaven is belief in Jesus Christ!!!!!
preacher

United States

#19 Oct 1, 2012
no person who is a person of Christian, Catholic, Protestant, faith can vote for Obama who is so pro abortion as Obama if you do your soul is doomed.
pro Obama Catholic

United States

#20 Oct 1, 2012
I am Catholic and I am against abortion. But I cannot legislate my beliefs on you. Abortion should be a medical issue,not a political one. I am also against the death penalty (lots of innocents have been executed). I also believe in the Beatitudes and caring for the elderly, poor, widows, and orphans.

p.s. most mainstream religions do not accept Mormon baptism, does your church? Ask your preacher.
Baptist

United States

#21 Oct 1, 2012
if your religion is against contraception how can you be for Obama who forces people of the Catholic faith to supply it under his healthcare bill.

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