2012 US Presidential Election Odds

2012 US Presidential Election Odds

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“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#1 Sep 8, 2012
09/08/2012
Winning Party Line Moneyline
Democratic -205 Bet $20.50 to win $10.00
Republican +165 Bet $10.00 to win $16.50
Joker

Ashland, KY

#2 Sep 8, 2012
Can we actually afford to re-elect Obama?

Say what you want about Bush, but Bush fought 2 wars after 8 years of heavy military cuts, and constantly had to fight an uphill battle just to get the support he needed to fight those wars due to constant demonization from the left, and a media determined to emphasize every single bad thing it could possibly scratch up. And Obama still managed to spend more in his first year than Bush did on the entirety of 2 wars, and Obama played the pull-out, sit, and wait game in the war, so you know this war on terror hasn't cost him nearly as much.

But that's not even why I'm asking this question. I had no idea of the actual contrast between the two measured in the national debt.

My goodness, Bush rose the debt dramatically, that's for sure, but it's expected when one is fighting a war and having to fight another uphill battle back at home just to do it.

But Bush took 8 years and a Congress fairly influenced by Democrats who wanted him to fail, and then a Democrat-controlled Congress that won in 2006, that also played the reject everything Republican game. It's no wonder our economy had a hard time improving, and then never improved after Democrats took Congress.

But this is still not why I'm asking. I'm asking because Bush, who actually has an excuse as to why the debt rose so dramatically under him pails in comparison to how much the debt has risen under Obama. The amount that Bush rose the debt in 8 full years and 2 wars is actually less than Obama has managed to raise the debt in just 3.5 years!!!!!!!!!

Imagine another 3.5 years, he's literally going to double the debt he took office with because Democrats refuse to acknowledge that they have any fault in our economic issues, that their way, what Obama's been doing over the last 3.5 years is what needs to be done.

Obama's not going to halve the debt as he promised, he is going to do just the opposite, just like most of what Obama's promised. Obama's going to double the debt. The debt was at, what, 10.5 trillion when Obama and the Democrats took record control of government, amounting to more than any other party has had in the history of the United States, and now the debt's topped over 16 trillion in a mere 3 and a half years?! Really liberal?! Are you stupid?! Or just ignorant. Well now you're no longer ignorant.

Obama doesn't have the 2 wars after 8 years of drastic military cuts to say why it cost so much. Obama doesn't have Republicans resisting him every time he wants to send supplies overseas like Bush did, thus Obama doesn't have to add money for Republican special interests in order to placate those Republican politicians just so that the troops overseas can be fed and armed properly. In fact, Obama hasn't done much, if any real military action overseas since he took over except for retreating from Iraq and holding the then currently established bases.

All Obama has is the recession to blame. Not even the Great Depression managed to cost so much, where spending massively became the norm. Obama only has this recession that was estimated to drop unemployment to 8% if we DIDN'T pass the stimulus as he wanted. But we did, and our unemployment went way over 8%.

Can we honestly afford another 4 years of Obamanomics? Really?! The cry was bad enough when it took 8 years, but it only took Obamanomics 3.5 years. Can we afford another 5 trillion by 2015?

We're already just about to reach our debt ceiling, the point where our interest supersedes the amount government can actually physically spend.

Ron Paul's right people, when it comes to the economy, and I hope whoever wins this next election realizes this.

Are the Mayans right, December what? Sure it wasn't November 6th ... when Obama wins this next election?
Debra

Ashland, KY

#3 Sep 8, 2012
No, we cannot afford to have Obama back in power.. not only financially, but because if we wish to preserve this country, we had better not re-elect him.

“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#4 Sep 8, 2012
How we added $9 trillion in debt since 2001
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> 2001 & 2003 Bush tax cuts = 27%($2.4T)
> Additional INTEREST costs = 23%($2.1T)
> War in Iraq & Afghanistan = 22%($1.9T)
> Economic stimulus package under Obama = 13%($1.2T)
> 2010 tax cuts (compromise by Obama & Republicans extending jobless benefits & cutting payroll taxes)= 7%($630B)
> 2003 creation of Medicare's Rx drug benefit = 5%($450B)
> 2008 financial industry bailout = 3%($270B)

The only gorup seeing solid income growth (since 1979) is at the top and much of their growth is secured by government favoritism and welfare for the rich. THINK THIS ISN'T SO? How is it that a hedge fund manager pays taxes at a much lower rate than your typical construction worker or miner?

This is the new kind of system we live in and spending $9 trillion did VERY LITTLE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. 1 out of 3 Americans have NO SAVINGS to their name so what are they financially trying to protect? A large portion of the population has bought into the notion that somehow these political parties are out to HELP THEM. Some movements have been taken over by corporate interests and no longer stay true to the core of their mission.

LABELS ARE MISLEADING BUT THE STRATEGY IS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER. But when we look at the data carefully there is only a very small portion of the population that is benefitting from all this misinformation and political nonsense.

It would be one thing if this was all free market based but the bulk of the tax breaks go to the extremely wealthy. IF YOU HAVE NO JOB OR BARELY MAKE ANY MONEY WHAT USE IS A TAX BREAK OR LOWER TAXES?

Do people even realize that many of the bailed out companies, especially the banks now invest overseas and create jobs in other countries with U.S. taxpayer dollars?

Most Americans would rather have a healthy economy instead of seeing their tax rate fall and having an economy that is producing low wage capitalism jobs. We have spent so much in so many areas that it has had only a tiny impact on the middle class.

“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#5 Sep 21, 2012
09/21/2012
Winning Party Line Moneyline
Democratic -350 Bet $350 to win $100
Republican +275 Bet $100 to win $275

“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#6 Oct 1, 2012
10/01/2012
Winning Party Line Moneyline
Democratic -190 Bet $190 to win $100
Republican +155 Bet $100 to win $155

Republicans gaining but democrats odds on favorite.
DemsRule12

Ashland, KY

#7 Oct 1, 2012
LOL....today's odds of an Obama victory - still 75%. Is Anyone Out There, what a moron you are. Bush's useless wars and tax cuts for the wealthy are a good reason for deficit spending, but Obama's cleanup expense and health care reform AREN'T good reasons? You're too dumb to vote.

“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#8 Oct 1, 2012
DemsRule12 wrote:
LOL....today's odds of an Obama victory - still 75%. Is Anyone Out There, what a moron you are. Bush's useless wars and tax cuts for the wealthy are a good reason for deficit spending, but Obama's cleanup expense and health care reform AREN'T good reasons? You're too dumb to vote.
Takes one to know one. You are so biased it is totaly transparent you would vote democratic if they ran a real jackass. Oh sorry they are. LOL.

BTW I wouldn't vote for Romney either.

“These are the good old days.”

Since: Mar 12

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#9 Oct 1, 2012
It is pretty clear that the "election" is all fixed, and is nothing more than theater to maintain the illusion that this is somehow still a functioning representative republic.

The Republic is dead and has been for years. To participate in this election cycle is to deny that reality. We are in an interstitial political space between the now dead First American Republic and whatever is going to come next. Participating in what is clearly a fraudulent electoral cycle is supporting the establishment of tyranny as the next system of governance.

Obama isn't even trying and is in fact making gaffes and antagonizing the country on a daily basis. This is the most compelling evidence that the Obama regime knows that the results of the "election" have already been determined, so they aren't even bothering to try. Clint Eastwood creates the "empty chair" meme and then two weeks later Obama refuses to meet with a single leader at the U.N., thus confirming the "empty chair" meme in the boldest possible terms - and you think Axelrod, Plouffe and the rest don't perceive this? Of course they do. They just don't CARE, because they already know that the "election" is fixed.

Likewise, Romney appears to be trying to throw the election, much like McCain. Romney, if he were a serious candidate, would be jumping all over Obama and his daily acts of treason, and instead is just doing enough to make it look like he is trying, without ever doing any real damage to Obama. Oh, and let's not forget that Romney holds basically the same positions as Obama, and has actually implemented those positions (RomneyCare, government funded abortion on demand, sodomite marriage, gun control) in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I'm not falling for it.

Two predictions:

1. Obama will be given all of the questions before the debate and will have canned answers for every question. Given what you have seen from the "media" in this country just over the last few MONTHS, do you have any doubt whatsoever that they would even hesitate to cheat? There is no way Obama could possibly engage in honest debate. He lacks the intellect to speak extemporaneously, much less to debate extemporaneously. The media in this country is now more dishonest than Pravda in the Soviet Union. And you doubt for a second that they will give Obama all of the questions in advance? Come on.

2. Romney is going to get some sort of position in Obama's "second term" regime. Romney isn't throwing an election for free. I could totally see Obama naming Romney to a cabinet or czar position. SECTREAS? Why not? The damage is already done and irreversible. Let Romney twist in the wind as SECTREAS while the economy collapses while Timmy Geithner lands an eight-or-nine-figure spot at Goldman or JP Morgan. My point is, I don't think Romney is just going to quietly go home to LaJolla.
Chucky

Ashland, KY

#10 Oct 1, 2012
DemsRule12 wrote:
LOL....today's odds of an Obama victory - still 75%. Is Anyone Out There, what a moron you are. Bush's useless wars and tax cuts for the wealthy are a good reason for deficit spending, but Obama's cleanup expense and health care reform AREN'T good reasons? You're too dumb to vote.
Economists know the problem started with Clinton. He collapsed the tech bubble; he set the stage for the mortgage collapse; he set the stage for the recession that started in 2000-2001. GDP has been above 4% only once since Clinton and only did that because of the Bush tax cuts.
Pumpkin Bread

Ashland, KY

#12 Oct 10, 2012
From the Dennis Miller Show....

Obama better hope a Kicked A** is covered under Obamacare.
wtfever

Lancaster, OH

#13 Oct 10, 2012
Chucky wrote:
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Economists know the problem started with Clinton. He collapsed the tech bubble; he set the stage for the mortgage collapse; he set the stage for the recession that started in 2000-2001. GDP has been above 4% only once since Clinton and only did that because of the Bush tax cuts.
from the same people who say you can't blame bush for the economy. now you're blaming clinton. a man who hasn't been in office for 12 years. way to go.
everyone else knows the economy collapsed as a result of deregulation under bush. 2 wars unfunded under bush. tax breaks under bush.
block doctor

Ashland, KY

#14 Oct 10, 2012
yes you can blame bush but Obama been office for 4year and control of both houses for 2 year and all we got was more debt an no Jobs
Same O Same O

Flatwoods, KY

#15 Oct 10, 2012
ISANYONEOUTTHERE wrote:
10/01/2012
Winning Party Line Moneyline
Democratic -190 Bet $190 to win $100
Republican +155 Bet $100 to win $155
Republicans gaining but democrats odds on favorite.
Go ahead and bet, but if you were as wize that you think you are the best odds would be betting republican. These polls don't mean shit. Most decent Americans have had it with this administration. You will see people that hasn't voted for years vote this time just like the blacks did with Obama. He by far is the worst president we have ever had and your a fool to think otherwise. If you were honest with yourself you know he is and if this was a white republican you know for a fact you would want him out of there to. But thats it,theres no such thing as a honest democrat.
Hairy Legs

Ashland, KY

#16 Oct 11, 2012
Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that either the Democratic or Republican party has produced at least since I've been around. He's fresh, he's new, he's insightful.

Quote - Joe Biden
Same O Same O

Flatwoods, KY

#17 Oct 11, 2012
Hairy Legs wrote:
Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that either the Democratic or Republican party has produced at least since I've been around. He's fresh, he's new, he's insightful.
Quote - Joe Biden
Sounds like Ol joe has a little crush. Wouldn't surprize me after they both get their ass kicked this Nov they both dump those ugly hoes they are married to and they will shock the world and become the first Bi-racial Bi-sexual X-vice and X-president couple to ever marry. Don't laugh its the democratic party and you know anything wouldn't shock me what they are capable of.

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