Harassment by Irondequoit Police Depa...

Harassment by Irondequoit Police Department

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suzanne

United States

#1 Oct 31, 2006
A few months ago I was stopped, late at night, by an Irondequoit policeman for no actual provication. It was more of a "curiosity" stop. The injustice escalated from there to where I have now been found guilty of a charge different from the reason the policeman gave for the stop, which I believe may be due to the fear, by the police department, of a law suit. I have since heard that many other people have also felt unfairly harassed by this police department and would appreciate hearing from others who have also been victims of these over-zealous public servants.
Adam

Newark, NY

#2 Nov 12, 2006
Recently i had an experience with Officer Tom Fitzak of the Irondequoit Police Department. He entered the premises without a Knock on the door and an announcement of who he was which is illegal. He then searched illegally from my knowledge. They did not give a reason why they entered... but they just did. I was harrased after the fact i told them i know my rights i study criminal justice and someday plan to be a cop as well, and i was told to shut my mouth. i asked what i could be charged with and it wasnt made clear. All in all we were let go but the officer later shared chewing tobacco with a fellow kid which i believe is very unprofessional. They played the good cop bad cop game which i know how it works due to my work with the RPD Special Operations Unit. i Was then told that i could never be a cop and that i did not work with the RPD. i am sure this is a good man like most cops are but i just believe he acted wrong and would like to be heard
suzanne

Fairport, NY

#3 Nov 13, 2006
Thanks for your input, Adam. I plan to schedule an appt. with the Chief of Police, Richard Boyan, and will let him know of your experience. Like you, I feel that most policeman are good...even the two who harassed me. But they need to learn to exercise appropiate behavior for each individual situation. Much to my surprise, and that of everyone who knew of my situation, I was found guilty of "improper lane change"...even though there is only one lane on that street in the area my "violation" occured...and also, inspite of the fact that initially I had been told ...after persisting in asking what provocation the policeman had for stopping me...I had been "crowding the line" (meaning the line the marks where the bicycle lane starts). In court I provided 3 pictures that were time dated so it was evident these photos were taken within one minute's time, that showed 4 different vehicles "crowding the line"...just to show that many people drive more towards the right than towards the center. I also presented more info regarding the unprofessional behavior of the two policemen...but, I was still found guilty...which I had been told by several people familiar with the case is what would happen because the town may be fearful of a law suit, based on what took place that evening. I think it is important for people to speak up when they feel they have been treated unfairly by any police department...if they can do it in a constructive, non-abusive way. Not everyone who is treated badly has the incentive or courage to speak up. So, I would encourage you to let Chief Boyan know about your experience. Good Luck!!!!:-) Suzanne
Former Upstater

Maple Ridge, Canada

#4 Jan 5, 2007
Cops can't stop you for "no reason". If this is true, he could lose his job over something so petty. Same idea with the warrantless search. There must be more to the story. Remember that all police officers are not bad and out to get you. If you give officers respect, they, more often than not, will respect you. If you believe this officer was out of line, I hope you contacted his supervisor. You have every right to do so.
Jimmy

Rochester, NY

#5 Jan 25, 2007
I got two tickets for the same thing on the same street before I could even make it home. They clame they ran my plates "at random" and their computer said I had no insurance. Even though I did, and I had a valid insurance card in the car. They still towed my car and made me post bail.
Screw Johny Law

Geneva, NY

#6 Jan 25, 2007
Irondequoit cops are the worst of the worst city wide unless you consider state troopers. Irondequoit cops love writing tons of tickets and mess with people. I personally think that cops have to much power and let make make you realize something people THEY'RE VIOLATING YOU just my making you wear your seatbelt in your own car. Cops job is to f*$# with people and be dickheads its just the facts of life suck it up and deal with it...
Bill

Brockport, NY

#7 Feb 7, 2007
Recently I was called by a police officer in the town of Gates Ny he left a message to call him back about an incident that occured at a local charity event that I attended with my wife. I was confussed as to what this incident was. but I made several attempts to contact this officer who then never called me back. Three days later I recieved a letter in the mail stating that I was being charged with Harassment 2nd .What I found out was a local attorney which lost a lawsuit against me was at this event and he falsly filed a report with this department. I have been harassed by this attorney in the past on several occasions with proof and witnesses. However when I tried to have him charged with the very same thing the police told me that the harassement law did not apply. Yet based on the word of this man alone I was finger printed photographed and could have lost my job! Where is the consistantcy in Justice?
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#8 Mar 11, 2007
Suzanne, let take your incident first, you got a ticket for crowding the line or better known as " Failing to obey a traffic control device". Yes that littl white line does mean something and yes it is a traffic control device in accordance with the definition within the New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law. So, yes you can be written a ticket for that. Many people don't a have a great working knowledge of the V&T and thus are shocked when they get a ticket for something they don't understand.

Now on to Adam, let me see if if I get this correctly, the police were just randomly called to a location where you were and just walked in the door........riiiggght. Please give us the details because you have left some details out and it's that obvious. Let's move on to your so called knowledge of the law. You are a criminal Justice student, which is just that, a student, you haven't been to the police academy and you only do ride alongs or have been with some police officers in the city and see what has been done there. That doesn't constitute that you know what your talking about when it comes to police work. And I can tell you no one wants to hear from a student trying to act as those he is an attorney when more than likely your wrong to begin with. Tell us the whole story from the beginning, why were the police called ? and for what ? If they were called there on a 911 call or a walk up they have a legal right and obligation, thus they can enter your home without knocking, they have a legal basis for being there.
Bad Area

Honeoye Falls, NY

#9 Mar 11, 2007
Bill wrote:
Recently I was called by a police officer in the town of Gates Ny he left a message to call him back about an incident that occured at a local charity event that I attended with my wife. I was confussed as to what this incident was. but I made several attempts to contact this officer who then never called me back. Three days later I recieved a letter in the mail stating that I was being charged with Harassment 2nd .What I found out was a local attorney which lost a lawsuit against me was at this event and he falsly filed a report with this department. I have been harassed by this attorney in the past on several occasions with proof and witnesses. However when I tried to have him charged with the very same thing the police told me that the harassement law did not apply. Yet based on the word of this man alone I was finger printed photographed and could have lost my job! Where is the consistantcy in Justice?
Well thats awful that happen to you , I OR nonoe of family too much trouble , But 1st Charity effects they are great cause , alot of fun to , You know i never in trouble with the law But i can say some cops most very cocky attitude , 1 they remind me little boys playing tough , Cops make fun of a handicapped woman , there was need , another sitution in a tragic our family was faced with 1 cop emotion , a very nice Black cop , The stupid jerk white , not nice at all , this was when family was dealing with a horrible tragic , I not a cop hater , But trouble when theythink above a law , average citizens are catching bad cops are by cam cords great to that , cops lie , Great sitution the cop that took 2 to lifes in horrible auto accident , if other way around an cop is killed or hit by car its the other persons fault , Cops some worst in Rochester nasty , smart mouth , raciest , wise ass smart mouth like this white cop was with remarks ,Then they wonder why people feel way they do , But obey the law like others , Like often horse shit , But your dog craps you not clean up get a ticket. Cops in Rochester and Irondiquiet bad apples , I hear same for Brighton , But more so the better ones , Rochester , and I rondiquiet nasty , In Brockport , ny friendly , mostly young , good looking , compassion and manners .Rochester police force poor , some i know willnot support any more. Well i hope you and wife got over the ordeal ok .
Sahara

Honeoye Falls, NY

#10 Mar 11, 2007
Check with the Law library , as well as Rochester ,Ny library down town division explain sitution ,Have you try to contact the Bar Association , Good Luck . Some think above the law , What goes around will come around and their day will come . Ihave seen police not stop for stop signs in Gates as well as Rochester Ny . Some of the most worst cops in up state NewYork .Good Luck Bill in Gates, Let people know if you take further action.
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#11 Mar 12, 2007
"Some of the most worst cops in up state New York"

What ? of course you are speaking from experience, right Bill, I mean you have evaluated the police around New York State and came to this conculusion ?

Give me a break, you don't know how lucky you have it.
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#12 Mar 15, 2007
You have to nderstand something. When the police run your license, registration and insurance data they have to go by what the computer tells them, not that you have an insurance card in your hand that hasn't expired yet. They don't know if something in the interim has happened to your insurance or not, therefore they have to go by what the computer tells them which is linked to the DMV in Albany. Your insurance may in fact be valid, but if the computer states it's not then more than likely they will issue you a ticket. The ticket will be dismissed if you bring valid documentation to court. I know going to court can be a hassle, but if your legit then you have nothing to worry about.
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#13 Mar 16, 2007
Suzanne,
Firts off, the courts don't care what other cars were doing when you took the pictures, they can ONLY address your situation. You say that you were found guilty, is that correct ? Then you either pleaded guilty or went to trial and lost. Secondly if your turning right for instance, the vehicle and traffic law states that you MUST be as close to the curb when turning, NOT driving, there's a difference. If you drive on the white line, it's a violation, if you cross the white line it's a violation. Thirdly, you say you were harassed just by being stopped, did it ever occur to you that you committed a minor traffic violation ? You shouldn't be so defensive when you get stopped, I'm sure the officers involved know the V&T much better than you do.
Thomas

Honeoye Falls, NY

#14 Mar 16, 2007
Jimmy wrote:
I got two tickets for the same thing on the same street before I could even make it home. They clame they ran my plates "at random" and their computer said I had no insurance. Even though I did, and I had a valid insurance card in the car. They still towed my car and made me post bail.
what if insured and all ok whats wrong then , sue them for emotional distress or something
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#15 Mar 16, 2007
At some point the insurance wasn't valid, just because the insurance card states that your insurance is good from, let's say for example 1-1-07 to 6-1-07 doesn't mean that it's valid, you could have missed a payment and in the interim your insurance was suspended or lapsed. DMV inputs that your insurance is no longer valid, but then you make a late payment since it was suspended, DMV has to go back in the computer and show that your insurance is now valid. But from the time you didn't pay or switched insurance companies until the time you pay or your new insurance company shows valid with DMV, your out of luck. Don't get pissed at the police for doing their job, get mad at DMV, it takes them up to 6 months to catch up on some insurance issues. But no, get mad at the police for doing their job. Let's say you didn't have valid insurance and you got into a serious accident that's your fault. Your left hanging in the dust, god forbid if you kill or seriously injure someone, let alone yourself. Be thankful they checked your registration. That's how stolen cars are found, switched plates, no insurance etc are found. So instead of getting mad, be glad you had an officer looking out for you and everyone on the road.
The new jersey guy

AOL

#16 Apr 13, 2007
Couldn't the cop call the insurance company on the card to see if the insurance was in place at the time of the stop? Would that be fair instead of towing the car away at the owner's
expense? Don't the cops have some responibity?

I had the same thing happened to me in New Jersey, I'm going nuts that the cop just took my car after I show him prove.
MoparNutt

Webster, NY

#17 Apr 13, 2007
No he's not going to call, under the law it is up the individual motorist to make sure that their information is up to date, accurate and current. The only obligation the officer has is once he stops you that he follows the law, and the policy and procedures of the police agency.
The new jersey guy

AOL

#18 Apr 14, 2007
The officer should be obligated to get the facts. They collect a salary for that.

I sent the information to the DMV here in New Jersey. It is not the motorist fault that there is a flawed system. The state police and DMV need to communicate better.
Either that or the Police should MAKE SURE they know what they are doing before taking a private person property. It's a violation of an indivial civil rights.
badge

Webster, NY

#19 Apr 15, 2007
Let's say it Saturday or Sunday, is your DMV open both those days 24 hours a day, I doubt it, so what would you have him do ? Your gripe is not with the police.
You should talk to the DMV, it's not the officers fault, he has to go by what's in the system, so if your going t blame anyone, blame DMV. As far as your property being taken, it's not a violation of your civil right. If your vehicle is towed the officer must conduct and inventory search of your vehicle, secure any valuables, document items turned into the property clerks office, the rst of the property stays in the vehicle at the impound.
allah is a pig

Rochester, NY

#20 May 5, 2007
In many cases there is overlapping insurance coverage. Say you change your polices, if there is an over lap, then DMV in Albany showes that you have no insurance at all. You must go down to you local DMV office with proof of insurance. They will give you a little green piece of pager that does allow you to drive, and you wait for motor vehicels to sort it all out.
When you change insurance companys you really to know when the old policy expires and start the new one at that moment.
Now, the county of mismangement does not get paid for any of this so be forceful if neccessary, they only want cash transactions, not whats right.

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