Adam McFadden's new anti-loitering law on street corners

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Steve

Penfield, NY

#5 Aug 28, 2013
McFadden lives for cameras in his face. For the first time he is making sense.

Only problem is enforcing it without violating people's human rights (and you know that's coming - ACLU will have a field day). He knows it won't fly, the thugs know it, so does RPD brass -- but uninformed taxpayers love this stuff. He's fighting for us!

Not so fast.

McFadden is about self promotion (but so are all politicians). He got a couple of minutes on the news. He may get his idea passed. Implementation will be the real story. Will it just move the crime down the street? Will it be tied up in court? Is it a real solution?
I C Ur at it again

Elizabeth, NJ

#6 Aug 28, 2013
Steel City Steelers 2 wrote:
My thoughts...
1. Does Mr. McFadden believe this will end the never ending shootings, stabbings, muggings ("Apple picking" specifically), endless domestic calls, etc. etc.?
What does "endless domestic calls" have to do with loitering?
Domestic violence isn't religated to geographic location, race(s) or economic status. Logic dictates that the higher the population density the
higher call volume for personal conflicts will represent that.
For argument sake, let's say the population outside of the City(County) is equal to that of the City. You would find that overall, the County PD's respond to the same amount, if not more, of DV calls as RPD.
The problem is people call upon the Police to resolve their conflicts instead of doing it themselves or seeking out other alternatives.

Since: Jan 11

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#7 Aug 28, 2013
Enforcing the laws on the books, no reduced sentences, repeal the SAFENY law. That's where I would start. Maybe they need a better drug task force to sting the open air MFers. Or add a hunting stamp to the sportsmen licence to allow hunters to bag a few dealers.
Das right chillren

Rochester, NY

#9 Aug 28, 2013
Adam McFadden:

RPD too busy with priority calls to crack down on these corners.

Drug Free Zone Signs will free police from priority calls allowing more time to deal with functionally illiterate, lowlife mofos who can't read the signs.
Truth

Rochester, NY

#10 Aug 28, 2013
RPD is too busy arresting people for non sense to solve any real crimes. What a messed up group of goons.
Truth

Rochester, NY

#11 Aug 28, 2013
I think we can all agree that McFadden is our hero

“STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD”

Since: May 11

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#12 Aug 28, 2013
I think even if it passes city council it will be challenged in the courts because it is not illegal to be standing on a street corner or public sidewalk. It's only illegal if you obstruct vehicle or pedestrian traffic. The RPD also had a jump out squad for this back in the late 80's, it was shut down by the courts because it was not illegal to be on the corner or sidewalk.
Wink Wink

Walnut, CA

#14 Aug 29, 2013
Easy to solve. Light the corners well, install CCTV cameras and shot recorders.

Then have a few cops walking a beat in the area (or in the summertime on bikes like Las Vegas). It worked in NY and LA, perps don't like cameras or nearby cops. They go away (and find another less public location).

Doesn't solve the problem, but moves it away from residential sections where 'civilians' that could get caught in the cross fire.
Shots Fired

Elizabeth, NJ

#15 Aug 29, 2013
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
. The RPD also had a jump out squad for this back in the late 80's, it was shut down by the courts because it was not illegal to be on the corner or sidewalk.
Where do you come up with this BS???
The HIT Squad was disbanded because it became a LE street gang and was engaged in the same criminal activity as the criminals it's was supposed to be locking up. But your right about one thing, the Courts shut it down when they were brought up on Federal charges.

“STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD”

Since: May 11

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#16 Aug 29, 2013
Steel City Steelers 2 wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent points. Yes, it is not currently illegal to loiter. McFadden wants to make it illegal. That was the gist of what he said today.
Actually there are loitering laws on the books already. The NYS Penal has these laws but you need several elements combined for it to be illegal. What McFadden wants is a city ordinance against loitering. As far as the cameras, well they are already there and the drug dealers got off the corners and just moved down to the middle of the street out of view of the cameras. Best way to stop this is to saturate specific areas for extended periods of time and make it an undesirable place to be. The dealers will move locations, hopefully into a house where a search warrant could be obtained after they had a couple of buys into them. Other part that comes into play are the courts. The sentences need to be strong.
Ha Ha

Iraq

#17 Aug 29, 2013
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there are loitering laws on the books already. The NYS Penal has these laws but you need several elements combined for it to be illegal. What McFadden wants is a city ordinance against loitering. As far as the cameras, well they are already there and the drug dealers got off the corners and just moved down to the middle of the street out of view of the cameras. Best way to stop this is to saturate specific areas for extended periods of time and make it an undesirable place to be. The dealers will move locations, hopefully into a house where a search warrant could be obtained after they had a couple of buys into them. Other part that comes into play are the courts. The sentences need to be strong.
Althoug I agree with you about the courts being a major part of the process to get rid of crime, I also believe that if you legalize the drugs, tax the snot out of it ... a lot of this drug crime will go away. just like prohabition.
Truth

Rochester, NY

#18 Aug 29, 2013
Truth wrote:
RPD is too busy arresting people for non sense to solve any real crimes. What a messed up group of goons.
I'm glad that when you rip off peoples names that you can't manage to post any way close to how they would post.

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Since: May 11

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#19 Aug 29, 2013
The problem with legalizing drugs is that someone will still bring them into the country illegally and sell them illegally. It would be like the mafia trying to control gambling all over again. It won't work.
Ha Ha

Iraq

#20 Aug 29, 2013
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
The problem with legalizing drugs is that someone will still bring them into the country illegally and sell them illegally. It would be like the mafia trying to control gambling all over again. It won't work.
Again ... You are right about this, a great example is the untaxed cigarettes from the indian reservations and the drugs people buy in canada and bring down to NY.

BUT, I believe that the LARGE scale drug cartels will lose too much money for this small time stuff.
If it were legal, there are a lot of folks who would rather just buy the taxed & regulated stuff to avoid jail and still get high.
There are many law enforcement people who beleive this.

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Smugtown Ignorance

Rochester, NY

#21 Aug 29, 2013
Steel City Steelers 2 wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent points. Yes, it is not currently illegal to loiter. McFadden wants to make it illegal. That was the gist of what he said today.
so it's a must you stand by your hero. you know he's wrong. Give him some loving and tell him to knock it off.
Bovenzi

Rochester, NY

#22 Aug 29, 2013
What areas will not be a drug free zone?

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