Car slammed by pick-up, driver dies

Car slammed by pick-up, driver dies

There are 77 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Apr 11, 2008, titled Car slammed by pick-up, driver dies. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A 67-year-old man died when he turned into the path of an oncoming pick-up truck early Friday morning.

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Tracey

Traverse City, MI

#21 Apr 11, 2008
To Tina and the other folks that knew this man: May you find comfort in the lord as he will guide you all through this very difficult time in our journey through life here on earth. My father is 71 and he is a great driver.......they call it an accident for a reason, I agree with the loud stero, cell phones, text while driving and too many "youngsters" in a car at a time cause way more accidents than 67 year old drivers! May peace be to the driver of the Dodge as well, he too will have to deal with this the rest of his life! God Bless!
Wyoming Bob

Louisville, CO

#22 Apr 11, 2008
Wisen UP Michigan wrote:
TO ANSWER 'MyWhining Bob':
It should be the financial responsibility of the driver to provide a Physician's Notice of unimpaired ability to operate a vehicle safely; keep yer keys on until the time when this is no longer possible, no driver health test from State necessary. Same as you paying for your own insurance...
One also should be able to HEAR emergency sirens, or someone's horn (& from which direction), as that could also save a life; maybe to warn YOU about a tire or smoke/fire, or that you left your monocle on the trunk, etc...
what are you talking about? Hearing is not required by law as far as i know. i wasn't being a smart ass i was asking legitamate questions or points of interest about whether or not hearing is a requirement i am not sure . i do know that you have to have sight in at least one eye. i was also pointing out that with the loud stereos in vehicles that the driver and occupents will be losing their ability to hear in the future as well as the ability to hear while playing such. where did you figure i was complaining?
Wisen UP Michigan

Alaska Peninsula Nwr, AK

#23 Apr 11, 2008
To Wyoming Bob :

...From all the capital letters
I certainly agree w/you about the audio systems...

I will adhere to a Physician's Notice proposal, although the age (when to begin such) is a seriously debatable arbitrary number offending many, w/no hard scientific data on which to start, as well as not expecting the State to pony up more man-hours/paperwork/expense testing those suspected of doubtful abilities.

Thanks, to you and all who are seriously looking
at this situation...

FTR - my entire family is in your area, and I'm moving back soon...
Lisa in GR

Littleton, CO

#24 Apr 12, 2008
I have a 91 year old neighbor who is sharp as a tack. He is very active and driving all over the place. I think it depends on the individual. Just because someone is "elderly" doesn't mean they will cause an accident. Younger people cause accidents all the time!
anne

Port Orchard, WA

#25 Apr 12, 2008
anyone edit this....what does it say? was any of it needed?
TGS

Kalamazoo, MI

#26 Apr 12, 2008
Tina Ireland wrote:
<quoted text>
TGS a quick question for you? WHERE YOU THERE AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT? IF YOU WERE MY FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU IN PERSON TO GET THE TRUE FACTS. If you were not then how do you know the facts?
Please tell us!
Yes I was there, right after the accident.
KCC

Greenville, MI

#27 Apr 12, 2008
I am friends with the family. The grand children read this I am glad there are people with some feeling for the ones who have lost someone reads this and sees more than an age. He was a nice man. I have noticed the weather change and people arent driving the way they should which is safely. Anyone else notice this. Weather changes and more accidents come with warm weather.
AMT

Caledonia, MI

#28 Apr 12, 2008
Wyoming Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I DARE YOU TO COME TAKE MY KEYS! AT WHAT AGE ARE YOU GOING TO TURN OVER YOURS? YOU ARE SO FULL OF YOURSELF YOU REEK! AT WHAT AGE SHOULD ONE TURN OVER THEIR KEYS? ELDERLY ? WHAT AGE DOES ONE BECOME ELDERLY? 40?,50?, PLEASE TELL US. I JUST RENEWED MY LICENSE and from WHAT I WITNESSED I AS WELL AS ALL BEFORE ME HAD A VISION TEST.
This is the exact reason that people are not safe on the roads. If other peoplehave this attitude, no wonder we are having such a hard time getting people off the road who shouldn't be on it in the first place.

If you are able to collect social security, you are technically considered "elderly" or a "senior citizen" or a "mature adult." Call it whatever you want.

You need to STOP SHOUTING. It's a pain to read your posts. You are obviously upset, and I will try to avoid the area of Wyoming, as you are probably a driver that shouldn't be on the road in the first place!
dimples

Traverse City, MI

#29 Apr 12, 2008
thank you for you comment this is johns neice to whom ever thinks 67 is old you are mistaken things happen to all ages and this is one of those things so please think before you speak. he will be missed by all of his family he was a loving careing guy and my heart is broken
dimples

Traverse City, MI

#30 Apr 12, 2008
Gail in Wyoming wrote:
That's a sad story, and 67 is not that old. My prayers are with that family who lost someone, I'm sure, who is special to them.
than you this is johns neice he called me dimples alot of people think 67 is old but i would like them to stop by where i work and i will show them old. he will be missed by all of us people need to think befor they speak because family members of lost ones do read thes comments so thank you for being so kind you us at our time of need
dimples

Traverse City, MI

#31 Apr 12, 2008
GREGORY wrote:
SEMI TRUCKS Use both lines when turnning right at this enter section! MY QUESTION IS ? WAS THE DODGE PICKUP PASSING THE SEMI TRUCK IN THE ONCOMING LANE? I"AM ONLY 42 & TURN LEFT ON TO M21 5 OR 6 TIMES WEEK AFTER WORK ! AND SOMETIMES HAVE TO BACK UP SO SEMI TRUCKS CAN CLEAR THE CORNER. MY FAMILY WILL MISS U JOHN SR.
this is johns neice and that is my question to and you are right i try to avoid that area for that reason. we also will miss him he will always hold a special place in my heart
TGS

Kalamazoo, MI

#32 Apr 12, 2008
It is all in the police report, file a FOIA when it is complete and you will see.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#33 Apr 12, 2008
As one who is called to fill out the accident reports, I would like to point out a majority of the accident reports I have taken over many years, has come more from teenagers driving, as well as those on cell phones or distracted drivers and very few from older drivers. Here's one... "DRAG RACING ON 52ND STREET SENDS 2 TO THE HOSPITAL VIA HELICOPTER". Over the last couple years, there have been many headlines about kids being killed in accidents. Alcohol is also a BIG factor in many crashes. How many of you who speak against older drivers, have or had teenagers that you provide cell phones to, pay insurance for and provide cars, and sometimes sports cars to your 16+ year old kids, so inexperienced drivers have the ability to drive and text or call friends at the same time. In my experiences, older drivers tend to be more cautious than those of us who spread ourselves too thin and are always in a hurry. My sympathies to both families in this tragedy!

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, CO

#34 Apr 12, 2008
AMT wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the exact reason that people are not safe on the roads. If other peoplehave this attitude, no wonder we are having such a hard time getting people off the road who shouldn't be on it in the first place.
If you are able to collect social security, you are technically considered "elderly" or a "senior citizen" or a "mature adult." Call it whatever you want.
You need to STOP SHOUTING. It's a pain to read your posts. You are obviously upset, and I will try to avoid the area of Wyoming, as you are probably a driver that shouldn't be on the road in the first place!
Caps are easier for me to read so what. BTW my wife has been drawing SSI since she was 35 is now only 40 but but your deffinition she was "elderly" at 35 and you are how old ? I guess you better think about turning in your keys huh? UPSET why would i get upset with you AMT= Another Moronic Text.?
Ionia Resident

Allegan, MI

#35 Apr 12, 2008
I passed the accident scene that morning - and every morning, I see many of the same things that could lead to the same type of accident - People in a hurry - people not looking left, right,left - people punching their gas peddles as they crest over the hill leaving Ionia. It just happened to be that day, and those two people --it wasn't age - it was timing!
jjv

United States

#36 Apr 12, 2008
For the record, I agree there should be more aggressive testing for EVERYONE when renewing a drivers license. Also for the record, as a victim advocate who spent 10 plus years helping make the notifications after these types of accidents, I have to say that I never had an "elderly" driver dead on scene. For some reason, it was always the younger ones....
Wyoming Bob...not that I defend anything that AMT has to say...but technically SSI is different than Social Security...but, you're point is good!
GR Exile

Breckenridge, CO

#37 Apr 12, 2008
As someone who has lived in Florida, and Nevada, I've had my share of "elderly driver" incidents where I thought they were driving a little... odd. And, I do think at some point, as we age, we should again be tested for driving safety, maybe starting at the mid 60s perhaps? However, I don't think just because someone was "elderly" we can automatically assume that was the cause of the accident.

My condolences to the family.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#38 Apr 12, 2008
AMT wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the exact reason that people are not safe on the roads. If other peoplehave this attitude, no wonder we are having such a hard time getting people off the road who shouldn't be on it in the first place.
If you are able to collect social security, you are technically considered "elderly" or a "senior citizen" or a "mature adult." Call it whatever you want.
You need to STOP SHOUTING. It's a pain to read your posts. You are obviously upset, and I will try to avoid the area of Wyoming, as you are probably a driver that shouldn't be on the road in the first place!
You aren't considered "elderly", a "Senior Citizen" or a "Mature Adult" if you collect SSI. Many collect SSI for a number of reasons. Kids at 5 years old who have lost a parent, are eligible for SSI, Mentally and Physically disabled (Unable to work) can collect it. This does not make them unfit to drive. Police have the ability to refer those they feel unfit to drive, to the Secretary of State for Re-exam. Granted, some fall through the cracks. The process we have is actually quite good. Unfortunately it's the younger generation and alcohol that are the biggest cause of accidents. This system could be better. That is why insurances are so high for younger drivers, drunk drivers and those who can't follow the laws. Currently the State of Michigan is collecting data on Accident reports, where cell phones were being used at the time of the accident, to determine whether a law prohibiting such actions while driving in necessary.
WYOMING MOM

United States

#39 Apr 12, 2008
Zuker wrote:
As one who is called to fill out the accident reports, I would like to point out a majority of the accident reports I have taken over many years, has come more from teenagers driving, as well as those on cell phones or distracted drivers and very few from older drivers. Here's one... "DRAG RACING ON 52ND STREET SENDS 2 TO THE HOSPITAL VIA HELICOPTER". Over the last couple years, there have been many headlines about kids being killed in accidents. Alcohol is also a BIG factor in many crashes. How many of you who speak against older drivers, have or had teenagers that you provide cell phones to, pay insurance for and provide cars, and sometimes sports cars to your 16+ year old kids, so inexperienced drivers have the ability to drive and text or call friends at the same time. In my experiences, older drivers tend to be more cautious than those of us who spread ourselves too thin and are always in a hurry. My sympathies to both families in this tragedy!
I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY ,,PEOPLE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE ACCIDENT ..THERE USUALLY BETWEEN 17 TO 30..BECAUSE OF THERE INEXPERIANCE IN DRIVING THINKING THEY CAN DO LIKE ALOT OF US STUPID PEOPLE (YES IVE BEEN ON MY CELL) BUT IM VERY CAUTIOUS..IVE ALREADY BEEN HIT BY A NON EXPERIANCED DRIVER OF 20..WHO WAS REACHING FOR THERE C.D......ENOUGH SAID..PRAYERS TO THE FAMILYS......SORRY BAD EYES=CAPS
dimples

Traverse City, MI

#40 Apr 13, 2008
Tina Ireland wrote:
I would like to take a moment to thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, to those of you that have defended this great man, and given your thoughts and prayers to this family. You are the real saints in this world..........To all of you that can only say bad things about the gentlemans age and his so called driving skills or abilities......well check this out! This gentleman was the kindest, sweatest person in the world! For you that think just because he was 67 he needed his license pulled your stupid! This man has passed his driving tests and updated his CDL license over the past few years. That's right! He just went back to truck driving after retiring from the state of Michigan. He had to re-certify with passing his driving tests. Not every 67 year old person has failed hearing and failed vision. So before you start be littling the great man that lost his life today maybe you should get all the facts! Maybe you should also know the whole story and wait until results of the final investigation into the accident are in!!! So to defend my friends, family and the man that acted like my father for the past several years, "if you don't have anything nice to say DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!!!"
thank you for that i agree with one hundred percent this great and wonderful is my uncle and he truly wil;l be missed and heart is breaking and to read some of these bad things about him . people should think before they speak. god bless yu uncl john.and god bless all of you who nothing but nice things to say

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