Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,187

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186683 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't it seem silly to your side? Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Here it is from Wikipedia nothing about a man and a woman.

Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations between the spouses, between the spouses and their children, and between the spouses and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. When defined broadly, marriage is considered a cultural universal. In many cultures, marriage is formalized via a wedding ceremony. In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to opposite-sex couples or two persons of opposite gender in the gender binary, and a diminishing number of these permit polygyny, child marriages, and forced marriages. In modern times, a growing number of countries and other jurisdictions have lifted bans on and have established legal recognition for same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, and interfaith marriage. In some cultures, marriage is recommended or compulsory before pursuing any sexual activity.

People marry for many reasons, including: legal, social, libidinal, emotional, financial, spiritual, and religious. Marriages can be performed in a secular civil ceremony or in a religious setting. The act of marriage usually creates normative or legal obligations between the individuals involved. Some cultures allow the dissolution of marriage through divorce or annulment. Polygamous marriages may also occur in spite of national laws.

Marriage can be recognized by a state, an organization, a religious authority, a tribal group, a local community or peers. It is often viewed as a contract. Civil marriage is the legal concept of marriage as a governmental institution irrespective of religious affiliation, in accordance with marriage laws of the jurisdiction. Forced marriages are illegal in some jurisdictions.[2]

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186684 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>I know, they are desperately trying to preserve the sanctity of Britney Spears "just for fun" 3 day marriage.

My marriage is not a failure, come same sex marriage or not, I don’t see any reason not to deny you the same rights, privileges, recognition and yes... the word... that my wife and I have.

18,000 same sex marriages in California didn’t hurt my marriage at all, not sure why their marriages are so fragile that it would hurt theirs. Maybe they should be focused on why their own marriages are so fragile rather than worry about what others are doing.
Thank you for your support and when we get married you and your wife will be invited.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186685 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
40 years from now you will look just as stupid as those that were for their civil rights.
Bingo!

That is why I keep telling people they are standing on the wrong side of history.

You will notice that more and more even of the Republican leadership is realizing this, and changing positions as quickly as they can.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186686 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>Bingo!

That is why I keep telling people they are standing on the wrong side of history.

You will notice that more and more even of the Republican leadership is realizing this, and changing positions as quickly as they can.
I know and I'm proud of them. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. It's hard for me to vote because both sides are messed up.
T Plan

Covina, CA

#186687 Apr 5, 2013
Just bomb the suck out of then offer to rebuild their country after all the "ad guys" are dead.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186688 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Similar to the word "gay" which was understood, in common usage, to mean happy, carefree. Now its been highjacked to refer to homosexuality/homosexuals. The irony is that at one time a gay man was a womanizer. A gay woman a prostitute.
We've come a long way.
Like the word Liberal too, as in our radical liberal founders.

lots of words have changed meanings

Awful doesnt mean anything close to what it originally meant, a beautiful sunset would fill a person with awe.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186689 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, they are desperately trying to preserve the sanctity of Britney Spears "just for fun" 3 day marriage.
Oh but of course.....that's exactly what's being preserved.(Rolls eyes). Let's not forget the nice lesbian couple....you know the one....in their wedding photos one wears the tuxedo, the other, the wedding gown. We have to preserve the "husband and wife".
My marriage is not a failure, come same sex marriage or not, I dont see any reason not to deny you the same rights, privileges, recognition and yes... the word... that my wife and I have.
If he wants the SAME rights, privileges, recognition, and yes....the word....that you and your wife have, then he should also get himself a wife. Makes sense.
18,000 same sex marriages in California didnt hurt my marriage at all, not sure why their marriages are so fragile that it would hurt theirs. Maybe they should be focused on why their own marriages are so fragile rather than worry about what others are doing.
Hmmmmm.....if we follow that logic....SSM wouldn't hurt your, or anyone else's marriage, nor would polygamy, nor marriage between siblings.....why should we limit who can get all those rights, responsibilities, privileges, etc,?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186690 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
I know and I'm proud of them. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. It's hard for me to vote because both sides are messed up.
As proud as I can be, it bothers me that someone cannot make the right decision, until it personally affects them or someone in their immediate family.

These are supposed to be our representatives, it should not have to happen within their own family for them to empathize with the people they represent.

But I should probably only growl about that under my breath, a win is a win.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186691 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. We want equality. Just as blacks had their own bathrooms, drinking fountains etc. yes they had their own bathrooms and water to drink but they also just wanted equality. Just as you want to say we can have civil unions we want marriage. It's the same principal. 40 years from now you will look just as stupid as those that were for their civil rights.
If you want "equality" and "marriage" like everybody else, then marry, enter into a legally recognized, in ALL fifty states, union of husband and wife, like everybody else. Stop arguing for something different and saying you're not.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186692 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmmmm.....if we follow that logic....SSM wouldn't hurt your, or anyone else's marriage, nor would polygamy, nor marriage between siblings.....why should we limit who can get all those rights, responsibilities, privileges, etc,?
Do it

Get the signatures for a ballot measure on those

please take video for You tube

I love the slippery slope arguments. Making Guns legal will lead to making personal atomic weapons legal... it is a slippery slope!

I want pictures of your goat before you propose

Poly is likely to happen at some point... I wont live long enough to worry about the others.
Screech

Covina, CA

#186693 Apr 5, 2013
Both Judy Nelson of the Glendora city council, California and Debbie Neal of the military banner group in Glendora, California are a couple of misguided dangerous FOOLS.

Much to the outrage of parents, some students at a Massachusetts middle school this week were denied lunch. The 25 kids in question weren't allowed to eat because they couldn't afford to pay.

These two screeches' would be in favor of doing what the Mass. middle school did, since they are both tea party member's.

Ad over the hill, useless air breathers.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186694 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Like the word Liberal too, as in our radical liberal founders.
They were also considered rebels, and traitors, to the crown. Mid 19th century Southerners were also considered rebels, and traitors. History is written by the victors.
lots of words have changed meanings
True
Awful doesnt mean anything close to what it originally meant, a beautiful sunset would fill a person with awe.
Up is now down, left is now right, who is on first.....

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186695 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>If you want "equality" and "marriage" like everybody else, then marry, enter into a legally recognized, in ALL fifty states, union of husband and wife, like everybody else. Stop arguing for something different and saying you're not.
Your view is skewed. Blacks couldn't marry whites because you bible bumpers didnt want it how's that working for you?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186696 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Do it
Get the signatures for a ballot measure on those
please take video for You tube
I love the slippery slope arguments. Making Guns legal will lead to making personal atomic weapons legal... it is a slippery slope!
I want pictures of your goat before you propose
Poly is likely to happen at some point... I wont live long enough to worry about the others.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186697 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
They were also considered rebels, and traitors, to the crown. Mid 19th century Southerners were also considered rebels, and traitors. History is written by the victors.
<quoted text>
True
<quoted text>
Up is now down, left is now right, who is on first.....
Oh yes... I like Franklin, treason is a term made up by the winners to use as an excuse for hanging the losers. Or something like that, not a direct quote

I can show logically that black is white

personally I think we are too hung up on words, the word marriage does not frighten me at all. I can have it, they can have it, and their having it does not change my own.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186698 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
That is what I dont understand, I am a heterosexual male, married with 4 kids, none of the happen to be gay. 18,000 same sex couples legally married in California.
My marriage was not harmed in any way, none of my childrens marriages where harmed.
What is the big deal?
They want to deny others happiness, out of what... meanness? spite? they cant claim any harm.
I just dont get what the big deal is, if they want to marry, let them, it harms no one.
Sweetie your absolutely right... It harms no hetero and only serves to strenghten the very things they claim it harms which leaves you with only one motive on there part... Hate!!

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186699 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>If you want "equality" and "marriage" like everybody else, then marry, enter into a legally recognized, in ALL fifty states, union of husband and wife, like everybody else. Stop arguing for something different and saying you're not.
Are skinny people different than fat people? Are tall people different than short. Do some men like big girls as opposed to small. Do some people like mushrooms and some don't. It's all preference. Just as I am attracted to men. Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not. I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution. Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186700 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Do it
Sounds like a Nike commercial.
Get the signatures for a ballot measure on those
please take video for You tube
Why should rights be voted on? Why shouldn't marriage equality apply to everyone? Aren't those a couple of slogans uttered by SSMers?
I love the slippery slope arguments. Making Guns legal will lead to making personal atomic weapons legal... it is a slippery slope!
Great analogy Potsie! How quickly the SSMers scream, "Slipperly slope", "That's not fair", instead of having the honesty to admit they're legitimate possibilities.
I want pictures of your goat before you propose
Easy Big D.....keep your sexual fantasies to yourself. No one mentioned a goat.
Poly is likely to happen at some point...
See.....marriage equality is on the march.
I wont live long enough to worry about the others.
That would be "other", marriage between siblings....basically blood relatives....other than first cousins. So what you're implying is, you won't be around to see the total devaluation of marriage by the state?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186701 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. We want equality. Just as blacks had their own bathrooms, drinking fountains etc. yes they had their own bathrooms and water to drink but they also just wanted equality. Just as you want to say we can have civil unions we want marriage. It's the same principal. 40 years from now you will look just as stupid as those that were for their civil rights.
LOL...please don't insult African Americans.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186702 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Are skinny people different than fat people?
They weigh less and an airline has proposed weighing passengers to determine equal fares.

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