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Jun 30, 2012
 
Please help me. I promised a group of my friends out in california, the Invironmentals that I would help coal out. This was reported by CNN and Fox news. Did I lie? I say no sirree. Vote for me again I will continue help coal out in Martin County.
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i would not vote for obama in my life time when you vote for him you are taking coal miners jobs away from them kids will have no food and no homes to live in people think about this before you vote for him in november martin county lives from coal mines when they are gone what will happen younger families can move away the eldelery people can not afford to what will happen to them we all need to think about this. look what has happen since obama has ben in office
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coal miner wrote:
i would not vote for obama in my life time when you vote for him you are taking coal miners jobs away from them kids will have no food and no homes to live in people think about this before you vote for him in november martin county lives from coal mines when they are gone what will happen younger families can move away the eldelery people can not afford to what will happen to them we all need to think about this. look what has happen since obama has ben in office
They would be forced to get educated. That would be horrible.
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Jul 5, 2012
 
what's education got to do with the coal mines a lot of the miners are too old to get education now so it is good for the young gereration to get education but think about the older men that know nothing but coal mining
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coal miner wrote:
what's education got to do with the coal mines a lot of the miners are too old to get education now so it is good for the young gereration to get education but think about the older men that know nothing but coal mining
This was bound to happen at some point. The baby boomers are starting to retire at least. This area has some mentality that coal miners are gods. You really need a fall back solution when looking for work. If your only plan was to mine coal in life and only go to high school, then I don't know what to tell you.

Now, we are moving towards a much cheaper, safer, cleaner, and more efficient energy solution, while workers here are being left out in the cold. You can't blame the mines, they are a business, not a charity.
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i am noy blaming the mines in any way i am blaming obama for his regulation on the mines men who have worked all their life in a coal mines know nothing else but mining it is to late for them to get an education for another job that is what i am saying.
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coal miner wrote:
i am noy blaming the mines in any way i am blaming obama for his regulation on the mines men
Wrong. It takes 5 years for new EPA guidelines to be put into effect. This was under the Bush administration. This is the 2004 and 2009 guidelines. Republicans have always been anti-union, anti-labor, pro-rich man. Obama has always been pro clean coal. However, this is the bible belt Republican south. Trying to tell the people of Appalachia facts is like pissing into the wind.
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Jul 6, 2012
 

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dur wrote:
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Wrong. It takes 5 years for new EPA guidelines to be put into effect. This was under the Bush administration. This is the 2004 and 2009 guidelines. Republicans have always been anti-union, anti-labor, pro-rich man. Obama has always been pro clean coal. However, this is the bible belt Republican south. Trying to tell the people of Appalachia facts is like pissing into the wind.
you r a stupid person for sure
dur

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coal miner wife wrote:
<quoted text>you r a stupid person for sure
As you can see, no counter argument (not even a poor one) bad spelling /grammar, and name calling. Do some of you now see what rational people have to put up with? This is the kind of sh#t I'm talking about.

I could write out a very thought out post, giving facts that you could easily find out yourself. In the end, all I would be met with is stuff like: "dat gull dum Obember is trying to take our gunz and freedomz! he hates them mines hes shuttin dem all down! Him and his liberal socialist communist agenda! Fox news told me so! day aint lying! Day never do!"

What's really frightening to me, is that some of you have a drivers license.
PoliticalPolice

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Being a coal miner is not a profession to be put down! These men and women work hard and risk their lives for their families everyday by going down under the ground and not knowing if they will get to see the sun again. Being a coal miner does not make them stupid, what's stupid is how close minded you and the fact that you think you are better. Coal provides jobs and electricity. Sure there are other ways to get electricity but guess what, coal has been around a very long time and has proven to be one of the best ways. Don't get me wrong, it's not Obama's fault for these massive lay offs, but I think you need to get your facts straight before you start putting down one of the most respected occupations in the region. If it wasn't for these "stupid uneducated mines" as you call it, then your a** would have been sitting in the dark a long time ago not using this computer to make yourself look like a complete idiot.
dur

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Jul 10, 2012
 
PoliticalPolice wrote:
Being a coal miner is not a profession to be put down!
I never put down coal miners doing their jobs. Care to point where I did?
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Coal provides jobs and electricity. Sure there are other ways to get electricity but guess what, coal has been around a very long time and has proven to be one of the best ways.
Been around a long time? Yes. One of the best ways to get power? Absolutely not. Quite the contrary, it's actually one of the worst.
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you need to get your facts straight before you start putting down one of the most respected occupations in the region.
Oh, so I need to get my facts right before I can criticize? Such as the fact we can't drink our own water? Or the fact that Appalachia (specifically eastern Kentucky) has the highest cancer rate in the nation due to coal? The fact we are sucking up a limited resource that takes millions of years to replenish? Or how about using humans as nothing more than machines that has one of the highest mortality rates of any profession?

How about the byproducts upon combustion it leaves? Or the irreversible damage to the adjoining environment? You love that acid rain don't you?
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If it wasn't for these "stupid uneducated mines" as you call it, then your a** would have been sitting in the dark a long time ago not using this computer to make yourself look like a complete idiot.
Can you tell me why you put "stupid uneducated mines" in quotation marks? I don't see that quote any where in this thread. Oh, that's right, because you can't deny any of the facts, so you are trying to use straw-man arguments. And no, I would not be in the dark.
PoliticalPolice

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dur wrote:
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This area has some mentality that coal miners are gods. You really need a fall back solution when looking for work. If your only plan was to mine coal in life and only go to high school, then I don't know what to tell you.
There's your proof of insult, and if Kentucky had the highest cancer rate because of coal, then shouldn't it be Wyoming, West Virgina, or Illinois instead? Because they are actually the top leaders in coal production. If you want to start with how coal wrecks the environment, then yea I will say it does. They do rebuild it back, but it takes a very long time for it to even come close to what it was before, however what about these new roads that are taking down mountains just to make a quicker way to get somewhere? What about where your house sits? Should we come harass you because you cut down trees for you house? Just face it, you are in coal region and if you don't like coal then you definitely need to move far far away. Maybe you would like New York because they don't have coal, but they have A LOT more air pollutants.
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Jul 10, 2012
 
PoliticalPolice wrote:
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There's your proof of insult.[/Quote]

That's not an insult. It's the truth. If my dream was to play in the NFL and do nothing else, it would be my own fault for not going to school and getting a degree for a fall back plan. For long time miners, yeah it sucks, but the new regulations have been in the works for two decades now. Ignorance is not an excuse.

As far as this pseudo fiend of coal garbage goes. I support any blue collar working man, but the coal industry? Hell no.

[QUOTE who="PoliticalPolice "]<quoted text>and if Kentucky had the highest cancer rate because of coal, then shouldn't it be Wyoming, West Virgina, or Illinois instead? Because they are actually the top leaders in coal production.[/Quote]

Wyoming exports. WV is 2nd in cancer rates. IL 16th, also due to exports. Five out of the top 10 list are all major mining and burning hubs.

[QUOTE who="PoliticalPolice "]<quoted text>If you want to start with how coal wrecks the environment, then yea I will say it does. They do rebuild it back, but it takes a very long time for it to even come close to what it was before, however what about these new roads that are taking down mountains just to make a quicker way to get somewhere?
That's the thing. It will never get back to what it was. Plant and animal life. Mountaintop removal is the worst possible thing you can do to an ecosystem. Companies sowing grass during the after math are only trying to score some good PR. What they are really doing, is putting lipstick on a dead pig that's been rotting for years.

Roads taking down mountains, that's an apples to oranges comparison. While I don't like it, it's still no where near as bad as what the coal companies have done.

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<quoted text>What about where your house sits? Should we come harass you because you cut down trees for you house?
Really? Do I really need to explain to you, how me cutting down tress on my own property does not put millions of lives in danger? Do I really need to explain to you, how me cutting down tress on my land will not wreck havoc on the land within a thousand mile radius?

Now you're just grasping at straws in this debate.
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<quoted text>Just face it, you are in coal region and if you don't like coal then you definitely need to move far far away. Maybe you would like New York because they don't have coal, but they have A LOT more air pollutants.
Oh good. This argument. Where have I heard it before? "IF U DUN LIKE AMEURICCA THEN U CAN GIT OUT!" Me leaving the area will not solve anything. New York is almost neck and neck with Kentucky on both particles and ozone days. Which is very impressive considering all the co2 emissions they have from traffic there.
I really know

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I just love these conversations. On one side, you have the illiterate people of Appalachia that nevere studied in school because they knew King Coal would take care of them. On the other side is the "tree-huggers" who want to completely do away with coal mining.

The truth is:(1) Good coal is running out. What I mean by good coal is coal that has a high enough BTU rating to burn in power plants.(2) Energy companies have found cheaper ways to produce electricity. The AEP power plant just past Louisa, KY is now getting close to 50% of its energy from natural gas. Think about it, once the gas wells have been drilled and the pipes laid, it costs relative nothing to move the gas.....just the royalities on the gas. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has all to do with the almighty dollar.

If I was a coal miner, I would be worried. I would be coming up with an alternate plan for supporting my family. It doesn't matter who you vote for in November. Coal is on the way out.
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coal miner wrote:
i am noy blaming the mines in any way i am blaming obama for his regulation on the mines men who have worked all their life in a coal mines know nothing else but mining it is to late for them to get an education for another job that is what i am saying.
Seriously, Obama does not control the economy. Pull your head out of your coal mine, and learn something about policy (not politics), and the way the national, and world economy works. All you people that blame everything from your baby's sniffles, to the world's financial crisis on Obama, really need to get out a history book. G.W.B. got us into this mess, and it's going to take a huge shovel to dig us out. Until the GOP decides to start doing what they are paid to do, and stop blocking policies that make sense for the greater good instead of simply opposing everything for the sake of being selfish asshats, then we're screwed.

meh
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I really know wrote:
If I was a coal miner, I would be worried. I would be coming up with an alternate plan for supporting my family. It doesn't matter who you vote for in November. Coal is on the way out.
^ Truth..
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Actually coal is stock pile there only buying so much he'll there's probley 300 hindered more years of coal but when oboma put the EPA in control of all of it they will not let anyone buy any of it so now we have to sell are coal to other country's omg wake up America almost everyone is brain washed I love my life I only have a GED I don't work in the mines I don't make a big lot but I'm happy so y take miner. Jobs just let it be and get the rest of the coal
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While governor for Mass. Romney stood in front of a coal fired power plant and told the crowd he would not support businesses that kill. He vowed to shut down the plant, which he did, and others like it. Those who think Romney will save coal jobs have their heads stuck in their hind ends. Neither candidate supports coal.
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Oct 2, 2012
 
That happen in 2003 people change I've changed from almost 9 years ago but what never trust a politician there all liars and oboma is the worse 1 I have seen yet
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So you want to say coal causes cancer right? I seen before people was saying that got news for you everyone everywhere gets cancer everyday. My husband, father, brother, uncle and cousin has worked in the mines 5,26, 8, 23, 16 years they are all heathly as can be. I'm proud of our miners and this other they have came out with the crap don't work why do you think coal is still around? And if just if the coal mines goes under guess what so will our towns. The stores will close and everything else with it the miners and there family's will have to move. Coal feeds my 3 kids and gives them everything they need so you wanna take coal away? You wanna take food from my kids and them go hungry? That's what will happen if the mines close it will happen to alot of family's. My husband when to school for 6 years and guess what he makes way more money now then he would ANYWHERE else that's why he went in the mines not because that all he knows. If they are going to take away coal they might as well take away my suv to because it's bad so they say. And it don't matter how much we get on here and fight about it coal will be here or it won't it has nothing to do with the tree huggers you all can do whatever you want have your gay signs on your cars it don't matter !!! Oh and by the way to the person who said miners and stupid and should of went to school I say your someone who just sits on your fatt butt get stamps and a check!!!

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